The type of wide receiver Josh needs

[Maine-iac]

We should have signed Mooney last year.  Middle of the road money, great route runner with very good speed.

[TheBeaneBandit]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I have always said Lee Evans played for the wrong Bills era, he would be insane with Allen

Meh. He would be great to have for sure but he was really a one trick pony with a couple extra half tricks.

[BillsFan130]

Yep I agree. Which is why I found the Coleman and Kincaid picks to be "curious ", to say the least 

[quincy]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I can barely imagine a less inspiring move than signing an oft-injured over the hill Allen. I have no desire to sign Amari Cooper, but I'd still do that in a second before pursuing Keenan Allen.

 

I agree.

[Doc Brown]

57 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Xavier Worthy is probably the closest thing to Jackson I’ve seen come out of college.

 

Jackson is very rare. There’s really only one player ever like him.

I heard the same thing about John Ross.  Luckily, the Browns drafted him.

 

Edit:  The Bengals.  Either way he was screwed. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Doc Brown

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

I heard the same thing about John Ross.  Luckily, the Browns drafted him.

Bengals (I think)

[Logic]

In retrospect, I don't think there's a single Bills fan who wouldn't have been okay giving up an additional high pick or two to move up five spots for this guy.

Would've given Josh a locked-in high end #1 with size, speed, and explosiveness for the next decade. 

I get that Beane felt the roster needed to be rebuilt with depth last offseason and was thus hesitant to give up draft capital, but no one can convince me that Coleman plus, say, Dewayne Carter and another mid round pick would be worth more to this team's championship pursuits than a bona fide alpha WR1.

[dpberr]

If WRs and TEs don't get open in college against the better opponents on the schedule, they are not going to get open in the NFL.  The FO doesn't need to overthink it. 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I am excited by the “year 2” growth of the Brady offense, there will be new wrinkles added. If Cooper isn’t back, give me an outside WR who can win deep. 
 

I miss John Brown. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I heard the same thing about John Ross.  Luckily, the Browns drafted him.

You fkn with me?😂😆🤣 ~Billy Bob Thornton 

Edited 4 hours ago by TheBeaneBandit

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

In retrospect, I don't think there's a single Bills fan who wouldn't have been okay giving up an additional high pick or two to move up five spots for this guy.

Would've given Josh a locked-in high end #1 with size, speed, and explosiveness for the next decade. 

I get that Beane felt the roster needed to be rebuilt with depth last offseason and was thus hesitant to give up draft capital, but no one can convince me that Coleman plus, say, Dewayne Carter and another mid round pick would be worth more to this team's championship pursuits than a bona fide alpha WR1.

very few people actually wanted to trade up for him

[Donuts and Doritos]

Can get open.

Can catch the ball.

Team player, isn't a dick.

[Logic]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I literally was high on Brian Thomas Jr pre-draft and most here didn't think anything of him 

 

Especially not late round one or early round two

I felt like the "big three" last year was actually a "big four", ending with Brian Thomas.

I advocated for either trading up for one of the big four, or, if they stayed where they were, drafting Xavier Worthy or Troy Franklin. I wanted to add explosiveness and deep speed on the outside to open up the middle of the field for Kincaid, Knox, and Shakir.

I figured there was no way Thomas would reasonably fall far enough for the Bills to have a legit shot at trading up for him. Once he fell as far as he did, I had my fingers crossed HOPING the Bills would make the move, but doubting that Beane was in a "trading up" kind of mood. Which, as it turns out, he wasn't.

The funny thing is that with as far as BTJ ended up falling, I doubt it would've really taken all that much to move up for him. But EVEN IF it took a 2nd round pick and more, I'd have done it. Depth is great and all, but a WR1 like BTJ was worth the risk. 

I'm not giving up hope on Coleman, but he has miles to go to be anywhere near what BTJ already is.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Can get open.

Can catch the ball.

Team player, isn't a dick.

Unfortunately there's usually always a little bit of I'm the dog and I'm the best with the top wide receivers 

 

There's not a lot of Larry Fitzgerald's 

 

Most of the top ones will always have a little bit of Yap and dog in their game.. they just can't cause unnecessary drama

Just now, Logic said:

I felt like the "big three" last year was actually a "big four", ending with Brian Thomas.

I advocated for either trading up for one of the big four, or, if they stayed where they were, drafting Xavier Worthy or Troy Franklin. I wanted to add explosiveness and deep speed on the outside to open up the middle of the field for Kincaid, Knox, and Shakir.

I figured there was no way Thomas would reasonably fall far enough for the Bills to have a legit shot at trading up for him. Once he fell as far as he did, I had my fingers crossed HOPING the Bills would make the move, but doubting that Beane was in a "trading up" kind of mood. Which, as it turns out, he wasn't.

The funny thing is that with as far as BTJ ended up falling, I doubt it would've really taken all that much to move up for him. But EVEN IF it took a 2nd round pick and more, I'd have done it. Depth is great and all, but a WR1 like BTJ was worth the risk. 

I'm not giving up hope on Coleman, but he has miles to go to be anywhere near what BTJ already is.

They're not even close but yeah it's not like this board was slamming for Brian Thomas Jr 

 

We also didn't have the chance to draft him

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

We also didn't have the chance to draft him

Where we picked, no. 

Trading up five or six spots doesn't seem like it would have been a prohibitively expensive thing to do. Of course we have no way of knowing which teams, if any, ahead of us were willing to trade with us. We certainly had the draft capital ammunition to do so, though.

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

very few people actually wanted to trade up for him

except of course me

 

[Doc Brown]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

In retrospect, I don't think there's a single Bills fan who wouldn't have been okay giving up an additional high pick or two to move up five spots for this guy.

Would've given Josh a locked-in high end #1 with size, speed, and explosiveness for the next decade. 

I get that Beane felt the roster needed to be rebuilt with depth last offseason and was thus hesitant to give up draft capital, but no one can convince me that Coleman plus, say, Dewayne Carter and another mid round pick would be worth more to this team's championship pursuits than a bona fide alpha WR1.

Not even in retrospect.  It was excruciating once pick 16 got there waiting for a trade alert on the bottom of the screen that never came to say "trade alert" and "The Bills are on the clock."  Oh well.  We'll just add him to the AJ Brown, Creed Humphry, and DK Metcalf list of fans being more right than Beane.

[Logic]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

very few people actually wanted to trade up for him

I just checked the WR thread from pre-draft last year to see what I was advocating for. 

At the time, I proposed trading our 1st and 2nd in that draft plus our 1st and 2nd this year if need be in order to get into range for Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, etc.

People called me crazy. They probably still would. Who knows if it would've been enough anyway.

I'd still make that move. Having Mack Hollins lead our team in touchdown catches did not talk me down from my crazy perch.



 

[billieve420]

21 minutes ago, Logic said:

In retrospect, I don't think there's a single Bills fan who wouldn't have been okay giving up an additional high pick or two to move up five spots for this guy.

Would've given Josh a locked-in high end #1 with size, speed, and explosiveness for the next decade. 

I get that Beane felt the roster needed to be rebuilt with depth last offseason and was thus hesitant to give up draft capital, but no one can convince me that Coleman plus, say, Dewayne Carter and another mid round pick would be worth more to this team's championship pursuits than a bona fide alpha WR1.

 

Was hoping he had dropped a little further. Thought he was the best deep threat in the draft last year and that is what we are missing. Where we were picking thought BTJ would have been a good fit.

Edited 3 hours ago by billieve420

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, TurfToeJam said:

1)Bills need a wr who knows how to find open areas of the field once Josh scrambles.  ..... Diggs and Allen were "on the same page" and worked great together.  Shakir may be that guy.  

 

2)But bills also need a wr who can stretch the field.  Like John Brown.

 Idk, maybe we may have this wr on our roster already?

 

I love Allen.  But Allen really needs to work on his long throws.  Think back to Josh's first and second seasons.  Teams played 2 deep because they were so afraid of Josh's long ball.  Not anymore.  

 

Bills would be so unstoppable if we could get Josh's long throws back under control.  

 

Sign a deep threat wr ASAP and have Josh practice all off-season with him.

 

 

Josh's long ball was way worse his first two seasons than it was years 3 4 5 lol