Allen's All Time QB Ranking [Right now]

[Wizard]

Setting aside (as best as possible) future predictions on Allen's career, bias for and against past talented QB's, and balancing out that "best" is not based solely on stats, longevity, or Super Bowls, where does Allen rank right now among the NFL's greatest QB's ever?

 

Rather than do a poll or dive into everyone's personally preferred statistic, or focus on the most talented QB, most wins, most awards, best arm, who was lucky and had the best teammates and teams, best personality, biggest overachiever, etc...I am answering the question in this way...if Allen were to retire today, right now, where would I rank him?

 

I have Allen as the 12th best QB right now of all-time.

 

Where do you have him right now and why?

 

Players above Allen right now (in no particular order)

Johnny Unitas

Joe Montana

Dan Marino

John Elway

Steve Young

Brett Favre

Peyton Manning

Tom Brady

Dree Brees

Aaron Rodgers

Patrick Mahomes

 

 

Great QB's Below Josh (No Order)

Fran Tarkenton

Jim Kelly

Warren Moon (one of my favorite non-Bills)

Troy Aikman

Matthew Stafford

Rodger Staubach

Terry Bradshaw

Ben Rothleisberger

Matt Ryan 

Phillip Rivers

Lamar Jackson

Joe Burrow

 

Other Really Good QB's Below Josh: Quite A Lot More Below (No Order and Not Exhaustive Obviously)

Bart Starr

Jared Goff

Steve McNair

Otto Graham

Sid Luckman

Rich Gannon

Phil Simms

Boomer Esaison 

Kenny Stabler

Russell Wilson

Carson Palmer

Eli Manning 

Donovan McNabb

Randall Cunningham 

Dan Fouts

Len Dawson

George Blanda

Sonny Jurgensen

Y.A. Tittle 

Kurt Warner

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Wizard
Clarity

[L Ron Burgundy]

If we can surround him with more talent he could end as THE all time great.  Not kidding.   Give the guy more to work with!

[Low Positive]

You are way underrating Ben Roethlisberger. What about Terry Bradshaw? Rodger Staubach? 

[Cray51]

Big Ben, Stafford, and Aikmen are above him due to accolades, and Lamar is right there.  Burrow is tied as well

[Wizard]

Like the thoughts...Staubach and Bradshaw had better teams. Staubach lost some prime years as a result of military service.

 

Bradshaw and Aikman are overrated in my opinion. They were really good.

 

Rothleisberger is historically underrated. Large numbers with great offenses.

 

Not denying any of these guys as great in their own right.

 

The 11 above Josh are the ones I feel I can definitively say rank above Allen thus far.

 

Want to hear your opinions and why.

[Shaw66]

Well, I think that if he retired right now, you have him too high. 

 

I think part of being a great quarterback is being very good for a long time - the duration of the success is important.   That guy the Colts got to replace Manning   had the potential to be great, but if he didn't do it for 15 years, he just hasn't proved that he was great.  I couldn't remember his name - now I do - Luck, and the simple fact that I couldn't remember his name tells you all you need to know. 

 

Last year, some people were talking about that kid in Houston as a true great, and we saw what he looked like in his second season.  All of the gushing over Jayden Daniels is way premature.  

 

So, if we're really talking about all time greats, I don't think Allen has played enough to be 12. 

 

HOWEVER, if instead of talking about greatness, I'm with you if the question is this:  You're a GM, picking a team for one season.  You can have any QB you want, and you get the QB at the top his game as shown in his career.  How many guys would you pick ahead of Allen?

 

I don't think Young or Marino would be on my list ahead of Allen.  Allen at his best is a better thrower than Young and a much better runner than Marino.   

 

Allen's a helluva player. 

 

[Alphadawg7]

25 minutes ago, Wizard said:

Setting aside (as best as possible) future predictions on Allen's career, bias for and against past talented QB's, and balancing out that "best" is not based solely on stats, longevity, or Super Bowls, where does Allen rank right now among the NFL's greatest QB's ever?

 

Rather than do a poll or dive into everyone's personally preferred statistic, or focus on the most talented QB, most wins, most awards, best arm, who was lucky and had the best teammates and teams, best personality, biggest overachiever, etc...I am answering the question in this way...if Allen were to retire today, right now, where would I rank him?

 

I have Allen as the 12th best QB right now of all-time.

 

Where do you have him right now and why?

 

Players above Allen right now (in no particular order)

Johnny Unitas

Joe Montana

Dan Marino

John Elway

Steve Young

Brett Favre

Peyton Manning

Tom Brady

Dree Brees

Aaron Rodgers

Patrick Mahomes

 

 

Great QB's Below Josh (No Order)

Fran Tarkenton

Jim Kelly

Warren Moon (one of my favorite non-Bills)

Troy Aikman

Matthew Stafford

Rodger Staubach

Terry Bradshaw

Ben Rothleisberger

Matt Ryan 

Phillip Rivers

Lamar Jackson

Joe Burrow

 

Other Really Good QB's Below Josh: Quite A Lot More Below (No Order and Not Exhaustive Obviously)

Bart Starr

Jared Goff

Steve McNair

Otto Graham

Sid Luckman

Rich Gannon

Phil Simms

Boomer Esaison 

Kenny Stabler

Russell Wilson

Carson Palmer

Eli Manning 

Donovan McNabb

Randall Cunningham 

Dan Fouts

Len Dawson

George Blanda

Sonny Jurgensen

Y.A. Tittle 

Kurt Warner

 

 

 

Allen is better than Favre even without a SB on his resume IMHO.  

 

But...IMHO you are grossly undervaluing Kurt Warner.  One of the greatest post season QB's of all time...its debatable if Allen can be ranked ahead of him at all before reaching a SB, and at the very least its a close ranking.  But you got him as the last guy in your bottom column with guys like McNabb, Palmer, etc.  Warner is easily a top 20, maybe even top 15 QB all time in my book.  Having in that bottom group is criminal in my book.  He is easily better than most of the guys in your second group even.

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Wizard]

I agree Warner is great. Please see that the list is in no particular order.

 

Could you imagine Allen with Orlando Pace, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, and Tory Holt?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Wizard said:

Could you imagine Allen with Orlando Pace, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, and Tory Holt?

 

WOW!!! I love creative ways to think about things.  Certainly puts Allen vs. Warner in perspective.  

 

I've been in the Allen camp for a long time, since his rookie season.  A couple of years ago I concluded that he was going to move into the ranks of the all-time greats, and I think that is continuing to happen.  

 

Anyway, on my version of the question - a GM picking a QB for one season, Josh Allen is clearly ahead of Warner.  Clearly.

[ghostwriter]

2 hours ago, Wizard said:

 

Players above Allen right now (in no particular order)

Johnny Unitas

Joe Montana

Dan Marino

John Elway

Steve Young

Brett Favre

Peyton Manning

Tom Brady

Dree Brees

Aaron Rodgers

Patrick Mahomes

I recuse myself from grading some of these old time QBs, I’ll leave it up to you boomers to do that. I’ll stick to what I know, which isn’t much.
 

1.) Tom Brady

2.) Joe Montana

3.) Peyton Manning

4.) John Elway

5.) Patrick Mahomes

6.) Dan Marino 

7.) Brett Favre

8.) Steve Young

9.) Aaron Rodgers

10.) Drew Brees

11.) Josh Allen

12.) Ben Roethlisberger

13.) Eli Manning

14.) Kurt Warner

15.) Russell Wilson

16.) Donovan McNabb

17.) Lamar Jackson

18.) Matthew Stafford

19.) Phillip Rivers

20.) Andrew Luck

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

It might be my wanting to wait till careers are finished to compare but Josh, Mahomes, and LJ are so far from finished any discussion is pointless. That being said I take Warners, Roethlisbergers, and Elis  Career over Josh right now. I expect Josh to pass them but he has not yet done it.

[ghostwriter]

1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

It might be my wanting to wait till careers are finished to compare but Josh, Mahomes, and LJ are so far from finished any discussion is pointless. That being said I take Warners, Roethlisbergers, and Elis  Career over Josh right now. I expect Josh to pass them but he has not yet done it.

I suspect that Lamar, Josh and Mahomes will all be in the top 7-8 when it’s all said and done.

[Reks Ryan]

I think Staubach is significantly underrated on the OPs list. On my list he is equal to or above 1/2 the guys shown on the top tier.  Other QBs I think are underrated on that list include Roethlisberger, Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, and Otto Graham. And Bobby Lane is missing.

I would take Marino out of the top tier. Most overrated QB ever, and no way I would take him above Kelly, let alone Josh.

 

[DapperCam]

This Hall of Fame index score has Allen currently in the 40s: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

 

Top 10 of:

- Brady

- Manning

- Rodgers

- Favre

- Unitas

- Montana

- Brees

- Elway

- Marino

- Tarkenton

 

Seems like the accumulation of seasons is important in this index. Jim Kelly is actually the lowest rated QB in the hall on this.

[Big Turk]

If he won a SB he would be top 5.

 

He is the all-time leader in the regular and post season in TDs/game. Essentially the most productive player in NFL history.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Wizard said:

I agree Warner is great. Please see that the list is in no particular order.

 

Could you imagine Allen with Orlando Pace, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, and Tory Holt?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember Warner took AZ to SB too

[tigerthelion]

48 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Remember Warner took AZ to SB too

Imagine Allen with Boldin and Fitzgerald.  😎   

 

I remember Fitzgerald's long td catch in that game.  Great game, that was. 

[MJS]

If Allen retired right now, he would not even be a hall of famer. He has to play a lot longer and do a lot more to get into the conversation with the greats. He is well on his way, though.

[SinceThe70s]

 

On what basis do you have Y.A, Tittle below Josh? 

[US Egg]

50 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

On what basis do you have Y.A, Tittle below Josh? 

Cuz nobody beats the ‘Wiz’