Draft options ???

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, whorlnut said:

My personal preference is to take the best DT or WR at 30 and then use the second rounders for whichever we don’t take at 30 and an edge rusher.  Right now we have 3 picks from 30-62 and we should be able to find a couple contributors there. Remember…Beane does some of his best work in the second round, where we currently have 2 picks. 

 

With that said…I am a fan of trading 30 for a proven player. The draft is a total crapshoot, especially where we are drafting. Get a proven commodity like we did with Diggs and let’s go win now. 

I think the only WR worth pick 30 that may realistically be available is Mathew Golden.  He is worth considering, but I think there will be better options available on defense.  Golden is both quick and fast with decent size.  In my view, he may be able to play flanker and inject some juice into the WR group.  Beyond him, I haven’t yet seen any WR that really interests me in the first (that has a chance to be there) and nobody that really stands out for late round 2, either.  Of course, I could be wrong and there is a lot of opportunity for someone to shine at the combine.

 

I think there will be DTs worth late first and there probably will be good ones still around late round 2.

 

i think they need to be looking at CB in late 1 or 2 as well.

[Allen2Moulds]

Trade for premier pass rusher, and it's not even close.

I don't have much faith in us drafting an impact DE or DT. 

That being said, I feel like this is the order of importance:

 

-DE1

-Boundary WR with elite speed

-Run stuffing DT/Daquon Jones replacement

-CB2 with CB1 upside to replace Douglas

 

Edited February 7 by Allen2Moulds

[wppete]

Mel Kiper day 2 value picks. Some good players will be available. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Trade the pics for established players. We should be going for it from here on in like the Rams did. You don’t have to screw the future entirely for the now.

[TFBillsfan]

This past season proved the Bills are ahead of schedule and with adding a few impactful players, they can finally kick down the FN door. Time to swing big and not keeping trying to win with singles.

 

Go get a playmaker at CB, make an impactful trade for Myles, Max, Hendrickson or Simmons. Draft WR, S and depth on the DL. 

[RyanC883]

11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think everything is on the table. What came out of the end of season press conferences is that there isn’t enough talent at the top of the depth chart. I could see them trading for Garrett obviously (or Crosby as Plan B). I could see them taking a swing at a Pro Bowl level player in FA (Charvarious Ward maybe). I could see them going up in the draft if someone at one of those positions starts to slip (Luther Burden or Mike Green for example). They are going to add multiple “elite” level players IMO.

 

Would love a trade for Garrett and Higgins in FA.  Then DT’s in 2nd or 3rd and CB.  An interesting later round WR is Pat Bryan from Illinois.  Iowa State WR’s also are interesting, but may go rd. 2-3. 

8 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think the only WR worth pick 30 that may realistically be available is Mathew Golden.  He is worth considering, but I think there will be better options available on defense.  Golden is both quick and fast with decent size.  In my view, he may be able to play flanker and inject some juice into the WR group.  Beyond him, I haven’t yet seen any WR that really interests me in the first (that has a chance to be there) and nobody that really stands out for late round 2, either.  Of course, I could be wrong and there is a lot of opportunity for someone to shine at the combine.

 

I think there will be DTs worth late first and there probably will be good ones still around late round 2.

 

i think they need to be looking at CB in late 1 or 2 as well.

 

Agree in WR.  We really need a FA pickup here.  Ideally Higgins, but even Slaton would be a great add. 

 

 

if we do keep 30, we likely get a CB is my guess.  And hit DT and Edge in 2-3.  It does look like bpa would be a dt, edge, cb combo of some sort rd 1-2.  I could also see a LB sneaking in there.  

[T.E.]

8 hours ago, Conlan58 said:

For everyone angling for the front office to give up whatever it takes to acquire Garrett or Crosby... 

 

What makes you think McDermott is going to all of a sudden change his whole philosophy and NOT rotate these players out at a frustrating frequency? 

 

Yeah, let's drop 3 premium draft picks on a rotational player. No - the problem isn't the talent, its the scheme. 

Ding Ding Ding!

 

Garrett trade would be catastrophic. Multiple high picks and a huge extention only to watch McDermott make him "set the edge" rather than rush the passer during every playoff game.

[RyanC883]

9 hours ago, Conlan58 said:

For everyone angling for the front office to give up whatever it takes to acquire Garrett or Crosby... 

 

What makes you think McDermott is going to all of a sudden change his whole philosophy and NOT rotate these players out at a frustrating frequency? 

 

Yeah, let's drop 3 premium draft picks on a rotational player. No - the problem isn't the talent, its the scheme. 

 

it’s both.  Von was like a sack a game pre injury here.  Elite talent needed to overcome scheme 

[GunnerBill]

19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think everything is on the table. What came out of the end of season press conferences is that there isn’t enough talent at the top of the depth chart. I could see them trading for Garrett obviously (or Crosby as Plan B). I could see them taking a swing at a Pro Bowl level player in FA (Charvarious Ward maybe). I could see them going up in the draft if someone at one of those positions starts to slip (Luther Burden or Mike Green for example). They are going to add multiple “elite” level players IMO.

 

I am not sure I'd trade up for either Green or Burden tbh. I like Green a lot but I think he is just a pass rush specialist as a rook (was also told by someone I trust the other day he won't get past the Cardinals at #16) which is valuable don't get me wrong but I am not sure it is trade up valuable. And Burden I don't see elite in. Honestly think you could stay where you are and take guys who are in the same broad range as them as prospects (Princely U from Ole Miss at DE and Matthew Golden from Texas at WR).

 

The only guy I'd be willing to trade up for in the first round of this class who I think has a reasonable hope of getting within say 10 picks of the Bills is Jahdae Barron. 

[whorlnut]

22 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think the only WR worth pick 30 that may realistically be available is Mathew Golden.  He is worth considering, but I think there will be better options available on defense.  Golden is both quick and fast with decent size.  In my view, he may be able to play flanker and inject some juice into the WR group.  Beyond him, I haven’t yet seen any WR that really interests me in the first (that has a chance to be there) and nobody that really stands out for late round 2, either.  Of course, I could be wrong and there is a lot of opportunity for someone to shine at the combine.

 

I think there will be DTs worth late first and there probably will be good ones still around late round 2.

 

i think they need to be looking at CB in late 1 or 2 as well.

Golden is very good and I would love him at 30. I also like Tre Harris from ole miss and Egbuka from Ohio state. Any of those would be worth 30, assuming they are there. 
 

If the BPA is a huge, fat DT, then take him. We need run stuffers. But I disagree about CB at 30. Maybe with one of our seconds, but I also think that position will be filled in FA or a trade. 

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Golden is very good and I would love him at 30. I also like Tre Harris from ole miss and Egbuka from Ohio state. Any of those would be worth 30, assuming they are there. 
 

If the BPA is a huge, fat DT, then take him. We need run stuffers. But I disagree about CB at 30. Maybe with one of our seconds, but I also think that position will be filled in FA or a trade. 

I am not as excited about Tre Harris, but maybe late 2nd is ok for him.  He has demonstrated an ability to get deep and he has good size, but I’m not sure his route running is good enough.  I’m not one who thinks 40 time is a great indicator of success, but if Harris can run under 4.5 that woud be fast enough for me to consider him.  I would not think he would be in the mix at pick 30 - I know just my $.02 worth.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not sure I'd trade up for either Green or Burden tbh. I like Green a lot but I think he is just a pass rush specialist as a rook (was also told by someone I trust the other day he won't get past the Cardinals at #16) which is valuable don't get me wrong but I am not sure it is trade up valuable. And Burden I don't see elite in. Honestly think you could stay where you are and take guys who are in the same broad range as them as prospects (Princely U from Ole Miss at DE and Matthew Golden from Texas at WR).

 

The only guy I'd be willing to trade up for in the first round of this class who I think has a reasonable hope of getting within say 10 picks of the Bills is Jahdae Barron. 

 

3 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Golden is very good and I would love him at 30. I also like Tre Harris from ole miss and Egbuka from Ohio state. Any of those would be worth 30, assuming they are there. 
 

If the BPA is a huge, fat DT, then take him. We need run stuffers. But I disagree about CB at 30. Maybe with one of our seconds, but I also think that position will be filled in FA or a trade. 

The worry I have with Beane (that really started with the Emmanuel Sanders signing in 2021) is the idea that Allen can carry below average skill groups to a Super Bowl victory. 

 

Because of Beane’s pay your own philosophy the cap is maxed out, the roster is full of ok-to decent players he’s drafted 
 

My worry again is on offense. This idea that we scored 30-ppg and Brady stays so we’re good to go if we re-sign Mack Hollins, Ty Johnson and bank on Keon Coleman’s growth has history behind it that it’s not going to work.

 

The 2024-WR Draft was maybe as good of a draft stretching back to the 2014-Draft. And the Bills ended up with one WR whose route tree dwindled to desperation fades as the season went on. 
 

When will Beane draft and acquire WRs like he knows Josh Allen is on this team? 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Jahdae Barron.

Do you think he’d be a boundary guy at the next level? He is a bit undersized in terms of length, no? I haven’t seen any of his stuff but have read he would be a fit in terms of style of play since he does his best work off the ball in zone match coverages. 

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

The worry I have with Beane (that really started with the Emmanuel Sanders signing in 2021) is the idea that Allen can carry below average skill groups to a Super Bowl victory. 

 

Because of Beane’s pay your own philosophy the cap is maxed out, the roster is full of ok-to decent players he’s drafted 
 

My worry again is on offense. This idea that we scored 30-ppg and Brady stays so we’re good to go if we re-sign Mack Hollins, Ty Johnson and bank on Keon Coleman’s growth has history behind it that it’s not going to work.

 

The 2024-WR Draft was maybe as good of a draft stretching back to the 2014-Draft. And the Bills ended up with one WR whose route tree dwindled to desperation fades as the season went on. 
 

When will Beane draft and acquire WRs like he knows Josh Allen is on this team? 

 

I think okay to decent is a bit harsh. I think they have a lot of good to very good players. But they definitely lack elite talent. I have been expressing this concern for as long as I can remember. At the moment there is no elite difference maker on D and there is no elite weapon for Josh. 

 

And I didn't like the Keon pick. I was pro trading up for BTJ and the year before pro trading up for Jordan Addison. Either of those would have been difference makers on this O. Keon is not.

[Shortchaz]

I know nothing about this but heard that the overall talent in this draft is meh and next year is supposed to be outstanding 🤷‍♂️. 
 

I’m all for trading picks for future picks or current players if the value isn’t there. I’d rather not do the mid season trade like we’ve done the last two seasons. it seems like a panic move, not to mention the loss of time in the system gained in the offseason. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think okay to decent is a bit harsh. I think they have a lot of good to very good players. But they definitely lack elite talent. I have been expressing this concern for as long as I can remember. At the moment there is no elite difference maker on D and there is no elite weapon for Josh. 

 

And I didn't like the Keon pick. I was pro trading up for BTJ and the year before pro trading up for Jordan Addison. Either of those would have been difference makers on this O. Keon is not.

This is the same conclusion - this GM needs to act with more urgency.

 

The Kevyn Adams act from Beane is getting old listening to how development is non-linear. 

 

Just completed Year 7 and Josh Allen has never played with an elite deep threat.
 

You see it time and time again in these Playoff games that he wants to, and is able to make big throws down the field. But Allen is straining to make these plays, there is pressure because the group lacks athleticism. 
 

Another press conference talking about knocking on doors, re-signing your own players, the Bills being close. 
 

Defensively, what can you say - the whole idea as Sal Capaccio is more than happy to remind everyone constantly is to keep “plays in front of you” so what is that supposed to look like against the best QBs in the world? 
 

 

3 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

I know nothing about this but heard that the overall talent in this draft is meh and next year is supposed to be outstanding 🤷‍♂️. 
 

I’m all for trading picks for future picks or current players if the value isn’t there. I’d rather not do the mid season trade like we’ve done the last two seasons. it seems like a panic move, not to mention the loss of time in the system gained in the offseason. 

Well especially if in the case of Hines and Cooper your GM is just going to tell you how hard it is to pick up the offense mid season. 
 

Hines’ usage was a joke from the moment he got here and so was Cooper’s for that matter. 

 

Edited February 8 by Straight Hucklebuck

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This is the same conclusion - this GM needs to act with more urgency.

 

Just completed Year 7 and Josh Allen has never played with an elite deep threat.
 

You see it time and time again in these Playoff games that he wants to, and is able to make big throws down the field. But Allen is straining to make these plays, there is pressure because the group lacks athleticism. 
 

Another press conference talking about knocking on doors, re-signing your own players, the Bills being close. 
 

Defensively, what can you say - the whole idea as Sal Capaccio is more than happy to remind everyone constantly is to keep “plays in front of you” so what is that supposed to look like against the best QBs in the world? 

 

 

You can play to keep plays in front of you on defense. But you need to be able to confuse or speed up the QB and you can't do that with no special players up front and no special players in the secondary. 

 

On offense I think it is just about making better decisions. Brandon Beane grew up in an organistion that didn't believe in drafting receivers high, from two GMs that didn't believe in drafting receivers high. He has to shake the Carolina philosophy.

35 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Do you think he’d be a boundary guy at the next level? He is a bit undersized in terms of length, no? I haven’t seen any of his stuff but have read he would be a fit in terms of style of play since he does his best work off the ball in zone match coverages. 

 

Yes I do. He was a boundary guy for Texas in 2024 and had his best season. He is a shade under 6ft so arm length measurements will decide whether he is a top 15 pick or slides some. But in a predominantly zone scheme, yep, I have zero doubts he is an outside corner. If you are more of a hybrid team that play a fair chunk of man you use him like KC use McDuffie. Outside on early downs then coming into the slot in nickel defense.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

You can play to keep plays in front of you on defense. But you need to be able to confuse or speed up the QB and you can't do that with no special players up front and no special players in the secondary. 

 

On offense I think it is just about making better decisions. Brandon Beane grew up in an organistion that didn't believe in drafting receivers high, from two GMs that didn't believe in drafting receivers high. He has to shake the Carolina philosophy.

I don’t know how he watched the 2023 Divisional against the Chiefs and concluded he did enough on offense, but in 2024 he did the same thing.
 

Low end FA investment and bare minimum draft investment. 
 

It’s been like that from the moment he stopped caring about WR2 and signed Emmanuel Sanders out of retirement. 
 

I mean who is holding out for Dalton Kincaid to become the #1 target in this offense? Anybody?

 

Did Beane get that pick correct? He certainly watched all the WRs get picked on a run right in front of him, and by all accounts the Bills liked Addison the most and he’s been a spotty deep threat as a #2.

 

You mention the Carolina philosophy and it’s killing this team. 
 

The Eagles have cap space and two elite WRs. Made the best trade in the past 5-years for AJ Brown.
 

Allen keeps the Bills in that conversation (at least for one more day) but Beane is no Howie Roseman - and that’s who you’re going up against - Roseman, Veach, DeCosta. 
 

I just shake my head at the 2024 Draft how you could only end up with one can’t separate WR that plays exactly like his Scouting Reports said he would and yet they still put him at the X. 
 

What faith does any fan have about this aspect of the team? 

[cle23]

On 2/7/2025 at 11:20 AM, wppete said:

Damn! That impressive for a big man! Second round? 

 

No way he lasts until late 2nd. I honestly think he goes mid 1st. 

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I don’t know how he watched the 2023 Divisional against the Chiefs and concluded he did enough on offense, but in 2024 he did the same thing.
 

Low end FA investment and bare minimum draft investment. 
 

It’s been like that from the moment he stopped caring about WR2 and signed Emmanuel Sanders out of retirement. 
 

I mean who is holding out for Dalton Kincaid to become the #1 target in this offense? Anybody?

 

Did Beane get that pick correct? He certainly watched all the WRs get picked on a run right in front of him, and by all accounts the Bills liked Addison the most and he’s been a spotty deep threat as a #2.

 

You mention the Carolina philosophy and it’s killing this team. 
 

The Eagles have cap space and two elite WRs. Made the best trade in the past 5-years for AJ Brown.
 

Allen keeps the Bills in that conversation (at least for one more day) but Beane is no Howie Roseman - and that’s who you’re going up against - Roseman, Veach, DeCosta. 
 

I just shake my head at the 2024 Draft how you could only end up with one can’t separate WR that plays exactly like his Scouting Reports said he would and yet they still put him at the X. 
 

What faith does any fan have about this aspect of the team? 

 

I think "spotty" is very unfair on Addison. He has put up excellent numbers despite being a #2 across from the best receiver in football and having a couple of injury concerns. 19 touchdowns in 2 years despite less that optimal QB play too.