Run it back on offense...

[MrEpsYtown]

I really wish we would actually draft BPA and not for need. That is why we don't have any blue chippers aside from Josh. I know Beane says they draft BPA, but they do not. 

 

Let me preface this by saying I like Keon Coleman and he will eventually be very good IMO. I know it's easy to say in hindsight, the trade down was fine last year, but Cooper DeJean was just sitting there, a blue chip DB prospect. To me, DeJean was a top 10-15 pick who fell. Mike Sainristil was there, T'Vondre Sweat, Braden Fiske. Those guys could have all helped us in that KC game.

 

I think they cornered themselves into having to take a WR in round 1 and they kind of lost sight of things. What is insane is that they had an entire day to think it over and still drafted for need. Hey Josh, we are taking a wide receiver in the first round, which one do you want? That's how we are building our draft board? It's just so short-sighted.

 

They could have easily grabbed one of those defensive guys and maybe drafted Jalen McMillan or Troy Franklin later. The irony is that both those guys made some flashes as deep down-field threats, field stretchers, the kind of guys fans feel this team needs. 

 

Late first-round picks are for drafting guys who the rest of the league was too stupid on and they fell. When the Steelers drafted Watt they had an older James Harrison, Bud Dupree...Watt was coming in as a rotational guy...was it a need? Sure, but it wasn't their most immediate need.

 

The Bills need to be thinking BPA and nothing else. There is not enough true talent on this team for them to continue to draft for need. 

 

Plug holes in free agency and please actually draft BPA.

[HamptonBillsfan]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

and focus on Defense almost entirely.

 

UFAs: Amari Cooper, Reggie Gilliam, Ty Johnson 

 

Over a week to reflect on that loss and the personell on our team is pretty clearly lacking on Defense, not offense.

 

OL: 100% set. I don't even see a single OL from the 53 man roster who won't be on there again next year.

 

For all the criticism Beane has been getting, applaud him for a pretty awesome OL... both starters and depth.

 

QB: obviously it's JA17 and who cares other than maybe money and who gives him the best vibes.

 

TE: set. Knox and Kincaid are pretty much roster locks. Morris and Davidson can fight it out for TE3 even though it'll probably be Morris.

 

RB: obviously Cook and Davis. Team loves Gilliam so I assume they're going to work something out. Ty Johnson is the wildcard. He was honestly really good this year and might be the only offensive player we're going to see leave. I do think Ray Davis has a similar skillset and if he absorbed anything from Ty, I hope it's pass blocking. Hope Cook absorbed that, too.

 

(Side note: extend Cook and create an offense that is Cook-centric in BOTH the run and pass game the way Thurm was in the 90s)

 

Wide Receiver: Here's the one everyone is up in arms about, but after McBeane's presser I feel differently.

 

Shakir is great and I hope Beane finds a way to lock him up long term on a deal good for both sides. He's obviously Josh's favorite target and they have great chemistry that can grow.

 

Samuel is on the team, contractually. He flashed when he was healthy. If he can stay healthy, he has great separation skills and speed.

 

Coleman is on the team, obviously. Good rookie season and getting better up til he got hurt. Then we all heard McBeane's comments. They had their exit interview and told Keon what they needed to. Work hard in the offseason (with the next 2 dudes) Keon.

 

Mack Hollins seems like a guy who isn't chasing money. Sign him, please. Awesome special teamer who legitimately plays the WR position well and has awesome perspective for the other guys.

 

Amari Cooper is the most controversial, but I think we should keep him. He was playing with a wrist injured enough that doctors said he could use surgery. First thing about him is his attitude. He's the anti-WR... just listen to his interviews. And he seems to love Buffalo. I heard someone say he's estimated at $15m per year? That's too much. I also doubt that's reality. I could see us re-signing him to a 2 year $18-$20 million deal and I'd be good with that. In the 90s Buffalo traded for a #2 WR who was 33 years old and that worked out pretty well. I think a healthy Amari Cooper with a full offseason with Buffalo would make for a much improved WR corps on its own.

 

At that point, it's playcalling not personell.

 

It's on you Brady!

 

GO BILLS!!!

No way they let Ty go. He’s much to productive as a 3rd down playmaker both running and out of the backfield creating mismatches. Josh loves him and we used him perfectly. He won’t too expensive and he wants to be here.

[OldTimer1960]

A little early to completely write Coleman off as a bust, but I would not count on him either.  Address the offseason as though Coleman isn’t on the team - anything they get out of him next year should be considered a bonus.  That said, this looks to be a pretty weak WR draft class.  I’m not sure that the top WR in this class would have been in the top 6 last year.  I think any receiver that they might find available at end of round 1 will have a ceiling of an average to maybe above average NFL receiver and there will very likely be better defensive players available at each of their first 3 picks, so I’m not holding my breath expecting much WR help this offseason.

6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I really wish we would actually draft BPA and not for need. That is why we don't have any blue chippers aside from Josh. I know Beane says they draft BPA, but they do not. 

 

Let me preface this by saying I like Keon Coleman and he will eventually be very good IMO. I know it's easy to say in hindsight, the trade down was fine last year, but Cooper DeJean was just sitting there, a blue chip DB prospect. To me, DeJean was a top 10-15 pick who fell. Mike Sainristil was there, T'Vondre Sweat, Braden Fiske. Those guys could have all helped us in that KC game.

 

I think they cornered themselves into having to take a WR in round 1 and they kind of lost sight of things. What is insane is that they had an entire day to think it over and still drafted for need. Hey Josh, we are taking a wide receiver in the first round, which one do you want? That's how we are building our draft board? It's just so short-sighted.

 

They could have easily grabbed one of those defensive guys and maybe drafted Jalen McMillan or Troy Franklin later. The irony is that both those guys made some flashes as deep down-field threats, field stretchers, the kind of guys fans feel this team needs. 

 

Late first-round picks are for drafting guys who the rest of the league was too stupid on and they fell. When the Steelers drafted Watt they had an older James Harrison, Bud Dupree...Watt was coming in as a rotational guy...was it a need? Sure, but it wasn't their most immediate need.

 

The Bills need to be thinking BPA and nothing else. There is not enough true talent on this team for them to continue to draft for need. 

 

Plug holes in free agency and please actually draft BPA.

Agree for the most part and that probably means no WR before the 4th round this year.

[Don Otreply]

13 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

yep.  Pretty much our only need on offense, but it’s a big one.

Agree, opponents Ds crowded the middle knowing that we had no viable vertical threat, we definitely need a speed guy that can run a full route tree, that would make a big impact for us,

[harmonkillebrew]

On Amari, it's really all about the $$.  If he will re-sign for a reasonable amount than he's probably better than anything else we can get, given the need to use FA$ on the D. But if he goes shopping, I'm not sure he displayed enough for us to sink top $.  

[BillsVet]

McBeane running it back has proven insufficient multiple times over and that includes the schemes they run on both side along with personnel decisions.  

 

The mentality of doing what got you to the final game and not changing is infecting the entire organization.  There's not been a serious evaluation of the football side since McD brought Beane in 8 years ago.  Lot of high character, lesser talented players.  Safe and predictable scheme on both sides.    

 

McD might have upped his HC game in 2024, but Beane is still pursuing roster decisions with the same careful mindset he's typically had for years now.  They don't need a splash move, but a series of really good moves which facilitate better play on both sides.  

 

[Sgt. Ski]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

and focus on Defense almost entirely.

 

UFAs: Amari Cooper, Reggie Gilliam, Ty Johnson 

 

Over a week to reflect on that loss and the personell on our team is pretty clearly lacking on Defense, not offense.

 

OL: 100% set. I don't even see a single OL from the 53 man roster who won't be on there again next year.

 

For all the criticism Beane has been getting, applaud him for a pretty awesome OL... both starters and depth.

 

QB: obviously it's JA17 and who cares other than maybe money and who gives him the best vibes.

 

TE: set. Knox and Kincaid are pretty much roster locks. Morris and Davidson can fight it out for TE3 even though it'll probably be Morris.

 

RB: obviously Cook and Davis. Team loves Gilliam so I assume they're going to work something out. Ty Johnson is the wildcard. He was honestly really good this year and might be the only offensive player we're going to see leave. I do think Ray Davis has a similar skillset and if he absorbed anything from Ty, I hope it's pass blocking. Hope Cook absorbed that, too.

 

(Side note: extend Cook and create an offense that is Cook-centric in BOTH the run and pass game the way Thurm was in the 90s)

 

Wide Receiver: Here's the one everyone is up in arms about, but after McBeane's presser I feel differently.

 

Shakir is great and I hope Beane finds a way to lock him up long term on a deal good for both sides. He's obviously Josh's favorite target and they have great chemistry that can grow.

 

Samuel is on the team, contractually. He flashed when he was healthy. If he can stay healthy, he has great separation skills and speed.

 

Coleman is on the team, obviously. Good rookie season and getting better up til he got hurt. Then we all heard McBeane's comments. They had their exit interview and told Keon what they needed to. Work hard in the offseason (with the next 2 dudes) Keon.

 

Mack Hollins seems like a guy who isn't chasing money. Sign him, please. Awesome special teamer who legitimately plays the WR position well and has awesome perspective for the other guys.

 

Amari Cooper is the most controversial, but I think we should keep him. He was playing with a wrist injured enough that doctors said he could use surgery. First thing about him is his attitude. He's the anti-WR... just listen to his interviews. And he seems to love Buffalo. I heard someone say he's estimated at $15m per year? That's too much. I also doubt that's reality. I could see us re-signing him to a 2 year $18-$20 million deal and I'd be good with that. In the 90s Buffalo traded for a #2 WR who was 33 years old and that worked out pretty well. I think a healthy Amari Cooper with a full offseason with Buffalo would make for a much improved WR corps on its own.

 

At that point, it's playcalling not personell.

 

It's on you Brady!

 

GO BILLS!!!

WE need to keep ty on the team.. he is the fastest guy on the team!

[Don Otreply]

11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I really wish we would actually draft BPA and not for need. That is why we don't have any blue chippers aside from Josh. I know Beane says they draft BPA, but they do not. 

 

Let me preface this by saying I like Keon Coleman and he will eventually be very good IMO. I know it's easy to say in hindsight, the trade down was fine last year, but Cooper DeJean was just sitting there, a blue chip DB prospect. To me, DeJean was a top 10-15 pick who fell. Mike Sainristil was there, T'Vondre Sweat, Braden Fiske. Those guys could have all helped us in that KC game.

 

I think they cornered themselves into having to take a WR in round 1 and they kind of lost sight of things. What is insane is that they had an entire day to think it over and still drafted for need. Hey Josh, we are taking a wide receiver in the first round, which one do you want? That's how we are building our draft board? It's just so short-sighted.

 

They could have easily grabbed one of those defensive guys and maybe drafted Jalen McMillan or Troy Franklin later. The irony is that both those guys made some flashes as deep down-field threats, field stretchers, the kind of guys fans feel this team needs. 

 

Late first-round picks are for drafting guys who the rest of the league was too stupid on and they fell. When the Steelers drafted Watt they had an older James Harrison, Bud Dupree...Watt was coming in as a rotational guy...was it a need? Sure, but it wasn't their most immediate need.

 

The Bills need to be thinking BPA and nothing else. There is not enough true talent on this team for them to continue to draft for need. 

 

Plug holes in free agency and please actually draft BPA.

I hear what you’re saying, but all teams draft for “need” all the time, BPA as some fans view it is a myth, we “need” a vertical threat WR, we “need”help at several positions on defense, it is and always has been BPA at positions of “need” yes, we “need” high quality players at those positions of need, we don’t need a RB that may be the mythical BPA, it’s all about recognizing one’s actual needs, our D had needs, that you recognized Beane didn’t see that way or whatever happened, can’t say the season was terrible, but our player evaluations /needs, needs to be revamped, lol, 😁👍

[tigerthelion]

9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I hear what you’re saying, but all teams draft for “need” all the time, BPA as some fans view it is a myth, we “need” a vertical threat WR, we “need”help at several positions on defense, it is and always has been BPA at positions of “need” yes, we “need” high quality players at those positions of need, we don’t need a RB that may be the mythical BPA, it’s all about recognizing one’s actual needs, our D had needs, that you recognized Beane didn’t see that way or whatever happened, can’t say the season was terrible, but our player evaluations /needs, needs to be revamped, lol, 😁👍

Yes, positional need definitely has to be taken into account during the draft.  I don't like forcing picks just for need, though. Elam and Coleman seemed forced, and both have turned out to be complete duds so far.  If Buffalo needed a speed threat on the outside, why draft a slow, unpolished WR like Coleman just because WR was a need?  If they couldn't move up for a guy like Brian Thomas Jr., then they would have been better off taking BPA in my opinion .  They could have picked up a WR in round four or five that could likely give them as much as Coleman.  Seems like Beane doesn't like having speed on the team for some reason.  

[Mister Defense]

Excellent OP.

 

I agree with all that you say except don't understand your points on Ty Johnson.  Yes, like all of the running backs this year, underutilized in the running and passing game, but he is an excellent weapon when used correctly.  It seems almost every time he touches the ball, whether running or passing, he makes a very positive play for the offense.

 

I agree with the Cooper, idea, and the price you mention.  I bet that will happen.  If he still looks anything like he looked in Cleveland, when he's healthy again, he will be a superb weapon.  Reminds me of a bigger Shakir or Beasley, but getting open in the intermediate range more.  Great route runner and separator. If he still has those traits, a no brainer.

 

But the Bills will still get a top tier wide receiver, in free agency or the draft.  Leaning toward the former, as they want to win now, not wait for a rookie to develop.

 

 

[TheBillsOrDie]

9 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Nah we need a playmaker at WR. Someone that’s going to command a double team. If they can find upgrade to Mack Hollins or Amari Cooper they should do it

It seems like when we needed a big play, Hollins was the guy

[Big Turk]

Cooper is going to be 32 next year...as much as you'd like to think he will be the same player, he likely won't be...Father Time is undefeated. Don't pay premium prices for declining assets. Same reason people who buy brand new cars are fools.

Edited 8 hours ago by Big Turk

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I’ll say the name again, Darius Slayton. Speed, deep threat. Fits the Bills roster build. Won’t be too expensive. There’s also some upside even though he’s 28. Never played with a QB like Allen.

Edited 8 hours ago by Buffalo_Stampede

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

My gut instinct is to to thumbs down this post. It's my belief that we didn't have enough firepower on the Outside to go band for band against KC and that's the main reason we lost. 

 

On the other hand - it's been reported that Amari Cooper was playing through Wrist injury that required surgery:

 

If that's the case, it would explain why he was used so sparingly. If with surgery and a full offseason with the team, they planned on using him as a full time starter - I'd be open to bringing him back. But only in that situation.

 

If that were the case though and they were running it back with a healthy full time Cooper, they had better do something huge in the Defensive Line and/or the Secondary.

 

Yes the injury is w n at I reference in the post and it's really what made me think getting the band back together would be a good idea.

 

He just had 1250 yards last year with Cleveland QBs throwing to him so there was no evidence of decline at that point.

 

He's also a Pro's Pro and might be helpful for Keon this offseason.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, tigerthelion said:

Yes, positional need definitely has to be taken into account during the draft.  I don't like forcing picks just for need, though. Elam and Coleman seemed forced, and both have turned out to be complete duds so far.  If Buffalo needed a speed threat on the outside, why draft a slow, unpolished WR like Coleman just because WR was a need?  If they couldn't move up for a guy like Brian Thomas Jr., then they would have been better off taking BPA in my opinion .  They could have picked up a WR in round four or five that could likely give them as much as Coleman.  Seems like Beane doesn't like having speed on the team for some reason.  

Bean lacks player evaluation skills concerning drafting WRs, this we all know, 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Bean lacks player evaluation skills concerning drafting WRs, this we all know, 

They hit on a couple middle round guys. He’s never really taken a top guy.

 

If he really liked Keon Coleman they wouldn’t have traded back for him. That was a pick they shouldn’t have made.

[JROC INTEL]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

If Samuel is healthy next season he will be a force. He seems to be the forgotten man.

Why didn’t we see much of him? Was he injured a lot?

[Beast]

Just now, JROC INTEL said:

Why didn’t we see much of him? Was he injured a lot?

Yeah, he was basically healing the first half of the season. Never really got a chance to get comfortable within the offense.

[Don Otreply]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They hit on a couple middle round guys. He’s never really taken a top guy.

 

If he really liked Keon Coleman they wouldn’t have traded back for him. That was a pick they shouldn’t have made.

Hopefully Keon becomes more effective going forward, 🤞

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, Beast said:

If Samuel is healthy next season he will be a force. He seems to be the forgotten man.

“if Samuel is healthy” was the title of the documentary about my failing fantasy football teams from 2021-2024.