The type of wide receiver Josh needs

[HamptonBillsfan]

Josh has good enough receivers to win championships right now. Consider, Kincaid was just OK this year, so with an offseason and a chip on his shoulder to prove something, he should put up big #s and Brady will make him a big part of the offense. Coleman will only get better when Josh adjusts to his skill set. Shakir is as solid as any slot receiver in football and Samuel was productive in a limited role but we’ve got to use him better because he was not nearly as  reliable as he was as a primary target.. Finally, with Cook,Johnson and Davis the mismatches are plentiful coming out of the backfield. With these weapons the acquisitions should be all on defense.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Josh has good enough receivers to win championships right now. Consider, Kincaid was just OK this year, so with an offseason and a chip on his shoulder to prove something, he should put up big #s and Brady will make him a big part of the offense. Coleman will only get better when Josh adjusts to his skill set. Shakir is as solid as any slot receiver in football and Samuel was productive in a limited role but we’ve got to use him better because he was not nearly as  reliable as he was as a primary target.. Finally, with Cook,Johnson and Davis the mismatches are plentiful coming out of the backfield. With these weapons the acquisitions should be all on defense.

I mean could we win with what we have yeah 

 

We could have won the last 2 years 

 

But we're not winning enough on the outside and the actual advanced statistics show that 

 

We don't need Randy Moss we need to give Josh better

 

Ty Johnson didn't even catch 3 balls in the biggest game of the year... Our wide receivers got very little separation .. we don't have the worst but Josh needs better

Edited 2 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Luther burden III

 

Missouri 

 

Production fell this year but he is a natural hands catcher.. super explosive off the line creating instant separation .. offers yac.. plays bigger than his size.. not 4.3 fast like Jackson... Probably 4.43 but like Odell he goes up

 

Matthew golden 

 

Texas 

 

Super savvy route runner for a guy with his electric speed, fights for balls at the top, creates quick separation but he shows a higg IQ in his route saviness

 

 

Hopefully we can get him in the third after we pay for Myles Garrett  🌟🌟

 

 

[Chandler#81]

I’ll take Cooper Kupp!

 

[The Jokeman]

Depends how fast he runs,  Arian Smith from Georgia could be available with one of our 2nds. Yet I'm not one to put WR as a top 3 need.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Depends how fast he runs,  Arian Smith from Georgia could be available with one of our 2nds. Yet I'm not one to put WR as a top 3 need.

When our entire offense is hand the ball off.. Josh runs 

 

Or Josh improvises to make things open down field that's not an easy recipe 

 

We need Josh being able to get rid of the ball in 2 seconds consistently.. so when he improvises it has a bigger effect 

 

We can't go into next year with Keon Coleman and shakir as our top two

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’ll take Cooper Kupp!

 

Kupp is a big slot and is 31 and hasn't played a full season since his monster 2021 season. No thanks his salary probably force us to lose Shakir and/or Benford.

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

When our entire offense is hand the ball off.. Josh runs 

 

Or Josh improvises to make things open down field that's not an easy recipe 

 

We need Josh being able to get rid of the ball in 2 seconds consistently.. so when he improvises it has a bigger effect 

 

We can't go into next year with Keon Coleman and shakir as our top two

I'm hoping somehow Cooper comes back. That said if he leaves Mack is a must return and add a veteran. Darius Slayton is one of those veteran WR that a guy that could be a top 2/3 guy that can play in the outside who could bring in speed without breaking the bank.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean could we win with what we have yeah 

 

We could have won the last 2 years 

 

But we're not winning enough on the outside and the actual advanced statistics show that 

 

We don't need Randy Moss we need to give Josh better

 

Ty Johnson didn't even catch 3 balls in the biggest game of the year... Our wide receivers got very little separation .. we don't have the worst but Josh needs better

I'm at the point where I agree. We have to inject talent in places where we can excel in the playoffs, and having better pass catchers strengthens a strength. Otherwise it seems we'll be good in the regular season and "have a chance" in the post season. We need someone to raise Joshs's game and overcome the coaching deficiency we're seeing instead of relying on Josh to raise everyone else's. 

 

[finn]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

In retrospect, I don't think there's a single Bills fan who wouldn't have been okay giving up an additional high pick or two to move up five spots for this guy.

Would've given Josh a locked-in high end #1 with size, speed, and explosiveness for the next decade. 

I get that Beane felt the roster needed to be rebuilt with depth last offseason and was thus hesitant to give up draft capital, but no one can convince me that Coleman plus, say, Dewayne Carter and another mid round pick would be worth more to this team's championship pursuits than a bona fide alpha WR1.

Three years ago, Beane, needing a cornerback, panicked and traded a fourth rounder to move up to pick 23 for Elam, a bust, after KC traded a third and fourth to move up to 21 for MacDuffie, an All-Pro. The following year, needing a tight end, he traded a fourth to move up for Kincaid at 25, leaving Detroit to take LaPorta, a Pro Bowler, in the second round. Last year, needing a wide receiver, he declined to trade up to 23 for Thomas or stay put for Worthy, opting to trade down for Coleman. 

 

In sum, instead of Elam, Kincaid, and Coleman, he could have had MacDuffie, LaPorta, and Thomas. Say that out loud for full effect. 

[london_bills]

Seeing as the browns are dealing, What about Jerry Jeudy?

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, finn said:

Three years ago, Beane, needing a cornerback, panicked and traded a fourth rounder to move up to pick 23 for Elam, a bust, after KC traded a third and fourth to move up to 21 for MacDuffie, an All-Pro. The following year, needing a tight end, he traded a fourth to move up for Kincaid at 25, leaving Detroit to take LaPorta, a Pro Bowler, in the second round. Last year, needing a wide receiver, he declined to trade up to 23 for Thomas or stay put for Worthy, opting to trade down for Coleman. 

 

In sum, instead of Elam, Kincaid, and Coleman, he could have had MacDuffie, LaPorta, and Thomas. Say that out loud for full effect. 

I'll post this again...

 

It takes two teams to trade. People keep talking about this like Beane can just trade up if we wants to, without taking other teams into account. Take a look at the picks between when Jacksonville traded back with Minnesota and when they picked Thomas Jr. and find a trade partner that wasn't filling a glaring need.

 

17 Minnesota Vikings Dallas Turner DE Alabama

18 Cincinnati Bengals Amarius Mims OT

19 Los Angeles Rams Jared Verse †DE

20 Pittsburgh Steelers Troy Fautanu OT

21 Miami Dolphins Chop Robinson DE

22 Philadelphia Eagles Quinyon Mitchell CB

23 Jacksonville JaguarsBrian Thomas Jr. †WR

 

Cincinnati has been trying to build an OL for years and had to address it there. Same goes with Pittsburgh. The rams had just lost Aaron Donald and needed pass rush in the worst way. The Eagles were rebuilding a secondary in a single draft and would have never moved from there with the best CB in the draft on the board. That leave the Fins. They probably would never trade with us. For all we know, Beane was trying to get up to take Thomas Jr.. 

 

[finn]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

I'll post this again...

 

It takes two teams to trade. People keep talking about this like Beane can just trade up if we wants to, without taking other teams into account. Take a look at the picks between when Jacksonville traded back with Minnesota and when they picked Thomas Jr. and find a trade partner that wasn't filling a glaring need.

 

17 Minnesota Vikings Dallas Turner DE Alabama

18 Cincinnati Bengals Amarius Mims OT

19 Los Angeles Rams Jared Verse †DE

20 Pittsburgh Steelers Troy Fautanu OT

21 Miami Dolphins Chop Robinson DE

22 Philadelphia Eagles Quinyon Mitchell CB

23 Jacksonville JaguarsBrian Thomas Jr. †WR

 

Cincinnati has been trying to build an OL for years and had to address it there. Same goes with Pittsburgh. The rams had just lost Aaron Donald and needed pass rush in the worst way. The Eagles were rebuilding a secondary in a single draft and would have never moved from there with the best CB in the draft on the board. That leave the Fins. They probably would never trade with us. For all we know, Beane was trying to get up to take Thomas Jr.. 

 

Good point. It's easy to kvetch, especially with hindsight. And maybe Kincaid and Coleman will work out. Maybe. 

[The Jokeman]

23 minutes ago, finn said:

Three years ago, Beane, needing a cornerback, panicked and traded a fourth rounder to move up to pick 23 for Elam, a bust, after KC traded a third and fourth to move up to 21 for MacDuffie, an All-Pro. The following year, needing a tight end, he traded a fourth to move up for Kincaid at 25, leaving Detroit to take LaPorta, a Pro Bowler, in the second round. Last year, needing a wide receiver, he declined to trade up to 23 for Thomas or stay put for Worthy, opting to trade down for Coleman. 

 

In sum, instead of Elam, Kincaid, and Coleman, he could have had MacDuffie, LaPorta, and Thomas. Say that out loud for full effect. 

McDuffie all Pro status comes from him primarily playing in the slot. Question is he considerably better than Taron Johnson? If not than he wouldn't serve a purpose on this team. LaPorta has had 700 more snaps than Kincaid thus far in their careers, might be the reason for his better stats?

Edited 2 hours ago by The Jokeman

[The Firebaugh Kid]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

In retrospect, I don't think there's a single Bills fan who wouldn't have been okay giving up an additional high pick or two to move up five spots for this guy.

Would've given Josh a locked-in high end #1 with size, speed, and explosiveness for the next decade. 

I get that Beane felt the roster needed to be rebuilt with depth last offseason and was thus hesitant to give up draft capital, but no one can convince me that Coleman plus, say, Dewayne Carter and another mid round pick would be worth more to this team's championship pursuits than a bona fide alpha WR1.

We all knew he was a beast, sad they couldn’t find a way to get him. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean could we win with what we have yeah 

 

We could have won the last 2 years 

 

But we're not winning enough on the outside and the actual advanced statistics show that 

 

We don't need Randy Moss we need to give Josh better

 

Ty Johnson didn't even catch 3 balls in the biggest game of the year... Our wide receivers got very little separation .. we don't have the worst but Josh needs better

You bring in a primary target and you stunt the development of Kincaid, Coleman and use up cap space for the defense that has secondary and edge rusher needs. 

[GoBills808]

46 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

McDuffie all Pro status comes from him primarily playing in the slot. Question is he considerably better than Taron Johnson? If not than he wouldn't serve a purpose on this team. LaPorta has had 700 more snaps than Kincaid thus far in their careers, might be the reason for his better stats?

He's considerably better than Taron Johnson in coverage. He can play all over altho he's kind of small...great skills but lacking some elite physical traits

 

I'd say Johnson is better playing the run but not sure how much of that is just due to us being in nickel more than Chiefs tbh

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

So you are saying we need Diggs 

 

(just a joke)

This is when we need a "kick you in the nuts" emoji lol

[Allen2Moulds]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

It takes two teams to trade. People keep talking about this like Beane can just trade up if we wants to, without taking other teams into account. Take a look at the picks between when Jacksonville traded back with Minnesota and when they picked Thomas Jr. and find a trade partner that wasn't filling a glaring need.

 

17 Minnesota Vikings Dallas Turner DE Alabama

18 Cincinnati Bengals Amarius Mims OT

19 Los Angeles Rams Jared Verse †DE

20 Pittsburgh Steelers Troy Fautanu OT

21 Miami Dolphins Chop Robinson DE

22 Philadelphia Eagles Quinyon Mitchell CB

23 Jacksonville JaguarsBrian Thomas Jr. †WR

 

Cincinnati has been trying to build an OL for years and had to address it there. Same goes with Pittsburgh. The rams had just lost Aaron Donald and needed pass rush in the worst way. The Eagles were rebuilding a secondary in a single draft and would have never moved from there with the best CB in the draft on the board. That leave the Fins. They probably would never trade with us. For all we know, Beane was trying to get up to take Thomas Jr.. 

 

Of course all these teams ultimately filled holes, but unless they all landed the one guy they coveted, a deal could be had

 We see it every year, the main thing is being  willing to pay the price.

So now, we spent our first pick on a WR, spent a 3rd during the season on another WR, and yet he we are still needing a WR. If you add it all up, it adds up to more than the cost of trading up.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Allen2Moulds

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

Of course all these teams ultimately filled holes, but unless they all landed the one guy they coveted, a deal could be had

 We see it every year, the main thing is being  willing to pay the price.

So now, we spent our first pick on a WR, spent a 3rd during the season on another WR, and yet he we are still needing a WR. If you add it all up, it adds up to more than the cost of trading up.

The Vikings got the 23rd overall and a 232nd overall (seventh round) in 2024 for 42 overall (second round), No. 188 (sixth round) in 2024 and a second-round pick in 2025 in order to get #23. By contrast the Bills ended up with pick 33, 95, 141 and 221  for pick #28, 133 and 248 all in 2024.  We then traded a 2025 3rd for Cooper. Tell me how we gave up the same?