Allen's All Time QB Ranking [Right now]

[Buffalo03]

6 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Big Ben, Stafford, and Aikmen are above him due to accolades, and Lamar is right there.  Burrow is tied as well

Aikman is ahead of Allen? The guy only threw like 160 TD passes his whole career

[Jay_Fixit]

Nah. And Allen isn’t above Jim Kelly either.

[Matt_In_NH]

He has to win a SB to be above say Ben R.....

[jcamm1966]

5 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Aikman is ahead of Allen? The guy only threw like 160 TD passes his whole career

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[NoHuddleKelly12]

For me this is 2-fold…viewed through the lens of talent, ceiling and the overall “it” factor, I think Allen is head and shoulders above the rest. I’ve never seen another QB as complete as him athletically and prototypical in my 35+ years of actively following the NFL…however, the other part of this is unavoidably the legacy in terms of  team achievements, and that’s a chapter where he still has a lot to write…even compared with Jim Kelly who undeniably was a lesser gifted QB (but still perfect for the no huddle KGun imho). So in summary, it’s complicated 🤷😅. I’ll say this tho…I wouldn’t trade him for anyone, Patty included, as there’s no throw or highlight play of his that Allen can’t do, and I know there are plays Allen can make that no one else can dream of, again, Patty included. 

[BillsFan130]

7 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

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Trent Dilfer over Josh as well then?😉

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

If Allen retired right now, he would not even be a hall of famer. He has to play a lot longer and do a lot more to get into the conversation with the greats. He is well on his way, though.

As Josh’s greatest fan (🤪), I agree with you.  He needs a Superbowl or two to even be in the conversation as one of the greats.  The MVP along with his numbers will eventually get him in the Hall of Fame.  A Super Bowl or two will get him into the conversation with the Greatest QBs.  

[oldmanfan]

In terms of physical talent top 5.  But has to rank behind guys like Big g Ben that has won.  And you have Otto Graham way way too low.  

[jcamm1966]

It just stinks that Allen has KC to leap over, Cavs in the 90'S had the Bulls to get by but never could

[Buffalo03]

25 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

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That doesn't make Aikman better lol

[SoonerBillsFan]

12 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, I think that if he retired right now, you have him too high. 

 

I think part of being a great quarterback is being very good for a long time - the duration of the success is important.   That guy the Colts got to replace Manning   had the potential to be great, but if he didn't do it for 15 years, he just hasn't proved that he was great.  I couldn't remember his name - now I do - Luck, and the simple fact that I couldn't remember his name tells you all you need to know. 

 

Last year, some people were talking about that kid in Houston as a true great, and we saw what he looked like in his second season.  All of the gushing over Jayden Daniels is way premature.  

 

So, if we're really talking about all time greats, I don't think Allen has played enough to be 12. 

 

HOWEVER, if instead of talking about greatness, I'm with you if the question is this:  You're a GM, picking a team for one season.  You can have any QB you want, and you get the QB at the top his game as shown in his career.  How many guys would you pick ahead of Allen?

 

I don't think Young or Marino would be on my list ahead of Allen.  Allen at his best is a better thrower than Young and a much better runner than Marino.   

 

Allen's a helluva player. 

 

Montana and Brady.  The two best brains to ever play QB.

[BearNorth]

10 hours ago, DapperCam said:

This Hall of Fame index score has Allen currently in the 40s: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

 

Seems like the accumulation of seasons is important in this index. Jim Kelly is actually the lowest rated QB in the hall on this.

And interestingly ranked below both Lamonica and Kemp.

[MJS]

51 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Montana and Brady.  The two best brains to ever play QB.

Peyton Manning

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Montana and Brady.  The two best brains to ever play QB.

True. It's really remarkable that two of the very best quarterbacks ever to play the game had relatively limited athletic ability compared to most of the best quarterbacks. 

 

And that's what makes Mahomes stand out as well. He simply thinks about the game at a very high level and makes decisions that consistently win football games. He has that in common with Montana and Brady, and he's at least the physical equal of Montana and is superior physically to Brady.

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

True. It's really remarkable that two of the very best quarterbacks ever to play the game had relatively limited athletic ability compared to most of the best quarterbacks. 

 

And that's what makes Mahomes stand out as well. He simply thinks about the game at a very high level and makes decisions that consistently win football games. He has that in common with Montana and Brady, and he's at least the physical equal of Montana and is superior physically to Brady.

That is the last component Allen needs.  Use the athleticism as a last resort.  He must take another step mentally and be more cerebral about the game.

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Allen is better than Favre even without a SB on his resume IMHO.  

 

 

Disagree-  IS he the better QB?  Yes- I agree, Allen is better than Favre— but accolades matter.  Lombardis matter more than any of the accolades when it comes to QBs.  Can’t put Allen ahead of Favre until he, at least, leads his team to a Super Bowl imo 

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

But...IMHO you are grossly undervaluing Kurt Warner.  One of the greatest post season QB's of all time...its debatable if Allen can be ranked ahead of him at all before reaching a SB, and at the very least its a close ranking.  But you got him as the last guy in your bottom column with guys like McNabb, Palmer, etc.  Warner is easily a top 20, maybe even top 15 QB all time in my book.  Having in that bottom group is criminal in my book.  He is easily better than most of the guys in your second group even.

 

Agreed. Warner was amazing and, at his best, might even be top 10 in my book. 

[Gugny]

The only list I want to see him on is “Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks.”

[Sweats]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Allen is better than Favre even without a SB on his resume IMHO.  

 

But...IMHO you are grossly undervaluing Kurt Warner.  One of the greatest post season QB's of all time...its debatable if Allen can be ranked ahead of him at all before reaching a SB, and at the very least its a close ranking.  But you got him as the last guy in your bottom column with guys like McNabb, Palmer, etc.  Warner is easily a top 20, maybe even top 15 QB all time in my book.  Having in that bottom group is criminal in my book.  He is easily better than most of the guys in your second group even.

 

 

 

 

I agree about Warner.......the guy never gets any love or much recognition for what he's done throughout the years.

 

He is one of the all time great pure pocket passers, no gimmicks, no tricks, no running.......just sit in the pocket and find the WR's.

 

And tough?.......Jesus, the guy took his lumps and came back for more.

 

If i was a franchise in need of a QB and i could pick from any player throughout history, as a pure pocket passer, i'd pick Warner........as a running QB, it would be Vick and as a dual threat, it would be JA.

[Buddy Hix]

Allen is way too high on your list. Ben, Stafford, Aikman are easily ahead of him. Burrow and Lamar are equal to him.

 

I love Josh, but let’s be honest. In the biggest games since 13 seconds, he hasn’t been great once. KC x 2, Cinci and Baltimore…all underwhelming performances. 

[Wizard]

All great thoughts.

 

This is the fun thing about sharing rankings as it is really impossible to compare eras definitively.

 

I know nothing about Bobby Lane other than the Hall of Fame website, Wikipedia, a few stories, etc.

 

For those great players, I leave off, it is not a slight. I was most interested in seeing who people have ahead of Allen.

 

There is always the debate with rings, stats, MVP's, all-pros, longevity, how fortunate a QB was to have a great coach and great teammates, likeability, etc.

 

I like how people have talked about football IQ, athleticism or lack thereof, and that "clutch" component, etc.

 

That is why I think any list has Brady, Montana, Manning, Mahomes all somewhere at/near the top.

 

Someone posted they believe Allen is Better than Favre, Young, and Marino. When all is wrapped up, I can agree that Allen is better, but currently these guys have the longevity, awards, and stats cards ahead of Allen.

 

My guess is that Allen has a relatively shorter career. I think he plays to 35-37 because of his style. I also think he does not hold on and pads his stats or jumps to another team to end his career.

 

As far as talent, versatility and personality, Allen is no less than top 2 I have seen.

 

I am very interested to see how the whole Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson, career comparisons finish against the a time great QB's. They already are there or knocking very loudly on the door.

 

It's fun to hear different perspectives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Wizard