Superbowl Game Thread - Chiefs vs Eagles

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm not so sure of this. He is getting older and seemingly slower. 

 

He is indeed, and it shows in his stats - not just total catches and yards, but Y per touch, Y per game.

 

But he is still Mahomes most trusted outlet and "guy" when he needs a 1st down, and he's almost as bad as Gronkowski was for pushing off and getting away with it to lose coverage when he changes direction.

 

So even though he's gonna be 36 and he's definitely slower, he would still be a loss the Chiefs may not have replaced - remains to be seen whether Noah Grey can take a step and fill Kelce's shoes rather than catching passes when the attention goes to Kelce.

[Malazan]

17 hours ago, BRH said:

I’d like to check in on ChiefsPlanet right about now….

It is what you expect.. they want players to kill themselves, etc etc

[DapperCam]

3 hours ago, Success said:

I can't recall seeing a top tier QB play as bad as Mahomes did in that 1st half in a SB or even a playoff game.

 

He really looked pathetic.  

 

Manning vs the Seahawks looked similarly bad (even similar stats, turnovers and a pick 6).

[harmonkillebrew]

18 hours ago, High Mark said:

Also better coverage.  You need tight initial coverage to allow your pressure to get home. 

That's also where I think Fangio just outcoaches Babbich.

Knows how to break coverage tendencies and show different looks to confuse Mahomes on those initial reads.

With Mahomes, once you get him skittish he loses discipline. At least he did this game. had no trust in his protection

[WideNine]

16 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I hate the DL rotation but I think you’re starting to see that wane given how much Oliver and Rosseau were playing last season.  The problem is they just continually miss at finding those “dawgs” so it’s back to cheap veterans and draft picks who never develop.  

It helps when the receivers like Diggs or Kincaid actually make catches when you need them to

That's why I really enjoyed watching T. Johnson running routes out of the backfield.

 

The dude has wheels and hands...like that low throw Allen threw in the EZ that he dug out 4 inches from the carpet while contorting his body to keep in bounds.

 

Two parts to that equation, having receivers that can run to the spot and Allen throwing with enough touch and arch to meet them in that spot.

 

I think this was one of the better years for Allen hitting shallow targets in stride and that was bourne out in RAC metrics, however it was not reflected on deeper throws.

 

Usually a lot of factors, but needs to improve on deeper throws taking advantage of the single high looks we were getting with the success we had pounding the ball in the ground.

 

 

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

He is indeed, and it shows in his stats - not just total catches and yards, but Y per touch, Y per game.

 

But he is still Mahomes most trusted outlet and "guy" when he needs a 1st down, and he's almost as bad as Gronkowski was for pushing off and getting away with it to lose coverage when he changes direction.

 

So even though he's gonna be 36 and he's definitely slower, he would still be a loss the Chiefs may not have replaced - remains to be seen whether Noah Grey can take a step and fill Kelce's shoes rather than catching passes when the attention goes to Kelce.

 

That and guys are sticking to him like glue and not peeling off to defend Mahomes scrambles.

 

Thought the Eagles did a good job with their cage rush with the 4 guys up front.

 

Mahomes got free a few times to move the chains, but was not enough of a factor to change the game.

 

 

[JohnNord]

42 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

That's also where I think Fangio just outcoaches Babbich.

Knows how to break coverage tendencies and show different looks to confuse Mahomes on those initial reads.

With Mahomes, once you get him skittish he loses discipline. At least he did this game. had no trust in his protection

The reason Mahomes was skittish was because there were 4 monsters pressuring him and an athletic secondary who could cover with 7.   There was no confusion

[WideNine]

6 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:

That's also where I think Fangio just outcoaches Babbich.

Knows how to break coverage tendencies and show different looks to confuse Mahomes on those initial reads.

With Mahomes, once you get him skittish he loses discipline. At least he did this game. had no trust in his protection

 

Another thing I noticed on the Eagles OC side was that they did a much better job mixing up the cadence which several times tipped Philly to the blitzes that Spags was dialing up so they were able to adjust protections and hot reads.

 

They would use a longer cadence and several times could get KC to jump early with their blitz defenders.

 

We were terribly predictable with our cadence and snap counts...I assume some of that was due to playing in Arrowhead and taking the best of the worse options...false starts vs predictive cadence on our snap counts.

 

Either way, it allowed KC to get to Allen more often and impact throws with simulated and actual pressures.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by WideNine

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

He is indeed, and it shows in his stats - not just total catches and yards, but Y per touch, Y per game.

 

But he is still Mahomes most trusted outlet and "guy" when he needs a 1st down, and he's almost as bad as Gronkowski was for pushing off and getting away with it to lose coverage when he changes direction.

 

So even though he's gonna be 36 and he's definitely slower, he would still be a loss the Chiefs may not have replaced - remains to be seen whether Noah Grey can take a step and fill Kelce's shoes rather than catching passes when the attention goes to Kelce.

I don't disagree.

 

The thing is, Father Time always wins in the end. Next season he won't be any faster, and injuries will not heal sooner. I don't know what his salary is but if he is not involved with Taylor Swift when next season starts, it might not even be a good investment for the Chiefs to keep him on the roster. If he is, different story. 

 

Btw I'm not making any definitive predictions here, just throwing thoughts around. 

[harmonkillebrew]

41 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The reason Mahomes was skittish was because there were 4 monsters pressuring him and an athletic secondary who could cover with 7.   There was no confusion

And he couldn't hit his hot reads. Mahomes is not naturally skittish, but the Eagles had a plan to pressure him with their insane front 4 and press cover with great DBs. Mahomes knew he had 1.5 sec to get the ball out, but he couldn't do it.  Masterful combo of talent (Dline and CB) and coaching.

[muppy]

11 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

And he couldn't hit his hot reads. Mahomes is not naturally skittish, but the Eagles had a plan to pressure him with their insane front 4 and press cover with great DBs. Mahomes knew he had 1.5 sec to get the ball out, but he couldn't do it.  Masterful combo of talent (Dline and CB) and coaching.

the man is indeed flesh and blood. Not only did patty not have any time under relentless pressure to be his best. But  he took a lot of hits and punishment. More than he is used to.  In my view the physical pounding affected the mental processing too.   He was not having a good day at the office.

 

I wonder why lol

 

that was sarcasm. I know why and so do you all. It was obvious even to football challenged fans like me to figure out

Edited 9 hours ago by muppy

[Beck Water]

56 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I don't disagree.

 

The thing is, Father Time always wins in the end. Next season he won't be any faster, and injuries will not heal sooner. I don't know what his salary is but if he is not involved with Taylor Swift when next season starts, it might not even be a good investment for the Chiefs to keep him on the roster. If he is, different story. 

 

Btw I'm not making any definitive predictions here, just throwing thoughts around. 

 

Chiefs can move on for practically nothing in football player terms ($2.55M) before the 3rd day of the new league year.  After 3/14/2025 they owe him a $11.5M roster bonus.

I'm not exactly sure I'm understanding your suggestion - are you suggesting the Chiefs drive their decision on whether or not to roster Travis Kelce based on whether Taylor Swift remains his girlfriend?   I don't think that's practical for them if so - they got to make up their mind whether or not to pay him that big 'ol roster bonus mid-March, and Taylor could still be writing one of her famous breakup songs in August for all they know.

 

In any case, slowing or not, Kelce was still the Chiefs top receiver for the 3rd year in a row.  Rashee Rice, if there is justice, will be getting hit with some legal consequences and big 'ol fat NFL suspension.  So Swift or no Swift, the Chiefs may decide they can't get better by moving on just yet.

 

 

[HappyDays]

Part of me wonders if this loss will leak into KC's season next year. I've been leading the brigade on how different they are and how the usual rules don't apply to them, but that mystique around them has faltered somewhat since getting their asses kicked and I imagine even the players can't help but feel some of that themselves. Not that I expect them to drop off a cliff or anything like that, but I'm not sure another casual road to the #1 seed is going to happen. Last time they got shellacked in the Super Bowl, Mahomes spent much of the next season in a big slump and ultimately choked in the AFCCG against Cincy. 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said:

And he couldn't hit his hot reads. Mahomes is not naturally skittish, but the Eagles had a plan to pressure him with their insane front 4 and press cover with great DBs. Mahomes knew he had 1.5 sec to get the ball out, but he couldn't do it.  Masterful combo of talent (Dline and CB) and coaching.

Sure I just feel like a lot of fans here are underselling the talent on Philly’s defense and overstating the talent on Buffalo and instead pretending like it’s all on coaching.  Philly is stronger on all 11 positions on defense 

[FireChans]

24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Part of me wonders if this loss will leak into KC's season next year. I've been leading the brigade on how different they are and how the usual rules don't apply to them, but that mystique around them has faltered somewhat since getting their asses kicked and I imagine even the players can't help but feel some of that themselves. Not that I expect them to drop off a cliff or anything like that, but I'm not sure another casual road to the #1 seed is going to happen. Last time they got shellacked in the Super Bowl, Mahomes spent much of the next season in a big slump and ultimately choked in the AFCCG against Cincy. 

I think their mystique is broken a bit for sure.

 

Remember that stupid story of Kelce telling the punt returner to be great lol. 
 

God I’m so glad they got their ass kicked.

[BuffaloBaumer]

The only missing piece to my final therapy session is if anyone has clips of Nick Wright making some excuses

[Success]

38 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Part of me wonders if this loss will leak into KC's season next year. I've been leading the brigade on how different they are and how the usual rules don't apply to them, but that mystique around them has faltered somewhat since getting their asses kicked and I imagine even the players can't help but feel some of that themselves. Not that I expect them to drop off a cliff or anything like that, but I'm not sure another casual road to the #1 seed is going to happen. Last time they got shellacked in the Super Bowl, Mahomes spent much of the next season in a big slump and ultimately choked in the AFCCG against Cincy. 

 

I think the psychology of invincibility surrounding them played a big part of our last game, especially since we had already lost to them 3x in the playoffs.

 

I think the whole world was kind of like, 'oh - we can actually beat this guy & this team' last night.  I think it could have some longer-term effects, and with their division getting tougher, maybe it's the start of a new era.  Hopefully our era.

 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I think the psychology of invincibility surrounding them played a big part of our last game, especially since we had already lost to them 3x in the playoffs.

 

I think the whole world was kind of like, 'oh - we can actually beat this guy & this team' last night.  I think it could have some longer-term effects, and with their division getting tougher, maybe it's the start of a new era.  Hopefully our era.

 

 

I'm not ready to say the Bills themselves have gotten over their own mental hurdle against the Chiefs. But hopefully this loss will at least propel them to a lower seed. Us getting the #1 seed would be huge as far as getting over the hump.

[BRH]

 

[L Ron Burgundy]

5 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The reason Mahomes was skittish was because there were 4 monsters pressuring him and an athletic secondary who could cover with 7.   There was no confusion

I dont know, there were some uncharacteristically poorly thrown balls.  

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, BRH said:

 

It was an absolute replay of that game except the Eagles let the Chiefs get some garbage time points.