Allen wins MVP

[klos63]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

look at how she is looking at him. I am so happy for them both. Can you imagine how Stinkin cute his babies with her are going to be 🙂

 

Oh My YES The cuteness INDEED

 

she is a righteous queen for our King of Buffalo. Josh Allen and the STUNNING Hailee Steinfeld.. as well as a family picture

 

That's how I am when I watch Josh.

I'm not embarrassed to admit it. 

[WotAGuy]

26 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Link?

I want one and I’m not even religious 

https://www.store716.com/collections/josh-allen-mvp

[ColoradoBills]

Josh Allen is so easy to root for.  His story is uplifting.

Congratulations!

[LABILLBACKER]

38 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Don't forget when they're spouting 41 Tds/ 4 Ints for Lamar, that Josh actually led the NFL in QBR. Not a small task, especially given his team had an outstanding regular season record given the lack of talent expressed by many. It's not at all a bad argument for an MVP!

When you're comparing 2 athletic running qbs vying for an MVP,  how can you not use QBR as your #1 foundational stat?  Qb Rating is a joke in today's modern scrambling qb.  Josh earned this award and an argument could easily be made he should’ve been in the top 2 last year.  Unfortunately there's still the never ending narrative from the butt hurt media who insisted Josh would fail out of Wyoming. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

look at how she is looking at him. I am so happy for them both. Can you imagine how Stinkin cute his babies with her are going to be 🙂

 

Oh My YES The cuteness INDEED

 

she is a righteous queen for our King of Buffalo. Josh Allen and the STUNNING Hailee Steinfeld.. as well as a family picture

 

All I know is this.

 

MVPs with Brittany -0

MVPs with Hailee -1

 

What was holding him back is crystal clear..🤷🏼‍♂️

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I was watching some ESPN show maybe it was 30 for 30 about Josh Allen.

 

They said Josh did not get a single offer from any colleges to attend coming out of Highschool.

 

Josh said in the documentary that he sent hundreds and hundreds of emails out to college coaches all over the country and got ZERO responses.  He did this for months.

 

But Josh never quit and finally got a response from Wyoming.

 

And now you know the rest of the story .....

[BeastMaster]

The funny thing is that the voters did Lamar another favor (last years MVP was the first) by giving him all pro to reward him for the great statistical season he had.

 

They really didn't have to do that, but they did because the noise from the Lamar stans and the biased media was so loud.

 

Lamar gets treated as if he's the greatest thing that's ever happened to football, and it's so nauseating because he's been a mediocre passer most of his career and a major bust in the playoffs...yet we keep hearing how incredible the guy is. Maybe stop glazing the man so much until he actually lives up to the hype that was put on him.

 

Josh was overdue for this award, and to not give it to him this season or to say that he didn't deserve it is something I have no tolerance for whatsoever. You need to learn football and the definition of most valuable if you dispute this man getting this award.

 

FULL STOP

[zow2]

30 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I still don’t even get the criticism…if it’s required to vote all pro the same way as MVP and the voters know that, how do they know Josh doesn’t win both? I don’t get how it’s possible to make this all pro vote into some kind of gotcha it’s literally illogical 
 

makes a lot of sense for guys to treat all pro as a more stats based award than mvp to me in the first place 

 

My hope is that this season kicked the door down.  It should never be automatic that First team All Pro QB is always the MVP.  And that's what some folks on these morning sports shows think...that it should always be that way.  

 

Maybe next season Allen or Burrow gets awarded First Team All Pro because they have ridiculous stats... but Jayden Daniels with lesser stats leads the Commanders to 14 wins and wins the MVP.  I mean gimme a break, this not hard to understand how one accolade means something different vs another. 

Edited 3 hours ago by zow2

[Simon]

48 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I guess i should stop here because each time I mention something about this today my post gets mysteriously deleted without warning. 

Or maybe you should have stopped before you started.

We have a nice place here; please stop dragging gutpiles and stinkbombs into it.

If you hate the media/Twitter nonsense so much, then what on Earth would possess you to bring it in here just to complain about it, so that you can make everybody else have to hear about both it and your complaints as well?

We can do better.

 

[Mark92]

I was ok with Lamar winning last year.  He was the reason the Ravens got the #1 seed.  This year Josh was the reason the bills got the #2 seed.  It's quite simple really. 

Be good, Do good, God Bless and Go Bills!!!!

Edited 3 hours ago by Mark92

[RiotAct]

44 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

https://www.store716.com/collections/josh-allen-mvp

ugh, would be a lot better without the “17”

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

Or maybe you should have stopped before you started.

We have a nice place here; please stop dragging gutpiles and stinkbombs into it.

If you hate the media/Twitter nonsense so much, then what on Earth would possess you to bring it in here just to complain about it, so that you can make everybody else have to hear about both it and your complaints as well?

We can do better.

 

Be good

Do Good

God Bless

Go Bills

[DapperCam]

4 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

I was ok with Lamar winning last year.  He was the reason the Ravens got the #1 seed.  This year Josh was the reason the bills got the #2 seed.  It's quite simple really. 

Be good, Do good, God Bless and Go Bills!!!!

The Ravens had by far the #1 defense last year.

 

In the big game of the year that cemented Lamar’s MVP, they got 5 interceptions!

 

The narrative that Lamar carried last year’s team to the #1 seed is revisionist history IMO.

[Logic]

AP voter Lindsay Jones explains her reasoning for voting for Josh Allen for MVP:

https://www.theringer.com/2025/02/07/nfl/josh-allen-nfl-mvp-lamar-jackson-vote-splitting

 

Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen was a true MVP debate for the ages—the type the NFL hasn’t seen since Steve McNair and Peyton Manning split the award for the 2003 season. When Jackson was overwhelmingly voted the first-team quarterback on the Associated Press All-Pro team last month, it seemed like a pretty clear indication of how the greatest debate of the season would end. 
 

But in the most stunning MVP result in years, it was Allen, not Jackson, who took the MVP trophy home on Thursday night at the NFL Honors ceremony in New Orleans. It is Allen’s first MVP award. Jackson has previously won it twice, for the 2019 and 2023 seasons. It was the first time since 1987 that QBs split the MVP and All-Pro honors outright (that year, John Elway won MVP while Joe Montana was the All-Pro).
 

Allen received 27 first-place votes, 22 second-place votes, and one third-place vote, for a total of 383 points in the AP’s ranked-choice voting system. Jackson received 23 first-place votes, 26 second-place votes, and one fourth-place vote, for 362 total points. Eagles running back Saquon Barkley finished third, with 120 points. (No voters picked Barkley as their MVP, but he had one second-place vote and 25 for third place.)
 

For comparison, Jackson received 30 first-team All-Pro votes, to 18 for Allen. Cincinnati’s Joe Burrow also received two first-team All-Pro votes. The AP’s Rob Maaddi, who oversees the voting process, told me that both of the Burrow All-Pro voters picked Jackson for MVP.
 

“I was pretty surprised, yeah,” Allen said at his news conference Thursday night. “Given what we know about how typically voting goes. Lamar was very deserving of this award as well. I’ve got nothing but love and respect for his game. He’s a great steward of the game, and every time we share a field, I’m very fortunate to be mentioned in the same breath as him.”
 

That means nine voters split their votes—picking Jackson for All-Pro, and Allen for MVP. 

One of those voters was me.
 

I’ve been on the AP’s voting panel for NFL awards for at least 10 years, and never have I agonized over my MVP ballot more than I did this season. I spent hours rewatching games and the All 22, pouring over advanced metrics and talking to people I trust on football matters. My poor, patient husband listened to me talk myself in circles as I paced around the house, working my way through my decision during that first week of January. 
 

My stomach was in knots as I filled out my award ballot, and I remember exhaling when I hit send. Voting for these NFL awards and the Pro Football Hall of Fame is an honor I take extremely seriously. All I ever want is to have done my homework so I can feel confident in my vote, be transparent about my process, and be able to defend it. 
 

One of the biggest gripes about the MVP award in the past decade is that it’s essentially become the Best Quarterback award. We can try to make a case that a skill position player has a season special enough to enter the conversation, like Barkley did this season, but we all know it’ll take something truly historic (and an exceptionally down year for quarterback play) for a non-QB to ever win this award again. (For the record, I had Barkley third on my ballot, behind Allen and Jackson.)
 

Ultimately, this year it came down to the two quarterbacks, and it felt impossible to choose.  I am confident that (a) both Jackson and Allen were deserving of the league’s highest individual honor, and (b) MVP is not strictly an award for the best quarterback, so voting one of them for All-Pro didn’t mean he automatically had to be my MVP. The phrasing of “Most Valuable” is extremely vague, and open to plenty of interpretation of what it actually means. To me, the MVP award is open to narrative considerations, a player’s career arc, the roster decisions made around him, and expectations for any particular season, in a way that—again, to me—All-Pro voting is not. In considering (and considering and considering) Jackson vs. Allen, I opened myself up to the possibility that some great quarterback plays and moments carried more weight than others this season. 
 

Allen finished the season with 3,731 passing yards and 28 touchdowns, along with 513 rushing yards and 12 scores on the ground. Jackson’s numbers were eye-popping: 4,172 passing yards and 41 touchdowns, and 915 rushing yards and four TDs on the ground.
 

So splitting my ballot was my way of acknowledging that Jackson played quarterback better than anyone this season, while Allen was the defining, and yes, most valuable, football character of the regular season. When I think back on the 2024 regular season, it was Allen whose best plays lead the highlight reel—his passing-turned-receiving touchdown against San Francisco in the snow, his fourth-down touchdown run against Kansas City that helped Buffalo hand the Chiefs their only meaningful loss of the season, and his roll-out deep dart to Keon Coleman in a December shootout against Detroit.  
 

This wasn’t Allen’s best statistical season in many areas—his total yardage, passing touchdowns, and passer rating were all down from a peak in 2020, and that was certainly a valid argument against him, especially since Jackson outperformed his two previous MVP seasons. But I don’t think it’s hard to make the case that this was Allen’s most impactful season as the Bills’ quarterback. His counting stats were down in large part because of a philosophical shift in the Buffalo offense, not because he suddenly got worse at passing. Allen was always able to turn on the superhero switch when he wanted to and when the Bills needed a clutch play, but in 2024, the Bills’ first option wasn’t “hey Josh, just go do something.” 
 

The result was the most efficient version of Allen we’ve ever seen, with career highs in adjusted net yards per attempt, QBR and expected points added (EPA) per dropback. Allen also had better luck on turnovers this season. He had career lows in interceptions (six) and fumbles (five). He also took a career-low number of sacks. If his perceived recklessness with the football was one thing that had held him back from serious MVP consideration in the past, well, he answered that question this season. 
 

And he did it while leading the Bills to the no. 2 seed in the AFC in what most of us thought would be a reset year for Buffalo after the Bills traded away star wide receiver Stefon Diggs and moved on from several prominent defensive players in cost-saving moves. Value is impossible to cleanly define, but Allen earned this award. It felt impossible to choose, and nearly as hard to justify, but I stand by it. There was no voter fatigue for me, no boredom in a repeat winner, or hesitancy to pick Jackson for a third time. 
 

I understand that plenty of people will not agree with this decision-making process, including many of my peers and fellow voters. Maybe some of them felt voting for Jackson was an easy call, and I get it: He was electrifying, and took his already incredible game to a new level. His stats are undeniable. I’m not sure there would have been an entirely satisfying outcome, though I suppose it feels fitting that an MVP race that felt so tight during the season remained so until the very (surprising) end. End of article

 

[Doc Brown]

15 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes, in fact he's the only MVP voter I will never question because he's consistent and he explains his reasoning.

He received death threats because he denied Lamar the unanimous MVP last year.  Nothing but respect for Schatz.

[zow2]

30 minutes ago, Logic said:

AP voter Lindsay Jones explains her reasoning for voting for Josh Allen for MVP:

https://www.theringer.com/2025/02/07/nfl/josh-allen-nfl-mvp-lamar-jackson-vote-splitting

 

 

That's a good writeup although I don't really think anyone has to justify his/her selection at this point.   There were compelling arguments for both QBs.  I thought she might point out that had Allen taken an equal number of snaps, the raw stats that everyone sees on paper would be closer.   Plus the Bills game plan shut down Allen after week 15, while Lamar played meaningful games for the division right through the end of week 18.  

[Beck Water]

15 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It's really a great example of how cruel life and maybe karma are. You stuck by him for years and years, through college and the draft and building his career, then he's up there thanking a new woman for being his rock and "wouldn't be here without you" and you're just completely forgotten. Tough!

 

I see it differently.

 

She wasn't Josh's high school GF, though the families knew each other.  She hitched her star to his during his first year playing for Wyoming when he was predicted to be drafted in the 1st round (but decided to stay in school).   So I believe he was already predicted to be a 1st round draft pick with at least $4.5M signing bonus and $9M overall (32nd pick) when they started dating.

 

I don't know the woman, since she was with him for 6 years hopefully they loved each other and had good times, but purely looked at from 10,000 ft view it wasn't like Brenda Warner or Fred Jackson's wife where they stuck with their husbands when they were stocking grocery shelves or playing arena ball. 
 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

51 minutes ago, Logic said:

AP voter Lindsay Jones explains her reasoning for voting for Josh Allen for MVP:

https://www.theringer.com/2025/02/07/nfl/josh-allen-nfl-mvp-lamar-jackson-vote-splitting

 

Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen was a true MVP debate for the ages—the type the NFL hasn’t seen since Steve McNair and Peyton Manning split the award for the 2003 season. When Jackson was overwhelmingly voted the first-team quarterback on the Associated Press All-Pro team last month, it seemed like a pretty clear indication of how the greatest debate of the season would end. 
 

But in the most stunning MVP result in years, it was Allen, not Jackson, who took the MVP trophy home on Thursday night at the NFL Honors ceremony in New Orleans. It is Allen’s first MVP award. Jackson has previously won it twice, for the 2019 and 2023 seasons. It was the first time since 1987 that QBs split the MVP and All-Pro honors outright (that year, John Elway won MVP while Joe Montana was the All-Pro).
 

Allen received 27 first-place votes, 22 second-place votes, and one third-place vote, for a total of 383 points in the AP’s ranked-choice voting system. Jackson received 23 first-place votes, 26 second-place votes, and one fourth-place vote, for 362 total points. Eagles running back Saquon Barkley finished third, with 120 points. (No voters picked Barkley as their MVP, but he had one second-place vote and 25 for third place.)
 

For comparison, Jackson received 30 first-team All-Pro votes, to 18 for Allen. Cincinnati’s Joe Burrow also received two first-team All-Pro votes. The AP’s Rob Maaddi, who oversees the voting process, told me that both of the Burrow All-Pro voters picked Jackson for MVP.
 

“I was pretty surprised, yeah,” Allen said at his news conference Thursday night. “Given what we know about how typically voting goes. Lamar was very deserving of this award as well. I’ve got nothing but love and respect for his game. He’s a great steward of the game, and every time we share a field, I’m very fortunate to be mentioned in the same breath as him.”
 

That means nine voters split their votes—picking Jackson for All-Pro, and Allen for MVP. 

One of those voters was me.
 

I’ve been on the AP’s voting panel for NFL awards for at least 10 years, and never have I agonized over my MVP ballot more than I did this season. I spent hours rewatching games and the All 22, pouring over advanced metrics and talking to people I trust on football matters. My poor, patient husband listened to me talk myself in circles as I paced around the house, working my way through my decision during that first week of January. 
 

My stomach was in knots as I filled out my award ballot, and I remember exhaling when I hit send. Voting for these NFL awards and the Pro Football Hall of Fame is an honor I take extremely seriously. All I ever want is to have done my homework so I can feel confident in my vote, be transparent about my process, and be able to defend it. 
 

One of the biggest gripes about the MVP award in the past decade is that it’s essentially become the Best Quarterback award. We can try to make a case that a skill position player has a season special enough to enter the conversation, like Barkley did this season, but we all know it’ll take something truly historic (and an exceptionally down year for quarterback play) for a non-QB to ever win this award again. (For the record, I had Barkley third on my ballot, behind Allen and Jackson.)
 

Ultimately, this year it came down to the two quarterbacks, and it felt impossible to choose.  I am confident that (a) both Jackson and Allen were deserving of the league’s highest individual honor, and (b) MVP is not strictly an award for the best quarterback, so voting one of them for All-Pro didn’t mean he automatically had to be my MVP. The phrasing of “Most Valuable” is extremely vague, and open to plenty of interpretation of what it actually means. To me, the MVP award is open to narrative considerations, a player’s career arc, the roster decisions made around him, and expectations for any particular season, in a way that—again, to me—All-Pro voting is not. In considering (and considering and considering) Jackson vs. Allen, I opened myself up to the possibility that some great quarterback plays and moments carried more weight than others this season. 
 

Allen finished the season with 3,731 passing yards and 28 touchdowns, along with 513 rushing yards and 12 scores on the ground. Jackson’s numbers were eye-popping: 4,172 passing yards and 41 touchdowns, and 915 rushing yards and four TDs on the ground.
 

So splitting my ballot was my way of acknowledging that Jackson played quarterback better than anyone this season, while Allen was the defining, and yes, most valuable, football character of the regular season. When I think back on the 2024 regular season, it was Allen whose best plays lead the highlight reel—his passing-turned-receiving touchdown against San Francisco in the snow, his fourth-down touchdown run against Kansas City that helped Buffalo hand the Chiefs their only meaningful loss of the season, and his roll-out deep dart to Keon Coleman in a December shootout against Detroit.  
 

This wasn’t Allen’s best statistical season in many areas—his total yardage, passing touchdowns, and passer rating were all down from a peak in 2020, and that was certainly a valid argument against him, especially since Jackson outperformed his two previous MVP seasons. But I don’t think it’s hard to make the case that this was Allen’s most impactful season as the Bills’ quarterback. His counting stats were down in large part because of a philosophical shift in the Buffalo offense, not because he suddenly got worse at passing. Allen was always able to turn on the superhero switch when he wanted to and when the Bills needed a clutch play, but in 2024, the Bills’ first option wasn’t “hey Josh, just go do something.” 
 

The result was the most efficient version of Allen we’ve ever seen, with career highs in adjusted net yards per attempt, QBR and expected points added (EPA) per dropback. Allen also had better luck on turnovers this season. He had career lows in interceptions (six) and fumbles (five). He also took a career-low number of sacks. If his perceived recklessness with the football was one thing that had held him back from serious MVP consideration in the past, well, he answered that question this season. 
 

And he did it while leading the Bills to the no. 2 seed in the AFC in what most of us thought would be a reset year for Buffalo after the Bills traded away star wide receiver Stefon Diggs and moved on from several prominent defensive players in cost-saving moves. Value is impossible to cleanly define, but Allen earned this award. It felt impossible to choose, and nearly as hard to justify, but I stand by it. There was no voter fatigue for me, no boredom in a repeat winner, or hesitancy to pick Jackson for a third time. 
 

I understand that plenty of people will not agree with this decision-making process, including many of my peers and fellow voters. Maybe some of them felt voting for Jackson was an easy call, and I get it: He was electrifying, and took his already incredible game to a new level. His stats are undeniable. I’m not sure there would have been an entirely satisfying outcome, though I suppose it feels fitting that an MVP race that felt so tight during the season remained so until the very (surprising) end. End of article

 

I’ve never heard of this lady before … but what a magnificent article… couldn’t have put it any better myself 😎

Edited 2 hours ago by Aussie Joe

[Beck Water]

15 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Wasn’t Chris simms saying Lamar had it locked up because he won first team all pro? Interesting 

 

I believe Chris was simply pointing out the historical trends in the voting - it's been literally more than a decade since the 1st team all-pro QB hasn't won MVP.

 

 

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

That's a good writeup although I don't really think anyone has to justify his/her selection at this point.   There were compelling arguments for both QBs.  I thought she might point out that had Allen taken an equal number of snaps, the raw stats that everyone sees on paper would be closer.   Plus the Bills game plan shut down Allen after week 15, while Lamar played meaningful games for the division right through the end of week 18.  

Unfortunately, SEVERAL AP voters have felt the need to defend/explain their Josh pick since last night, because they're all receiving a bunch of backlash and mockery from everyone from Dominique Foxworth on ESPN's Get Up, to Mike Florio of PFT, and on and on.

As far as I can tell, the vast majority of AP voters take their job very seriously, and several of them have mentioned poring over multiple games and All-22 and agonizing over their decisions. Only for people who DON'T do that (like Foxworth and Florio) to act holier than though and cast aspersions on anyone who dared to have a different opinion than them.

The discourse throughout this MVP race was highly toxic, and it continues to be so. I'm glad the race is over and Josh won, but that doesn't mean the chuckleheads are gonna back off their ill-informed stances or sophomoric insults.