The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

I'm more upset that Beane didn't trade up to get BTJ. Given that we spent a 2025 third on Cooper (who likely won't be back and if he does come back, he won't be an impact player) we probably didn't have to add too much more to get to around 20 in the draft (he was taken 23rd overall). Maybe last year's third or fourth? Given that we took a backup in DeWayne Carter in the third last year, that isn't much to lose.

BTJ had traits — speed and size — and college production (1177 yards in his last year) so he would've been a number one WR for the rest of Josh's prime. That burns me.

 

Lots of people here, including myself, thought he was a good plan. Maybe Beane tried and failed but looking at who we picked he should've tried harder.

 

I think Beane takes more slack than he should on drafting, in fact, I would argue he has been one of the better GMs in the league, and the stats support that.  

 

However, I thought for sure BTJ would be our guy if he got to 20 last year or lower.  Now, I don't know that Beane didn't try, I mean he could have and gotten rebuffed.  But, I don't think he did because in all his talk before the draft, during the draft, and after the draft it seemed pretty clear they entered that draft with the mindset to pick at 28 or trade back, with trading back probably the preferred choice given who they expected to be on the board and for the purpose or recouping the 3rd rounder we used on Rasul.  And Beane said as much in terms of wanting to get that 3rd back.  

 

And look, I get it, it was a major turnover year getting rid of a lot of age while we had $31M in dead cap alone from Diggs.  Trying to get as many picks as he can while trying to restock with youth isn't necessarily a wrong choice.  And it was considered a deep draft at WR, so also get that.  However, I do feel like BTJ was almost as good as the top 3 who all went top 10.   He was right there, and I feel like getting him when he got that close should have trumped getting another late 3rd.  

 

Again, he could have called and got rebuffed...we may never know unless he publicly says he didn't attempt to move up or did.  But, I don't think he did to be honest, and I do think not trying was a mistake because BTJ was just too good a prospect.  I had BTJ and Ladd as the 4 and 5 guys in the draft at WR, but Ladd didn't make a lot of sense in terms of type we needed heading into the draft, so for me BTJ was a no brainer.  I felt the same way when DK was in the draft too, like he should be our guy in the first...then in the 2nd...then in a trade up when he was still on the board.  

 

So for me, if he really didn't try to get BTJ in a draft where we lost Diggs and Davis, then I think I can mark that one down as a mistake in my book by Beane even though I really do think Beane is a great GM.  

[Nephilim17]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So for me, if he really didn't try to get BTJ in a draft where we lost Diggs and Davis, then I think I can mark that one down as a mistake in my book by Beane even though I really do think Beane is a great GM.  

The fact that he had to trade mid-year for Cooper is an admission the WR room was not good enough. That was a big mistake to me, not getting a true outside guy in the draft.

[JerseyBills]

32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think Beane takes more slack than he should on drafting, in fact, I would argue he has been one of the better GMs in the league, and the stats support that.  

 

However, I thought for sure BTJ would be our guy if he got to 20 last year or lower.  Now, I don't know that Beane didn't try, I mean he could have and gotten rebuffed.  But, I don't think he did because in all his talk before the draft, during the draft, and after the draft it seemed pretty clear they entered that draft with the mindset to pick at 28 or trade back, with trading back probably the preferred choice given who they expected to be on the board and for the purpose or recouping the 3rd rounder we used on Rasul.  And Beane said as much in terms of wanting to get that 3rd back.  

 

And look, I get it, it was a major turnover year getting rid of a lot of age while we had $31M in dead cap alone from Diggs.  Trying to get as many picks as he can while trying to restock with youth isn't necessarily a wrong choice.  And it was considered a deep draft at WR, so also get that.  However, I do feel like BTJ was almost as good as the top 3 who all went top 10.   He was right there, and I feel like getting him when he got that close should have trumped getting another late 3rd.  

 

Again, he could have called and got rebuffed...we may never know unless he publicly says he didn't attempt to move up or did.  But, I don't think he did to be honest, and I do think not trying was a mistake because BTJ was just too good a prospect.  I had BTJ and Ladd as the 4 and 5 guys in the draft at WR, but Ladd didn't make a lot of sense in terms of type we needed heading into the draft, so for me BTJ was a no brainer.  I felt the same way when DK was in the draft too, like he should be our guy in the first...then in the 2nd...then in a trade up when he was still on the board.  

 

So for me, if he really didn't try to get BTJ in a draft where we lost Diggs and Davis, then I think I can mark that one down as a mistake in my book by Beane even though I really do think Beane is a great GM.  

Agreed, he takes more slack than he should but BTJ was a big time miss 

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

The fact that he had to trade mid-year for Cooper is an admission the WR room was not good enough. That was a big mistake to me, not getting a true outside guy in the draft.

 

I mean no disprespect...but...This statement that keeps getting repeated needs to stop, its kind of ridiculous to be honest.  At no point was our WR room ever considered done, complete, good enough, or whatever else someone wants to infer Beane thought of it.  

1. We only had 1...just 1...WR on the roster that could play after Diggs and Davis departure.
2. Diggs trade cost us $31M in dead cap.
3. Our cap was already tight.
4. It was a mini transition year moving on from age and bloated contracts to get our cap healthier and our roster younger going into this season and beyond.

For anyone to even imply Beane felt the WR room entering the season was done, good enough, etc is just silly.  He put together some low cost vets, drafted a guy, and went into the season hoping that both Shakir and Kincaid, their young holdovers, would also continue to develop.  And why...because we didn't have the cap space to be aggressive for a high priced vet, and we also had a lot of roster turnover of some key positions and needed to stock pile draft picks to try and get some new starters and some new depth at various positions.

 

So no, its not at all accurate to label the Cooper trade as some admission of anything.  Beane is always looking to help this team, and at the beginning of the season we couldn't afford a Cooper, nor was he available.  He wasn't even available when we initially inquired as Browns first rebuffed our interest.  Beane saw a team who could contend and a player that could help us now that was cheap and on his last year of his deal, so he didn't hurt the cap this past year and wouldn't be a cap issue this offseason.  

 

All this other noise that people label the trade is just rubbish...it wasn't an admission Keon was a mistake either (as others label the move)...it wasn't an admission of anything.  It was Beane being aggressive as a GM and seeing a move he could make in season that upped our chances to compete that didn't thwart our future plans.  He was ALWAYS going to keep adding to the WR room after we signed and drafted the guys we did.  

 

Now can we say it was a mistake to not go get BTJ...well if he didn't attempt to, I would say yes given his fit for what we needed and the fact he was almost as good a prospect as the big 3 who all went top 10.  But...we also do NOT know if he attempted to or not, so its kind of hard to even hold that against him without knowing if he tried or not.  Although I think he was looking to move down, not up, so I do think its more likely a missed opportunity.

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

7 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

So now you are implying that Keon is a future criminal? That's not funny at all.

Keon Coleman is so slow that he might die before he commits any crimes and is remembered as a beloved Hall of Famer. There, are you happy now?

[Pete]

It keeps looking worse for the Chefs.  They sure could of used that third round pick on some offensive lineman lol

[Nephilim17]

30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I mean no disprespect...but...This statement that keeps getting repeated needs to stop, its kind of ridiculous to be honest.  At no point was our WR room ever considered done, complete, good enough, or whatever else someone wants to infer Beane thought of it.  

1.  

My point is it could have and should have been done by taking a real outside WR in the first last offseason.

Beane had the 1) need, 2) draft capital and C) the opportunity last year to get true outside WR. And now one year later we're still talking about trading for, taking in FA (with a potentially higher cap hit than a rookie from last year's class) or drafting an outside.

And Josh is another year older. 

I like a lot of Beane's moves but not his WR moves or lack thereof, in general. I'll leave it at that hope we get a real outside guy this year.

Edited 14 hours ago by Nephilim17

[EasternOHBillsFan]

39 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Keon Coleman is so slow that he might die before he commits any crimes and is remembered as a beloved Hall of Famer. There, are you happy now?

 

Yes I am

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 2/9/2025 at 10:26 PM, JBI$111 said:

Yes, didn't want Coleman and Worthy was there for the taking, yet another dumb move & mistake by McDermott and Beane. We need speed and separation at wide receiver, not more receivers that can't separate just because they're tall. We have criminally under invested in quality wide receivers for Josh since he's been here, with the exception of Diggs.

This aged like Milk. 

[Alphadawg7]

45 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

My point is it could have and should have been done by taking a real outside WR in the first last offseason.

Beane had the 1) need, 2) draft capital and C) the opportunity last year to get true outside WR. And now one year later we're still talking about trading for, taking in FA (with a potentially higher cap hit than a rookie from last year's class) or drafting an outside.

And Josh is another year older. 

I like a lot of Beane's moves but not his WR moves or lack thereof, in general. I'll leave it at that hope we get a real outside guy this year.

 

I do agree with you that the target should have been BTJ...but outside of him, there really wasn't a player like him remaining on the board.  And lets keep in mind, despite missing time, Keon still put up over 500 yards and averaged like 20 ypc as a rookie.  Imagine what Keon can be if there is another guy on the field making his job easier.  

 

So all I was trying to say, and again meant no disrespect by it, but this notion that Cooper was some "admission" (and a lot of people use that term, so its more to TSW as a whole than just you) midseason is just not at all reflective to what was really going on.  Can't expect to replace 4 WR's in one offseason when you are cap strapped and fielding $31M to the position in dead cap already.  But when Beane saw the chance midseason to add to the group and not kill our cap then or now, he pulled the trigger.  People should be looking at that as a positive, not a negative as if he is admitting he screwed something up (which it also wasnt).  We should want a GM who is managing the cap in a way to keep us being a contender year after year and keeping young talent coming in while still aggressive at making moves to try and get us over the top when the opportunities are there midseason too.  

 

It was always going to be a multi year rebuild at that position given the amount of turnover in one offseason and our cap situation.  I mean who was taken after Keon that resembles anything close to BTJ?  So the only move was to trade up for BTJ...nothing else was there to be done.  And we may have tried, we may not have tried, we don't really know.  

 

But make no mistake about it...I do think it is a mistake if we didn't try given I felt BTJ was worth the move heading into the draft, and actually expected it.  But, again, maybe we did...there is no info confirming either way, but I do suspect we didn't.   

[QCity]

Chiefs’ Xavier Worthy cleared of charges in Texas

 

...all that wasted schadenfreude

[Nephilim17]

47 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

But make no mistake about it...I do think it is a mistake if we didn't try given I felt BTJ was worth the move heading into the draft, and actually expected it.  But, again, maybe we did...there is no info confirming either way, but I do suspect we didn't.   

Let's end close this discussion agreeing on this and hopefully Beane gets a vertical threat before the season starts. 🍻

 

[GETTOTHE50]

50 minutes ago, QCity said:

Chiefs’ Xavier Worthy cleared of charges in Texas

 

...all that wasted schadenfreude

Oj and ray lewis got away with murder. The justice system is a joke in this country. It’s so bad that we value the court of public opinion more. In which case, this guy is a sack of *****

[nedboy7]

He will always be guilty in my eyes. Then I can move on from the trade. 

25 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Oj and ray lewis got away with murder. The justice system is a joke in this country. It’s so bad that we value the court of public opinion more. In which case, this guy is a sack of *****

We doing pretty good compared to the rest of the world. 

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

He will always be guilty in my eyes. Then I can move on from the trade. 

We doing pretty good compared to the rest of the world. 

I don't care about the off field stuff. If he wins a Super Bowl or is a dominant WR then it's still a bad trade. 

[zow2]

That choking idiot still played a part in keeping us out of the Super Bowl, which is annoying.  At least they didn’t win it 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

Let's end close this discussion agreeing on this and hopefully Beane gets a vertical threat before the season starts. 🍻

 

Coolio…good chat and I’m confident we are adding a vertical threat somewhere (FA, Trade, or Draft)

 

Cheers and GoBills!

Edited 11 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Pete]

9 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

This aged like Milk. 

Aged Milk makes delicious cheese.  So yes, we have neglected the WR position for years 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

31 minutes ago, Pete said:

Aged Milk makes delicious cheese.  So yes, we have neglected the WR position for years 

It’s an expression !