Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 7 Posted February 7 47 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Playing non stop soft zone with our personnel in the secondary and our lack of pass rush, was one of the dumbest ideas of the McD era. Hopefully this represents a big change in philosophy! The chiefs only throw short quick stuff. Can’t push it down the field and won’t hurt you deep….this guy was playing CBs 9 yards off. The only thing NOT to do. It’s inconceivable how bad our coaching is on the defensive side of the ball. And that’s what this HC does lol coach the D 2 1 Quote
Spiderweb Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said: Playing non stop soft zone with our personnel in the secondary and our lack of pass rush, was one of the dumbest ideas of the McD era. Hopefully this represents a big change in philosophy! Any coverage without some pass rush is doomed to fail. Teams with secondaries rated well, generally are recipients of a solid or better pass rush as that's where it all begins. 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 On 2/6/2025 at 3:20 PM, MikePJ76 said: is this a serious post? You think that is grounds for firing a Defensive coordinator in his second year? Dorsey got fired in his 2nd year. I personally think Babich is on the hot seat Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 10 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Dorsey got fired in his 2nd year. I personally think Babich is on the hot seat Yes he deserved it. He should have been fired at halftime of the broncos game not after it. didferent situation. 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said: Yes he deserved it. He should have been fired at halftime of the broncos game not after it. didferent situation. Why is it different? What has Babich proved in this league that says he should be given a long leash? NFL stands for "not for long". I strongly feel that If in the first half of the season the bills defence continues to be bottom 5 on 3rd down percentage and giving up 1st downs, he will be out of a job like Ken Dorsey- Or at the very least will be stripped from his play calling. Edited February 8 by BillsFan130 Quote
Allen2Moulds Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Our defense needs a face-lift. We still lack speed and athleticism, and size/strength in our front 7. I think we all saw the potential our defense has with an elite pass rusher (von pre acl), and believe we have to go all out to land a premier pass rusher. We need to start treating it like a QB. If we don't have this, nothing else matters. It's a lot easier to plug any other hole on defense through FA, or even day 2/3 of the draft. The dline is the final thing to fix, to finally get over the hump. It took way too long to build an oline good enough to win the SB. Now it's time to do the same with the dline. Let's not wait another 5 years, or it'll be over for us. Quote
Don Otreply Posted February 8 Posted February 8 We need to stop giving up easy yards, with the pass defense, the constant playing off the LOS at five and more yards must stop, good teams just march down the field on us eating the clock and keeping our offense off the field, we have been doing this for years now, Hopefully the new guy can help with this, 🤞 Quote
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 8 Posted February 8 20 hours ago, Spiderweb said: Any coverage without some pass rush is doomed to fail. Teams with secondaries rated well, generally are recipients of a solid or better pass rush as that's where it all begins. You aren’t going to get there. The game has changed. You have to blitz or you have to cover. Nobody is touching these good QBs the ball is out way to fast. Even our own QB never gets sacked. The people thinking traditional lineman are going to win and get to these top QBs aren’t paying attention. You aren’t. It’s not even new. Even Brady was that way. The ball is gone before you’ll get there. You have to blitz and you have to confuse them Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Why is it different? What has Babich proved in this league that says he should be given a long leash? NFL stands for "not for long". I strongly feel that If in the first half of the season the bills defence continues to be bottom 5 on 3rd down percentage and giving up 1st downs, he will be out of a job like Ken Dorsey- Or at the very least will be stripped from his play calling. Babbich didn't do anything wrong. The team went to the afc championship game, played a great game against detroit and baltimore two basically unstoppable offenses. They just came up short in KC. He needs better players. Dorsey on the other hand just kind of fell into the job when daboll left. Then after the team rebuilt the offense to run the ball refused to do it. What he did in that broncos game on mnf two years ago was coaching malpractice. Absolutely not simliar in any way. Missing rapp and benford yet again in the chiefs playoff game was a major issue. Two years in a row. Quote
BillsFan130 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: Babbich didn't do anything wrong. The team went to the afc championship game, played a great game against detroit and baltimore two basically unstoppable offenses. They just came up short in KC. He needs better players. Dorsey on the other hand just kind of fell into the job when daboll left. Then after the team rebuilt the offense to run the ball refused to do it. What he did in that broncos game on mnf two years ago was coaching malpractice. Absolutely not simliar in any way. Missing rapp and benford yet again in the chiefs playoff game was a major issue. Two years in a row. Bills defence was a mess this year. 29th on 3rd downs, 16th in red zone, and gave up the 4th most first downs. The turnovers saved them from being a complete disaster as they just couldn't force stops. It's very similar- Both were rookie coordinators. Both had some good, but mostly bad moments in their rookie year. Both were/are entering year 2 with a lot to prove . If the bills defence continues to struggle and he gets some sort of demotion mid way through 2025, remember this conversation. For now, we will just have to agree to disagree and we'll have to see how it plays out 1 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Looking at this again. I am hoping McDermott is going to make the change to a more aggressive/ man coverage defense. This guy seems to know how to successfully implement this. Our offseason approach to the players we bring in needs a major shift to this philosophy. 1 Quote
Chandler#81 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Fantastic acquisition! He’s a great Dline strategist! We’re already better Defensively! 2 Quote
3rdand12 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 On 2/6/2025 at 8:22 PM, JP51 said: You can call it euphemistaclly what you like problem, continuous improvement, pre goal, opportunity to improve et al... defense isn't good enough and bringing a new set of eyes in in my opinion is very positive I agree On 2/7/2025 at 7:54 AM, Magox said: Possibly but I don't believe likely. I believe it's more likely that they seek their starting CB to pair with Benford through FA. The Bills are too close to winning it all to entrust a rookie in that critical role. I think there is going to be more of a sense of urgency from Beane this year. Fair point about such a position as CB. Which is a Need. Be very interesting what tweaks show up next season 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 5 hours ago, Don Otreply said: We need to stop giving up easy yards, with the pass defense, the constant playing off the LOS at five and more yards must stop, good teams just march down the field on us eating the clock and keeping our offense off the field, we have been doing this for years now, Hopefully the new guy can help with this, 🤞 I would think we had the players who could learn to use their hands and play better leverage in the first five yards. Even Rapp and Hamlin coming down and D Line. What happened to getting those hands up in the passing lanes. That should be part of the design on the short , mid stuff. Did not see that being coached this past season Much work to be done. 2 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 8 Posted February 8 13 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I would think we had the players who could learn to use their hands and play better leverage in the first five yards. Even Rapp and Hamlin coming down and D Line. What happened to getting those hands up in the passing lanes. That should be part of the design on the short , mid stuff. Did not see that being coached this past season Much work to be done. Hamlin should be gone. He is average at best and it's time for the rookie to step up 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Hamlin should be gone. He is average at best and it's time for the rookie to step up Until his competition proves itself , i won't make that call. But yea Bills need to improve at both safety positions. Gone ? I think they could both stay in the mix at reasonable rate. Like to see Bishop step up into starter , Earn it I mean 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Momma Pecoraro said: Cheap Trick rulez! It is Rick not Ryan 🤣 So close 😋 Edited February 8 by 3rdand12 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 8 Posted February 8 4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Looking at this again. I am hoping McDermott is going to make the change to a more aggressive/ man coverage defense. This guy seems to know how to successfully implement this. Our offseason approach to the players we bring in needs a major shift to this philosophy. Guys... we tried to play man coverage vs the Chiefs. We got torn apart. The Bills played more man coverage in its final two games of 2024 (Baltimore and KC) than in any two consecutive games of the McDemott era. This narrative that the problem is zone coverage has to stop. It is utter, utter, hogwash. 2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Hamlin should be gone. He is average at best and it's time for the rookie to step up Agree on Hamlin. Unfortunately Bishop does not play that position. He is a Rapp alternative. We still need a free safety. 2 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 9 Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Guys... we tried to play man coverage vs the Chiefs. We got torn apart. The Bills played more man coverage in its final two games of 2024 (Baltimore and KC) than in any two consecutive games of the McDemott era. This narrative that the problem is zone coverage has to stop. It is utter, utter, hogwash. Agree on Hamlin. Unfortunately Bishop does not play that position. He is a Rapp alternative. We still need a free safety. Hey, hey, hey! There will be no washing of the Hogs here good sir! 🙂 We have to make a change. 8 years of zone have gotten us nowhere 1 1 1 Quote
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