Why Tom Brady was the GOAT

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Andy Reid just got out coached all night lol

 

Bernie kosar isn't even Alex Smith level .. Reid got 27-year-old Alex Smith not 21-year-old Smith

 

Bill belichick game plan stopped the bills greatest offense in NFL history.. and the greatest show on turf 

 

And he never got his ass kicked in the super bowl ... Belichick coached in 9 super bowls as a head coach... Never lost by more than eight 

 

Andy Reid just got out game planned out coached and whooped like belichick never did in a super bowl

 

If the bills just got their ass whooped this bad in the super bowl.. the McDermott hating would be unreal rn

 

The Eagles coaching was incredible. They knew exactly what the Chiefs wanted to do and took it away on both offense and defense.

 

What is telling though, is the Eagles gameplan to beat the Chiefs was the absolute opposite of what we ran two weeks ago.

 

I loved how Philly played press man all game. They made KC’s slow and old WR’s have to fight from the second they got off the snap. And it worked great. Last week we were playing our DB’s 7-10 yards off the LOS.

 

This took away the quick passing game and made Mahomes hold the ball and allowed Philly’s d-line to go wild

 

They basically saw what the Bills did and said “let’s do the exact opposite”.

[Mikie2times]

6 hours ago, Low Positive said:

He does need to get better at that, but he'll never be as good at it as Joe Burrow or Tom Brady. I don't know where Brady go that, but Joe Burrow's dad was the DC for Ohio University. He was reading coverages and diagnosing blitzes from his high chair whilst throwing cheerios. 

I think it’s also more difficult for a guy as athletic as Josh to be at that level pre snap. Brady didn’t have an ounce of athleticism. Burrow isn’t winning with it. If your limitations force that development it becomes more likely l to grow in that area.
 

We could see Josh grow a lot more here as his physical skills decline. He’s already grown a lot with it comparable to his earlier years. But I think the real growth will come when he just can’t depend on Superman showing up. He’s got the smarts. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

I think it’s also more difficult for a guy as athletic as Josh to be at that level pre snap. Brady didn’t have an ounce of athleticism. Burrow isn’t winning with it. If your limitations force that development or you fail then those with the predisposition become more likely to develop it. We could see Josh grow a lot more here as his physical skills decline. He’s already grown a lot with it comparable to his earlier years. But I think the real growth will

come when he just can’t depend on Superman showing up. He’s got the smarts. 

Tom Brady may not have been Josh Allen but to say he didn't have an ounce of athleticism is bull crap 

 

The dude was an MLB draft pick.. out of high school 

 

Do you know how insane of a baseball player you have to be to get drafted out of high school? An insane athlete 

 

Athlete just doesn't mean 230 lb shredded muscle running a 4.3 40... Because sumo wrestlers are also athletes and they don't look it 

 

Tom Brady was an insane athlete to get drafted to two professional sports League

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Tom Brady may not have been Josh Allen but to say he didn't have an ounce of athleticism is bull crap 

 

The dude was an MLB draft pick.. out of high school 

 

Do you know how insane of a baseball player you have to be to get drafted out of high school? An insane athlete 

 

Athlete just doesn't mean 230 lb shredded muscle running a 4.3 40... Because sumo wrestlers are also athletes and they don't look it 

 

Tom Brady was an insane athlete to get drafted to two professional sports League

By all means, let me know how is baseball athleticism transferred to the NFL where things like running and jumping (how most athletes are measured) actually matter. 
 

 

[KeLLy1278]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Tom Brady may not have been Josh Allen but to say he didn't have an ounce of athleticism is bull crap 

 

The dude was an MLB draft pick.. out of high school 

 

Do you know how insane of a baseball player you have to be to get drafted out of high school? An insane athlete 

 

Athlete just doesn't mean 230 lb shredded muscle running a 4.3 40... Because sumo wrestlers are also athletes and they don't look it 

 

Tom Brady was an insane athlete to get drafted to two professional sports League

Greatest to ever do it. We have never seen a QB dominate a league for that length of time, and we probably never will. Did I hate him for beating up on Buffalo time and time again? Yes.. but that’s what the great ones do. No mercy.  If I’m Josh Allen, I try to get Tom’s number and pick his brain at every opportunity. Bug him, nag him… become his little brother or some sh!t… lol 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

By all means, let me know how is baseball athleticism transferred to the NFL where things like running and jumping (how most athletes are measured) actually matter. 
 

 

Athleticism is athleticism.. track athletes are great athletes.. wrestlers are great athletes... Baseball players are great athletes.. it's 100% harder to hit a major league fastball or curveball than it is the cover Randy Moss as a corner 

 

Ask deion Sanders who did both.. ask Bo Jackson if it's harder to hit a major league curve or hit the a gap.. running the footballs easier 

 

It's a different type of athleticism but to say baseball doesn't take athleticism or Tom Brady doesn't have it is asinine.. this past year 65 high School baseball players were drafted to the MLB 

 

550 from college 

 

To be one of the top 65 high school players you have to be on a world-class level of everything in baseball.. the skill, the technique, and the work ethic and athleticism 

 

Again athleticism doesn't equal 4.44 forty..  because athleticism comes in all weight shapes sizes and skills that's a fact 

 

But you said he didn't have an ounce of athleticism... he had enough athleticism to be one of only 4 high School catchers drafted in the country when he was

 

43,000 high school starting catchers.. he was one of the best four that's insane skill talent athleticism work ethic

Edited 18 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Mikie2times]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Athleticism is athleticism.. track athletes are great athletes.. wrestlers are great athletes... Baseball players are great athletes.. it's 100% harder to hit a major league fastball or curveball than it is the cover Randy Moss as a corner 

 

Ask deion Sanders who did both.. ask Bo Jackson if it's harder to hit a major league curve or hit the a gap.. running the footballs easier 

 

It's a different type of athleticism but to say baseball doesn't take athleticism or Tom Brady doesn't have it is asinine.. this past year 65 high School baseball players were drafted to the MLB 

 

550 from college 

 

To be one of the top 65 high school players you have to be on a world-class level of everything in baseball.. the skill, the technique, and the work ethic and athleticism 

 

Again athleticism doesn't equal 4.44 forty..  because athleticism comes in all weight shapes sizes and skills that's a fact 

 

But you said he didn't have an ounce of athleticism... he had enough athleticism to be one of only 4 high School catchers drafted in the country when he was

 

43,000 high school starting catchers.. he was one of the best four that's insane skill talent athleticism work ethic

Brady has no athleticism that is transferable to football. He had one of the worst physical combines in his class. 
 

So maybe you can forgive me, but this is a football Message board no? And as I asked, and you clearly showed, none of that Bartolo Colon raw athlete transferred to the gridiron. At lease a sumo wrestler has short term quickness and strength. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Brady has no athleticism that is transferable to football. He had one of the worst physical combines in his class. 
 

So maybe you can forgive me, but this is a football Message board no? And as I asked, and you clearly showed, none of that Bartolo Colon raw athlete transferred to the gridiron. At lease a sumo wrestler has short term quickness and strength. 

Rob Johnson was an elite collegiate bowler.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Brady has no athleticism that is transferable to football. He had one of the worst physical combines in his class. 
 

So maybe you can forgive me, but this is a football Message board no? And as I asked, and you clearly showed, none of that Bartolo Colon raw athlete transferred to the gridiron. At lease a sumo wrestler has short term quickness and strength. 

Tom Brady moved better than Patrick mahomes inside the pocket 

 

His ability to move in a short area was really good in his peak... He probably threw some fast balls to gronk 70 mph 

 

Again you're just equating athleticism to just speed or in arbitrary combine stat 

 

But there's a lot of kinds of athleticism that transfer over to a football field including the stuff Tom Brady could do inside the pocket

[tigerthelion]

10 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

For all of that,he was still brilliant.  And he is discussing how he tore apart the Chiefs Defense.  You know, like we need Allen to do.

Allen has torn apart the KC defense quite a bit.  What he never had was a defense that held KC to under ten points.  

[Billsatlastin2018]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

The Eagles coaching was incredible. They knew exactly what the Chiefs wanted to do and took it away on both offense and defense.

 

What is telling though, is the Eagles gameplan to beat the Chiefs was the absolute opposite of what we ran two weeks ago.

 

I loved how Philly played press man all game. They made KC’s slow and old WR’s have to fight from the second they got off the snap. And it worked great. Last week we were playing our DB’s 7-10 yards off the LOS.

 

This took away the quick passing game and made Mahomes hold the ball and allowed Philly’s d-line to go wild

 

They basically saw what the Bills did and said “let’s do the exact opposite”.

 

Yes, it was.

 

Of course, when you don’t have ANYBODY that can pressure the QB, nor have anyone in the TV screen on coverage… especially 3rd Down, you have the POS Bills D… NOT the one from the SB Champions!

 

Get Garrett or Crosby in FA and draft defensive coverage studs!

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I think it’s also more difficult for a guy as athletic as Josh to be at that level pre snap. Brady didn’t have an ounce of athleticism. Burrow isn’t winning with it. If your limitations force that development it becomes more likely l to grow in that area.
 

We could see Josh grow a lot more here as his physical skills decline. He’s already grown a lot with it comparable to his earlier years. But I think the real growth will come when he just can’t depend on Superman showing up. He’s got the smarts. 

FWIW, I think Josh has done a very good job improving at the cognitive level of the game.

 

it hasn’t been linear or perfect, but 2024 Josh Allen playing on the 2020 team may have passed for 5000 yards and 50 TD’s and won the Super Bowl.

 

I don’t think it’s his greatest skill. But I also don’t think it needs to be.

[HappyDays]

The crazy thing about Brady is he had a 1st ballot HoF career in his 20s. His early to mid 30s he put together a lesser HoF career. Then when he turned 37 he put together his most impressive HoF career yet until he retired. Literally three HoF careers in one. And in his Super Bowls he was doing this:

 

I have a hard time seeing a QB ever dethroning Brady's GOAT status. But Allen and Mahomes are almost a full decade away from reaching Brady's 3rd HoF career. Their stories aren't even halfway finished yet.

 

Edited 18 hours ago by HappyDays

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The crazy thing about Brady is he had a 1st ballot HoF career in his 20s. His early to mid 30s he put together a lesser HoF career. Then when he turned 37 he put together his most impressive HoF career yet until he retired. Literally three HoF careers in one. And in his Super Bowls he was doing this:

 

I have a hard time seeing a QB ever dethroning Brady's GOAT status. But Allen and Mahomes are almost a full decade away from reaching Brady's 3rd HoF career. Their stories aren't even halfway finished yet.

 

That tweet is inaccurate.

 

Mahomes in 5 SB’s

 

10 TD’s, 7 INT’s.

[HappyDays]

Just now, FireChans said:

That tweet is inaccurate.

 

Mahomes in 5 SB’s

 

10 TD’s, 7 INT’s.

 

Looking at it again, that tweet was posted when the game was 34-0. So spiritually I feel like it's true even though by the letter it isn't. Brady never had garbage time TDs in the Super Bowl because he wouldn't ever play as poorly as Mahomes did in this one before the game was out of hand.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Looking at it again, that tweet was posted when the game was 34-0. So spiritually I feel like it's true even though by the letter it isn't. Brady never had garbage time TDs in the Super Bowl because he wouldn't ever play as poorly as Mahomes did in this one before the game was out of hand.

For sure.

 

When it’s all said and done, this is 2 (and counting?) complete SB blowouts on Mahomes’ resume. I think 1 blowout was enough to wave away, but I think the GOAT debate is now over. Brady NEVER had one SB like this, let alone two.

 

He had disappointing performances and bus riding performances. But never was outclassed from the jump. 

If the Eagles won by a FG, I think Mahomes had a path for it. But this is gonna hurt him in that arena.

[Freddie's Dead]

***** him.  He cheated.

[US Egg]

Tom Brady’s lack of athleticism is on par with Babe Ruth being overweight.

[Thrivefourfive]

15 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Answer is, he is really smart, had a good arm, could read a defense like it was a child’s book, oh, and that cheating thing…, 

Pretty good defense/coach every single year he was a pro. 

[BRH]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Athleticism is athleticism.. track athletes are great athletes.. wrestlers are great athletes... Baseball players are great athletes.. it's 100% harder to hit a major league fastball or curveball than it is the cover Randy Moss as a corner 

 

Ask deion Sanders who did both.. ask Bo Jackson if it's harder to hit a major league curve or hit the a gap.. running the footballs easier 

 

It's a different type of athleticism but to say baseball doesn't take athleticism or Tom Brady doesn't have it is asinine.. this past year 65 high School baseball players were drafted to the MLB 

 

550 from college 

 

To be one of the top 65 high school players you have to be on a world-class level of everything in baseball.. the skill, the technique, and the work ethic and athleticism 

 

Again athleticism doesn't equal 4.44 forty..  because athleticism comes in all weight shapes sizes and skills that's a fact 

 

But you said he didn't have an ounce of athleticism... he had enough athleticism to be one of only 4 high School catchers drafted in the country when he was

 

43,000 high school starting catchers.. he was one of the best four that's insane skill talent athleticism work ethic

I agree with much of what you say but the draft was VERY different in Brady’s time.  There were like 50 rounds, more minor leagues, and LOTS more kids getting drafted out of high school as opposed to today when there are 20 rounds and only the very best HS players get drafted.