Draft options ???

[Straight Hucklebuck]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think "spotty" is very unfair on Addison. He has put up excellent numbers despite being a #2 across from the best receiver in football and having a couple of injury concerns. 19 touchdowns in 2 years despite less that optimal QB play too.

You’re 100% right - spotty is not a good description.

 

Also - great points on knowing the right time to trade up - (Addison, Flowers run in 2023) and the Brian Thomas falling to #23 and the Bills not doing what it took to move up 4-spots. 
 

I find myself thinking that roll the ball back out there approach is not going to

work, it hasn’t. 
 

If we do the usual low end FA WR and Day 3 pick route it’s not going to work. 
 

Can the Bills devise a new scheme to create an advantage? It’s stupid and wouldn’t work - but something like finding a way to draft both Judkins and Henderson and pairing them with Cook? 
 

If Brady’s scheme is run centric anyways (and in my mind Beane and McDermott only deserve one more year to get it done)? 

 

Or draft Donovan Jackson to strengthen Edwards Guard spot and get another athletic back because you’re not going to re-sign Ty Johnson and Ray Davis is not a limiting factor. 

 

Or try the tall WR route with Coleman, Savion Williams and re-sign Mack Hollins.

 

Trade Kincaid now for a pick, but I feel like this GM needs to chart a new thought process that deviates from what they’ve been trying over and over to do - which is the pay your balanced core philosophy. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You’re 100% right - spotty is not a good description.

 

Also - great points on knowing the right time to trade up - (Addison, Flowers run in 2023) and the Brian Thomas falling to #23 and the Bills not doing what it took to move up 4-spots. 
 

I find myself thinking that roll the ball back out there approach is not going to

work, it hasn’t. 
 

If we do the usual low end FA WR and Day 3 pick route it’s not going to work. 
 

Can the Bills devise a new scheme to create an advantage? It’s stupid and wouldn’t work - but something like finding a way to draft both Judkins and Henderson and pairing them with Cook? 
 

If Brady’s scheme is run centric anyways (and in my mind Beane and McDermott only deserve one more year to get it done)? 

 

Or draft Donovan Jackson to strengthen Edwards Guard spot and get another athletic back because you’re not going to re-sign Ty Johnson and Ray Davis is not a limiting factor. 

 

Or try the tall WR route with Coleman, Savion Williams and re-sign Mack Hollins.

 

Trade Kincaid now for a pick, but I feel like this GM needs to chart a new thought process that deviates from what they’ve been trying over and over to do - which is the pay your balanced core philosophy. 

 

The weaker guard spot is not Edwards, it is Torrence. 

 

I don't disagree with much of your thought in terms of offensive team building but they have blown it the last two drafts IMO. This is a defense heavy draft and the worst receiver class for about a decade.

[Billzgobowlin]

Malaki Starks 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The weaker guard spot is not Edwards, it is Torrence. 

 

I don't disagree with much of your thought in terms of offensive team building but they have blown it the last two drafts IMO. This is a defense heavy draft and the worst receiver class for about a decade.

Thoughts on Isaiah Bond? 
 

Yeah I mean with Johnson, Smoot, Jefferson, Phillips all FAs and Von and Jones another year older the defensive line is facing a complete rebuild. 

Who is banking on D.Carter to be a cornerstone based on what we saw in 2024? 
 

I’m struggling with this team - I really didn’t like anything about the tone or message of Beane’s end of year press conference.  
 

Looking for any sign that he’s not going to do the same thing this offseason - he did mention looking at both lines to strengthen and that’s something that I would like to see - an investment at Guard. That’s a spot that could be improved on. 

 

[Aussie Joe]

I’m finding it hard to be doing draft research and my 1000 odd mock drafts this year that I have typically done the past few offseasons 

 

I think the Bills are going to make some big trades next month …so the available draft picks and position needs are going to look a lot different come April ..

 

 

Edited Saturday at 10:20 PM by Aussie Joe

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I’m finding it hard to be doing draft research and my 1000 odd mock drafts this year that I have typically done the past few offseasons 

 

I think the Bills are going to make some big trades next month …so the available draft picks and position needs are going to look a lot different come April ..

 

 

 

Why do they mess with us like this??? We deserve to know now! 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Thoughts on Isaiah Bond? 
 

Yeah I mean with Johnson, Smoot, Jefferson, Phillips all FAs and Von and Jones another year older the defensive line is facing a complete rebuild. 

Who is banking on D.Carter to be a cornerstone based on what we saw in 2024? 
 

I’m struggling with this team - I really didn’t like anything about the tone or message of Beane’s end of year press conference.  
 

Looking for any sign that he’s not going to do the same thing this offseason - he did mention looking at both lines to strengthen and that’s something that I would like to see - an investment at Guard. That’s a spot that could be improved on. 

 

 

Honestly I think guard is the least of their problems. Sure it was the weakest spot on offense, but I don't think that is a critical upgrade. 

 

My thoughts on Bond are he offers a vetical speed element we lack. I don't think he is a #1 receiver or anything but despite his holes we need his strengths so bad I'd live with them.

[Lagoon Blues]

Unfortunately, we do not know what is really up with Benford.  We may be in the market for 2 starting CB's.  Fingers crossed he can return to form.

Edited Saturday at 10:49 PM by Lagoon Blues

[Straight Hucklebuck]

49 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I’m finding it hard to be doing draft research and my 1000 odd mock drafts this year that I have typically done the past few offseasons 

 

I think the Bills are going to make some big trades next month …so the available draft picks and position needs are going to look a lot different come April ..

 

 

I really hope so.

 

I want there to be some urgency in this FO now. 
 

The cap strapped draft, develop and low-end FA supplement model is unlikely to get the Bills ahead. 

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Malaki Starks 

Start a rumor so he falls.....

[billsfan89]

On 2/7/2025 at 12:12 PM, wppete said:

I just saw his highlight tape. Tge guy is a monster. Id be very happy with him in the first. 

 

I wouldn't hate a monster DT in the first, Bills got gashed a lot up the middle in the ground game at times defensively. And if McD insists on playing heavy Nickel packages having a monster DT up the middle next to Oliver. 

[Aussie Joe]

I think I’ll take one of those DT starters in the third round …thanks …

[Billzgobowlin]

9 hours ago, nosejob said:

Start a rumor so he falls.....

He has been mocked mid-first round to high second round

[BillsFanForever19]

14 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The 2024-WR Draft was maybe as good of a draft stretching back to the 2014-Draft. And the Bills ended up with one WR whose route tree dwindled to desperation fades as the season went on. 

 

That's more to do with the guys who went 4, 6, and 9 than the guys we had a shot at. 

 

The most I'd be willing to rake him over the coals for is deciding to get more picks was more important than trying to trade up to 22 to get Brian Thomas Jr.

 

Everyone who was available from 28 to where we picked Coleman - thus far I'm not upset that we passed on them. Worthy is a Slot/Outside, Gadget tweener. He played 17 games to Coleman's 13 and only managed 82 more receiving yards than Coleman.

 

Ricky Pearsall and Ladd McConkey were Slots. We needed a guy who could replace Diggs or Davis' spot Outside at all times. All of those guys would have served to take Shakir off the field. Xavier Legette, who I was high on, was worse than Coleman. 

 

And everyone taken after Coleman didn't out perform him. The truth is that thus far, outside of the guys who weren't available at 28, no one has really impressed.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-rookie-receiving-yards-leaders-2024

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

He has been mocked mid-first round to high second round

Yeah I don't see him making it even close to 30.

[whorlnut]

18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think okay to decent is a bit harsh. I think they have a lot of good to very good players. But they definitely lack elite talent. I have been expressing this concern for as long as I can remember. At the moment there is no elite difference maker on D and there is no elite weapon for Josh. 

 

And I didn't like the Keon pick. I was pro trading up for BTJ and the year before pro trading up for Jordan Addison. Either of those would have been difference makers on this O. Keon is not.

Sadly, this is very true about Coleman. I also wanted Addison and Thomas. Looks like that would have been the move. However, Beane got a pass catcher in Kincaid, who I still think can be a difference maker. Imagine though what this offense would look like with Thomas.

 

And I think the poster you quoted was right. Most of Beane’s players are ok to decent. That’s what guys that lack elite talent are, as you mentioned. There is nothing wrong with being a little critical because these lacks of elite traits are what keeps getting us kicked out of the playoffs. 

[Augie]

15 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I think I’ll take one of those DT starters in the third round …thanks …

 

That would be excellent value….since we don’t have a 3rd round pick.  😊

 

Two in the second, and two in the fourth, so if we can get a starting DT in the 3rd that is a WIN! 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Sadly, this is very true about Coleman. I also wanted Addison and Thomas. Looks like that would have been the move. However, Beane got a pass catcher in Kincaid, who I still think can be a difference maker. Imagine though what this offense would look like with Thomas.

 

And I think the poster you quoted was right. Most of Beane’s players are ok to decent. That’s what guys that lack elite talent are, as you mentioned. There is nothing wrong with being a little critical because these lacks of elite traits are what keeps getting us kicked out of the playoffs. 

 

I think we might be arguing semantics in that to me "ok to decent" means basic starting level players whereas good to very good is desirable starters that would be sought after in free agency. I think we have a lot of guys who are top 15 in the league in their position: Dawkins, Brown, McGovern, Cook, Shakir, Oliver, Milano, Taron, Bernard, Benford, Rousseau (Groot probably more like 20 than top 15 but close enough). Those are all guys that would get very good contracts if they hit FA. The problem is we don't have anyone top 5 at their position except Josh Allen (maybe Taron he is right there on the borderline but slot corner low positional value). 

 

We are all in agreement that a lack of elite is a major factor holding us back.

[Pete]

16 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

I’m struggling with this team - I really didn’t like anything about the tone or message of Beane’s end of year press conference.  
 

Looking for any sign that he’s not going to do the same thing this offseason - he did mention looking at both lines to strengthen and that’s something that I would like to see - an investment at Guard. That’s a spot that could be improved on. 

 

Everyone knows that the Bills D struggled at times last season, and has major needs this offseason.  IMO the reason Beane did not speak more about D problems is that McDermott's "specialty" is defense. He didn't go hard on D( as opposed to what he had to say about Keon and Dalton), is that could be perceived as an attack against mcD.  Beane protected McDermott

[Straight Hucklebuck]

20 minutes ago, Pete said:

Everyone knows that the Bills D struggled at times last season, and has major needs this offseason.  IMO the reason Beane did not speak more about D problems is that McDermott's "specialty" is defense. He didn't go hard on D( as opposed to what he had to say about Keon and Dalton), is that could be perceived as an attack against mcD.  Beane protected McDermott

Yeah he got asked one direct question about McDermott’s aptitude for the job and he said it’s not fair to blame one person.

 

And that may be valid if this was Year 1, 2, 3.

 

That was Year 8 for McDermott and he’s 0-5 now on the road in the Playoffs, with a defense that is giving up 32+ points in elimination games.

 

They have an emerging HC candidate in the building. 
 

I didn’t hear a hellbent mindset to

win a Championship. There was no fire, no anger, nothing different.

I heard a lot of look at the Division titles we won and what can you do its the Chiefs? He came to podium and said we’re going to keep doing what we’ve been doing.