Should the Bills go all in this off-season?

[GASabresIUFan]

We have been dancing around this subject with threads on veteran wide outs (Kupp, Samuel) and veteran edge rushers (Garrett, Crosby).  So I ask the somewhat un-spoken question, should Beane and the Bills go all in this off-season?

 

A few reasons why the Bills should go all in. 

1) Josh is due a huge raise and a new contract.

2) All the star kids have only one more year on their deals expect Torrence.  Benford, Bernard, Shakir, Cook and Groot all need new deals after this coming season

3) Some of our best players are at or nearing 30.  Allen, Knox & Taron Johnson will be 29 next season.  Dawkins and Milano will be 31.  While Allen, Knox and Dawkins should continue to play at a high level, at some point .......  Better to win now.

4) We have a nearly complete roster with nearly all starters and key depth players under contract.

5) We have the ammo to add the talent we need including 10+ draft picks (including 3 premium picks) and the ability to open $40 mill in cap space.

 

 

[SirAndrew]

Just having Josh Allen is being all in. They need to draft better, and look at potentially changing some philosophies before throwing money at a Super Bowl ring. Outside of the QB position, spending big money has yet to really win a title for anyone. Champions are built, not purchased in the NFL. 

[The Frankish Reich]

I feel like we've been all-in every since we traded for Diggs and followed it up with Von. Not sure how much more all-in we can get.

[GASabresIUFan]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I feel like we've been all-in every since we traded for Diggs and followed it up with Von. Not sure how much more all-in we can get.

How about getting a receiver who can get separation and a game wrecking DE?  How about getting a veteran corner to bookend with Benford?

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

How about getting a receiver who can get separation

Last time we called him Diggs.

3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

and a game wrecking DE

Last time he answered to Von.

4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

How about getting a veteran corner to bookend with Benford

Worth a try, since Rasul Douglas doesn't really count.

[Steptide]

Yes, they need to go all in. Our d line draft picks have been a huge dissapointment. They need some game changers on defense and also need a true number 1 receiver, and then probably another solid receiver. Also, been saying it since we lost to kc, but they should hire an experienced DC. Someone that hasent been in the building the last 3 or 4 years. Although at this point, it's probably not possible. Whatever they've been doing the last 4 or 5 years obviously isn't working. It's only been good enough to get us to the divisional round (generally) 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Yes, they need to go all in. Our d line draft picks have been a huge dissapointment. They need some game changers on defense and also need a true number 1 receiver, and then probably another solid receiver. Also, been saying it since we lost to kc, but they should hire an experienced DC. Someone that hasent been in the building the last 3 or 4 years. Although at this point, it's probably not possible. Whatever they've been doing the last 4 or 5 years obviously isn't working. It's only been good enough to get us to the divisional round (generally) 

I suppose you could start trading away draft picks willy-nilly to go "all in" for 2025, but what you get back for those draft picks is usually a veteran player with a big salary. Which only makes you move on from some other good established player.

I guess I'd be willing to trade multiple picks to move up in the draft to get a true playmaker at a rookie salary, but we haven't gone that route since Josh.

[GASabresIUFan]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

Last time we called him Diggs.

Last time he answered to Von.

Worth a try, since Rasul Douglas doesn't really count.

So close, but no.  You are right that Beane has tried to go all in before and it didn't work.  Miller got hurt along with Milano and Tre White and there went the opportunity, but I'd almost argue that the Bills are in a better position to try again.  We have better depth on the team and a better O Line to protect Josh.  Josh is a much more mature player and is willing to utilize his other weapons.  We also don't have any prima donna receivers who sulk went they don't get the ball.  Garrett, unlike Vonn, is still in his prime and there is a decent CB FA class.

[Steptide]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I suppose you could start trading away draft picks willy-nilly to go "all in" for 2025, but what you get back for those draft picks is usually a veteran player with a big salary. Which only makes you move on from some other good established player.

I guess I'd be willing to trade multiple picks to move up in the draft to get a true playmaker at a rookie salary, but we haven't gone that route since Josh.

Right, and it's not working. I mean, if our defensive draft picks would've lived up to where they were drafted, maybe I'd feel different, but oliver, epenesa, elam, rossou (to some degree) have all been dissapointing. None of them have been difference makers. Von has been ok, but the last 2 seasons has gave us nothing, nowhere near what they paid for him. I give beane credit for getting some guys in late rounds (Milano, benford etc) but we need more. Just not sure I'm ready to draft and "develop" more defensive guys to be in the same position 3 years from now

[TheBeaneBandit]

25 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I feel like we've been all-in every since we traded for Diggs and followed it up with Von. Not sure how much more all-in we can get.

Those guys weren't really top tier though. Diggs never was as good as he thought he was and Von only because of his age.

[billsfan714]

I dont think our roster is complete and key depth players under contract.  Our secondary is weak and thin, our WRs are thin.   Our DL is not a strength by any measure.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Normally I’d respond with a resounding NO, but I’d give up a lot to get Myles Garrett.  He’s the type of player that could put this team over the top.  No need to make any big moves for the offense, IMO.

[klos63]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Last time we called him Diggs.

Last time he answered to Von.

Worth a try, since Rasul Douglas doesn't really count.

Diggs was great.

Von was great until he tore his ACL

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I feel like we've been all-in every since we traded for Diggs and followed it up with Von. Not sure how much more all-in we can get.

 

Can someone show me how often going "all-in" pays off?

[K D]

Trade for Myles Garrett and add Hollywood Brown on a 1 year prove it deal

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Can someone show me how often going "all-in" pays off?

Often enough to make it attractive

 

Worked for the Rams

And the Broncos w Manning

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I feel like we've been all-in every since we traded for Diggs and followed it up with Von. Not sure how much more all-in we can get.

 

The Von signing came a year too late. Beane didn’t want to give up the 2nd round pick that the Rams did, so we got him a year late, and the Rams won the Super Bowl instead of us.

 

I am convinced we win that Super Bowl if Beane pulled the trigger for Von. We needed just ONE stop in the 13 seconds game. I think Von gives us that one step. He was still elite at that time. Instead he got those stops for the Rams.

 

That’s my long-winded way of saying - that’s not “all in” in my opinion. That’s doing things a year late.

 

I haven’t felt that we were all-in since the Diggs trade, which is now half a decade ago.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Einstein

[ProcessTruster]

I'm not one for the shiny FA toys, but Myles Garrett has my attention.   

Edited 15 hours ago by ProcessTruster

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

Just having Josh Allen is being all in.

Well, all in hasn’t been very successful, then. 

[klos63]

51 minutes ago, K D said:

Trade for Myles Garrett and add Hollywood Brown on a 1 year prove it deal

Brown doesn't need to sign a one year deal. He'll get a multi year contract.