Why Tom Brady was the GOAT

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Allen has improved leaps and bounds with this...just gonna require more reps...and would be really awesome if he turned to Jayden Daniel's trick which is to use VR at 1.75x speed...that would greatly cut down on the number of live reps needed.

 

Why every QB isn't at home doing this 3-4 hours a day in the offseason is beyond me.  I would be relentless in using that, it's basically a free way to get as many reps as you want.

 

BB's problem is his drafting was garbage over the last decade and slowly eroded the team to basically be having to overachieve with subpar player to even make the playoffs and finally not even get in the playoffs the last year or two. Brady was covering up so much for him in terms of poor drafts that we didn't see the effects fully until he left.

Bill belichick the footballs czar and Bill belichick the football coach are completely different animals 

 

Average GM with solid pro personnel decisions below average drafting 

 

World class coach and game planner 

 

 

[BigDingus]

Even at the height of the Pats dominance, regardless of how much I hated playing against him, I always defended how great Brady was as a player.

 

Once he won that 5th Super Bowl, he became the Michael Jordan of the NFL in my eyes. Throughout the NFL's history, no QB had ever won 5 x Super Bowls. The fact he went on to win 7 is absolutely absurd, as he alone has more SB wins than any NFL franchise does in their history.

 

Given how much variability, luck, injuries, roster changes, etc. there is the NFL, being able to make 10 x Super Bowls in 20 years in a level of dominance that can't be overstated. I still see some people say Montana was better because he won 4 of 4 SBs, but how is just not making the SB somehow better than making it & losing?

 

If Mahomes keeps winning, then he may eventually surpass Brady. But a three-peat does not do that, no matter what Nick Wright says.

[SoonerBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Allen has improved leaps and bounds with this...just gonna require more reps...and would be really awesome if he turned to Jayden Daniel's trick which is to use VR at 1.75x speed...that would greatly cut down on the number of live reps needed.

 

Why every QB isn't at home doing this 3-4 hours a day in the offseason is beyond me.  I would be relentless in using that, it's basically a free way to get as many reps as you want.

 

BB's problem is his drafting was garbage over the last decade and slowly eroded the team to basically be having to overachieve with subpar players to even make the playoffs and finally not even get in the playoffs the last year or two. Brady was covering up so much for him in terms of poor drafts that we didn't see the effects fully until he left.

Isn't Allen having to do that with Beane's drafting?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, JohnnyBuffalo said:

The guy got caught cheating twice.    He is not the goat he is a donkey.   Can you imagine if Josh Allen had the defensive scheme of the chefs video taped to review….think maybe that would have helped?   Yeah that’s what Brady had for years.   Screw that guy.  

I’m sure he is good at reading defenses without this but the guy that was handed the defenses playcalls for years talking about how good he is at reading defenses filled me with rage 🤣

[Low Positive]

18 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

I'm ok with the assumption I'm wrong.But I'm still of the opinion Allen needs Improving reading The defense more quickly.

 

He does need to get better at that, but he'll never be as good at it as Joe Burrow or Tom Brady. I don't know where Brady go that, but Joe Burrow's dad was the DC for Ohio University. He was reading coverages and diagnosing blitzes from his high chair whilst throwing cheerios. 

[Sweats]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

This is a sneaky “trade Josh Allen for Joe Burrow” thread, isn’t it?

 

 

 

 

 

...........well, apparently JA has lost a step

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

People saying that Josh Allen should get elite at pre-snap reads is like someone arguing that anyone could be a nuclear physicist if they just studied hard enough.

He got a 37 on the Wonderlic so I don't think it's an unreasonable criticism as he's capable of it.

[GETTOTHE50]

he is bragging about dinking and dunking. maybe if he did that more with Giselle than on the field, who knows, his marriage could have been saved.

 

***** that took bag and for y’all who like him now, just you’ve always did. you like getting spanked by the ‘goat’ you sick ***** 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

BB is better than Andy Reid lol

 

He won 11 games for Cleveland in 1994.. they didn't win 11 games for 26 more seasons 

 

He went to the playoffs with Mac Jones.. the dude is the best coach ever 

 

Even the best can't turn dog crap into pearls .. you need a little to work with

Went to the playoffs with mac then his top 5 defense had probably the most embarrassing playoff performance we’ve ever seen to be fair lol I think that pats team was a net negative on bill’s legacy if anything 

 

that’s as unprepared of a defense as ive ever seen come playoff time.  Daboll humiliated him. 

Edited yesterday at 09:19 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Andrew Son]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

People saying that Josh Allen should get elite at pre-snap reads is like someone arguing that anyone could be a nuclear physicist if they just studied hard enough.

Doesn’t help that he’s on record saying he’s “not a guy that over watches film.”

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Doesn’t help that he’s on record saying he’s “not a guy that over watches film.”

Laziest MVP ever

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Laziest MVP ever

He simply wins with pure athleticism instead of with his mind.

 

i think the clear example is that you can have success blitzing Allen, where usually that is suicide vs an elite QB.

 

my concern is that our window is probably smaller as freak athletic ability probably doesn’t last as long as cerebral mastery of the position 

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Went to the playoffs with mac then his top 5 defense had probably the most embarrassing playoff performance we’ve ever seen to be fair lol I think that pats team was a net negative on bill’s legacy if anything 

 

that’s as unprepared of a defense as ive ever seen come playoff time.  Daboll humiliated him. 

Or Josh Allen another all-time great player played a perfect game

 

That was perfection

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

He simply wins with pure athleticism instead of with his mind.

 

i think the clear example is that you can have success blitzing Allen, where usually that is suicide vs an elite QB.

 

my concern is that our window is probably smaller as freak athletic ability probably doesn’t last as long as cerebral mastery of the position 

yeah no

 

Allen has been particularly good against the blitz putting up a 123.2 passer rating, good for third-best in the NFL. He also ranked second in the league this season with 16 touchdown passes against the blitz.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

The mental part of the game is more important than the physical. If you know the perfect play to call on every down, both on defense and offense you win the game.

 

 

As Brady says, it's what made him, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees HOFers.

I heard a similar interview with DT Gerald McCoy (Bucs). They asked him, "Which QB was toughest to play against?" His answer: Peyton Manning.

He said one week vs. the Colts they tried a brand new stunt they'd never run before. He was lined up over center. Peyton comes up to the line yelling "93 (McCoy) has the B gap." McCoy couldn't believe he knew it was coming. They'd never, ever run that stunt before. But somehow Peyton just ... knew.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

BB is better than Andy Reid lol

 

He won 11 games for Cleveland in 1994.. they didn't win 11 games for 26 more seasons 

 

He went to the playoffs with Mac Jones.. the dude is the best coach ever 

 

Even the best can't turn dog crap into pearls .. you need a little to work with

Andy Reid is better than Belichick. Belichick was in Cleveland for 5 years. You realize that, right? He had ONE and I'll say it again for the people in the back ONE winning season out of those 5 in Cleveland. 

 

His records in Cleveland (without Brady)

6-10

7-9

7-9

11-5 playoffs

5-11

 

His records in NE (without Brady)

5-11

11-5

7-9

10-7 (playoffs)

8-9

4-13

 

Now as for Andy Reid (without Mahomes)

5-11

11-5 (playoffs)

11-5 (playoffs)

12-4 (playoffs)

12-4 (playoffs)

13-3 (Super Bowl loss)

6-10

10-6 (playoffs)

8-8 

9-6-1 (playoffs)

11-5 (playoffs)

10-6 (playoffs)

8-8

4-12

11-5 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

9-7

11-5 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

12-4 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

10-6 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

 

And then he got Mahomes. It's clear as day to see that Reid had far more success with a lot less at QB than Belichick did. You're literally trying to use ONE winning season out of 5 in Cleveland and ONE fluke season with Mac Jones to prove your point. He has 2 OUT OF 11 seasons WITHOUT BRADY that he made the playoffs. Plain and simple. He is not even average without Brady. Reid WITHOUT MAHOMES had 11 OUT OF 17 seasons that he made the playoffs. 4 of those with Alex Smith who was nothing more than Mediocre his entire career. And he went to 5 Championship games and to a Super Bowl with Philly. He is the far better coach

 

Brady without Belichick in his career is 84-101

 

Reid without Mahomes is 

92-49-1 with McNabb

50-26 with Alex Smith

 

It's not even close that Reid is the better coach

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Andy Reid is better than Belichick. Belichick was in Cleveland for 5 years. You realize that, right? He had ONE and I'll say it again for the people in the back ONE winning season out of those 5 in Cleveland. 

 

His records in Cleveland (without Brady)

6-10

7-9

7-9

11-5 playoffs

5-11

 

His records in NE (without Brady)

5-11

11-5

7-9

10-7 (playoffs)

8-9

4-13

 

Now as for Andy Reid (without Mahomes)

5-11

11-5 (playoffs)

11-5 (playoffs)

12-4 (playoffs)

12-4 (playoffs)

13-3 (Super Bowl loss)

6-10

10-6 (playoffs)

8-8 

9-6-1 (playoffs)

11-5 (playoffs)

10-6 (playoffs)

8-8

4-12

11-5 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

9-7

11-5 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

12-4 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

10-6 (playoffs with Alex Smith)

 

And then he got Mahomes. It's clear as day to see that Reid had far more success with a lot less at QB than Belichick did. You're literally trying to use ONE winning season out of 5 in Cleveland and ONE fluke season with Mac Jones to prove your point. He has 2 OUT OF 11 seasons WITHOUT BRADY that he made the playoffs. Plain and simple. He is not even average without Brady. Reid WITHOUT MAHOMES had 11 OUT OF 17 seasons that he made the playoffs. 4 of those with Alex Smith who was nothing more than Mediocre his entire career. And he went to 5 Championship games and to a Super Bowl with Philly. He is the far better coach

 

Brady without Belichick in his career is 84-101

 

Reid without Mahomes is 

92-49-1 with McNabb

50-26 with Alex Smith

 

It's not even close that Reid is the better coach

Andy Reid had more talented teams in Philadelphia then Bill did in cleveland

 

Donovan McNabb was one of the best quarterbacks of the NFC in the 2000s.. easily good enough to win a super bowl.. those eagles teams were loaded.. but Reid and his team always came up short 

 

Even Alex Smith took longer to develop but he was a number one overall pick who was a good quarterback.. not transcendent but Buffalo still would have been killing for a guy like Alex Smith before Josh and after Jim Kelly lol

 

Bill belichick also went to the playoffs with Mac Jones and won like 10 or 11 games with Matt Cassel 

 

He also stopped the bills no huddle offense in the super bowl.. and he stopped the greatest show on turf.. until Andy Reid gets six super bowls he's not better than Bill belichick

 

He got fired from Philadelphia for always losing the big one

 

Bill belichick also has a winning record against Andy Reid

Edited yesterday at 09:49 PM by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Andy Reid had more talented teams in Philadelphia then Bill did in cleveland

 

Donovan McNabb was one of the best quarterbacks of the NFC in the 2000s.. easily good enough to win a super bowl.. those eagles teams were loaded.. but Reid and his team always came up short 

 

Even Alex Smith took longer to develop but he was a number one overall pick who was a good quarterback.. not transcendent but Buffalo still would have been killing for a guy like Alex Smith before Josh and after Jim Kelly lol

 

Bill belichick also went to the playoffs with Mac Jones and won like 10 or 11 games with Matt Cassel 

 

He also stopped the bills no huddle offense in the super bowl.. and he stopped the greatest show on turf.. until Andy Reid gets six super bowls he's not better than Bill belichick

 

He got fired from Philadelphia for always losing the big one

 

Bill belichick also has a winning record against Andy Reid

Nobody ever thought McNabb was that good

 

Because he wasnt

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Or Josh Allen another all-time great player played a perfect game

 

That was perfection

lol sure when there’s an all time great QB on the other sideline there’s nothing you can do as a coach right?  That’s totally the standard we apply to every coach on these boards 🤣

 

Josh was great but belichick got outcoached badly.  He had all the talent that these playoff defenses that have given us some trouble have and fell flat on his face.

 

 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Isn't Allen having to do that with Beane's drafting?

 

No, this has already been disproven time and time again, but I'm sure you'll keep spewing the same nonsense.