Run it back on offense...

[folz]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

 

 

Ok, I actually watched the whole video.

 

This analysis is from one person only (Steve Smith). The video is from week 9 or 10. Keon had only played 8 games as a rookie and had 36 total targets. Smith admits that he didn't like him coming out of college, so, he of course is also wanting to confirm his bias. He also says things like, "Am I being critical, yes, but prior to the trade for Amari Cooper, this is a guy that they said was going to replace Stefon Diggs." No one expected him to replace Diggs. Different types of receivers, Bills offense was going in a different direction (bigger, stronger WRs), he wasn't expected to perform as a #1 WR (Bills were easing him in his rookie year). So, that already calls into question his analysis. Also, when this video was made, Keon's last two games he had just gone for 170 yards and a TD. No mention of that. Keon was coming on at that point (just before the injury). Maybe Steve wanted to keep his pre-draft analysis relevant. 

 

Now, does he have some points about Keon's footwork, or strength at the line, or whatever, sure, yeah, Keon probably has a lot to improve on/get coached up on. He was a rookie with only 8 games under his belt.

 

BUT, Smith's film analysis consisted of 5 plays:

Play 1: It does look like Keon is the #1 read, he does not get clean/great separation. But Steve says himself, it's not Keon's fault that Josh didn't go to him, because the LBer cracking down on the RB closed the window. So, play one...could be better technique, but not his fault. Play went to Shakir for 6 yards, close to a first down.

Play 2: He's against Jalen Ramsey (a very good CB). Josh drops the snap, so the play is already busted from the get-go. Jalen jams Keon good, but then Keon releases and is actually wide open down the field, but Josh does't get him the ball. Steve says, "Does he win in the end? Yeah, but..." Can't quite tell from the video, but it looks like the play goes to Shakir for a first down on the scramble drill. And in the end, Keon won against Ramsey and was open, so...

Play 3: Keon is on the far right. Josh reads the field from left to right, hitting Shakir, his third read, over the middle. Again, could Keon's footwork have been better on his route, sure, but he was at best, the 4th read on the play. And the play went for a 16-yard completion and first down to Shakir.

Play 4: Again, Josh starts reading the field from the opposite side of Keon. So, again, Keon is probably the 4th read. When Josh got to his second read, he started to run, because the line was collapsing. Josh scrambles for like 6 yards and the first.

[With both plays 3 and 4 Smith and the host say things like, Josh isn't even looking at him...even when the play breaks down, Josh isn't looking for his big man. Smith actually says, "the quarterback isn't even looking at him...the QB is like I'm playing 10 on 11." Josh wasn't looking at him because he was like the 4th read in the progression.]

Play 5: Is a Coleman reception. A beautiful 23-yard sideline catch. Steve starts out by saying, "This is a good play, but..." "Does he make the catch, yes, great catch, but..."

 

So, the really bad plays he has to show us are: one great catch, another play he wins on a scramble drill but Josh doesn't find him, another play that Smith says wasn't Keon's fault, and two plays where he was like the 4th read in the play (not to mention that all 5 of those plays still ended up being positive plays for the Bills---4 of them went for first downs). Tough to take his analysis too seriously---despite agreeing that Keon probably does need to work on his technique. But, that's for all rookies really.

[transplantbillsfan]

10 hours ago, Pete said:

Coleman is on the team, obviously. Good rookie season

 

82 catches on 112 targets for  1147 yards and 7 TDs- thats a great rookie WR season.  Not Keon, though, Ladd McConkey- they WR we passed on.  Thats a good season.  7 catches in last 21 attempts- that is a pathetic rookie season!

also, they say this is the deepest RB class ever.  I love Ty, and would like him back.  But if he gets paid elsewhere, Im happy for him.  Draft his replacement

 

Keon was on pace for about 800 yards before he got injured in the 2nd Dolphins game.  That's a good rookie season.  That's a Gabe Davis year 3 and year 4 season.

 

Ummmm.... 82 catches for 1147 yards and 7 TDs is a GREAT rookie WR season... maybe historically great.

 

You have ridiculous expectations if that's what you think a rookie WR should get.

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Cooper is going to be 32 next year...as much as you'd like to think he will be the same player, he likely won't be...Father Time is undefeated. Don't pay premium prices for declining assets. Same reason people who buy brand new cars are fools.

 

No... he turns 31 on June 17th.

 

Cooper has an unbelievable work ethic that's been widely covered by his previous coaches.  I still think he has a few more productive years left.

 

Plenty of WRs have been very good into their mid 30s and Cooper is still just in his early 30s.

[VW82]

There are fit issues with Amari imo. Despite his physical profile, we seemed to use him mostly on passing downs. Guys need to be able to excel both in run and pass game to really work in this offense, with Shakir being a notable exception. 
 

If Amari is prepared to take a short-term role player deal then sure. I doubt he’s going to do that. Sometimes it’s best to just move on. 
 

 

[Governor]

I would just continue to sign veterans each year for Cooper’s spot. 1 young 1 old at WR. Maybe we’ll find one that has 2 seasons left.  Cooper can go elsewhere. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Governor

[Pasaluki]

I'd be willing to give Cooper a year deal if he'd take it or possibly willing to extend if he'd take less to stay with us.  I feel like his and Josh's chemistry can develop further and honestly he has a very mature attitude. 

[Patrick Duffy]

13 minutes ago, VW82 said:

There are fit issues with Amari imo. Despite his physical profile, we seemed to use him mostly on passing downs. Guys need to be able to excel both in run and pass game to really work in this offense, with Shakir being a notable exception. 
 

If Amari is prepared to take a short-term role player deal then sure. I doubt he’s going to do that. Sometimes it’s best to just move on. 
 

 

 

I don't know how much it had to do with his age now and being injuried had more to do with it

[billsfan89]

Not disagreeing, I would however like to upgrade Cooper and add a few fringe development pieces. A new TE3, a developmental guard, and a back end depth WR could be filled via late round picks. But I think this team has to replace Cooper with a consistent boundary WR. I don't hate Cooper but he's older and I would want a younger piece for Josh there. 

[BillytheKid]

The people that think the Bills need a wide receiver are just dumb and don’t understand football. 
 

The team averaged over 30 ppg on offense. You aren’t going to do any better than that by getting another WR.

 

The issue is entirely the defense. If the Bills could stop anyone on defense they would win the AFC and go to the SB.

 

If you want to trade for a speedster at WR that is fine but only after you have stacked up the defense.

 

How many more points do you think the offense will average by getting another WR? It won’t be more or much more than 30 ppg. The Bills offense was one of the top 5 offenses all time in points per drive this year.

 

You need guys on the defense that can hold teams under 20 ppg. Without that you won’t ever win the AFC. You can’t just hope to outscore everyone every single game. 
 

Getting another WR won’t do anything at this point but take catches away from someone else where they probably would have scored anyways based on this year. 
 

Some people need to use their heads and pull them out of their behinds.  

Edited 22 minutes ago by BillytheKid

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Calling veteran posters “dumb” because they have a differing opinion than you should go really well for you, Mr. 59 posts 😂

[Freddie's Dead]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They need a cheap WR1. I wish they went up for Brian Thomas JR. We need to find a WR1 on a rookie contract.  

Adding a $20+ million Wr isn’t happening.

 

 

Then 2025 will be another lost season.