The type of wide receiver Josh needs

[Pete]

12 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Kincaid will be better, Brady didn’t scheme for him and after he was hurt Josh lost trust in him. He’s got too much talent not to be very productive. He catches that last desperation Josh fling, we’re talking about him differently. Coleman is a rookie that doesn’t separate but can high point 50/50 balls and is a big red zone target. He’s got a great resume from Mich St and Fla St and wants the ball in big spots.  Give him a pass for a bad game in his 1st postseason.

Still hopes and wishes.  Dalton’s problems are deeper than dropping the ball, ending Bills season.  As for uncatchable balls, we discussed this issue thoroughly.  Many of us surmise that Dalton is often in wrong position to catch ball. He zigs, when he should have zags.  Shakir has one of highest catch percentages in the NFL.  Is Josh only accurate throwing to Shakir?  Or could Dalton not made himself more available?  As Beane said, Dalton must get bigger.  I have more optimism for Dalton, than Keon, which isn’t much.  Right now I would stock WR room with much better talent.  If the light ever comes on for Dalton and/or Keon- bonus.  IMO they are JAGS.

 

[HamptonBillsfan]

10 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It annoys me to no end that our offense gets no credit for befuddling the kc defense pretty consistently lol we are a play away from kc being the one with the disappointing defense and us having the defense that gives up points but no one cares because we win 🤣

Everyone knows that 4th down mistake by the linesman was a game changer. We could have been playing Sunday but I know this team with Josh will have our time. Go Eagles

[HamptonBillsfan]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

Still hopes and wishes.  Dalton’s problems are deeper than dropping the ball, ending Bills season.  As for uncatchable balls, we discussed this issue thoroughly.  Many of us surmise that Dalton is often in wrong position to catch ball. He zigs, when he should have zags.  Shakir has one of highest catch percentages in the NFL.  Is Josh only accurate throwing to Shakir?  Or could Dalton not made himself more available?  As Beane said, Dalton must get bigger.  I have more optimism for Dalton, than Keon, which isn’t much.  Right now I would stock WR room with much better talent.  If the light ever comes on for Dalton and/or Keon- bonus.  IMO they are JAGS.

 

You’re still being premature and write off everyone if you like. Just remember when these young guys start ballin, you pounded the table to dump 1st rd drafted guys after a bad rookie or 2nd yr season on a team that went to the AFC championship. The knee jerk reaction to falling short of the SB is similar to the silliness writing off Josh after going 6 and 11 his first season. I’m sure you know how easy it is to replace these guys.

[NickelCity]

Separators. I like Keon, but I want shifty dudes with pace who SEPARATE. 

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Separators. I like Keon, but I want shifty dudes with pace who SEPARATE. 

It’s virtually impossible for a receiver to get any more ‘separated’ than Kincaid was on that fateful fourth down. He was WIDE OPEN. 

[Bangarang]

17 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Kincaid will be better, Brady didn’t scheme for him and after he was hurt Josh lost trust in him. He’s got too much talent not to be very productive. He catches that last desperation Josh fling, we’re talking about him differently. Coleman is a rookie that doesn’t separate but can high point 50/50 balls and is a big red zone target. He’s got a great resume from Mich St and Fla St and wants the ball in big spots.  Give him a pass for a bad game in his 1st postseason.

 

Kincaid was supposed to be better this year and he wasn't. Coleman was exactly who he was in college and is why there are legitimate questions about the role he will have moving forward. Winning the occasional jump ball is not a sustainable model for success in this league, which by the way I feel like he wasn't even all that good at either. 

Edited February 7 by Bangarang

[Toyo321]

On 2/4/2025 at 12:47 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

 fiLadd McConkey was there for the taking...

Yeah I would have taken McConkey over Coleman every day of the week and twice on Sunday!!!  Buffalo botched the WR pick for sure.  Never wanted Coleman he wasn't even a Third round pick in my book and many others.

[pennstate10]

18 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Can you remember what Josh did against the Rams and the Lions in dome conditions? He was unstoppable. Now the Lions were decimated on defense but LA was a stout defense and we shredded them. Last week we scored 29 against KC and against the Broncos who were a top defense, Josh destroyed them. Every game is different and and you will look back on your post about Kincaid and Coleman next season and realize a rookie and a 2nd year talent sometimes takes a postseason or two to become great. Josh scores 30 against everyone. 

Just to clarify, Bills scored 31 in the KC game. McD scored -2. 

[Ramza86]

On 2/3/2025 at 5:29 PM, GoBills808 said:

except of course me

 

Nice. I was in the same boat that he was clearly the 4th guy just outside of the other 3.

I was honestly hoping wed be the team to get him as he dropped. I wasnt thinking trade up though. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Everyone knows that 4th down mistake by the linesman was a game changer. We could have been playing Sunday but I know this team with Josh will have our time. Go Eagles

Back to back linesman mistakes* lol 

 

my favorite part is chiefs fans saying ‘but you can’t see the ball’ and posting the angle that shows Josh’s back..  well no sh*t that’s why we’re mad, that’s the view the linesman had that overruled the first down call 🤣

[fergie's ire]

On 2/3/2025 at 4:54 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

While he is a boundary WR, he was still just our 4th WR this year.  And the Bills offense just put up the 16th best offense in the history of the NFL and best in Bills history.  Our offense isn't the travesty some people make it sound like when expressing WR concerns.

 

But don't get me wrong, we absolutely need to address WR this offseason...but I do very much hope, and expect, that Hollins will be back because he was a good player for the Bills this year.  

I agree that our offense was exceptional. However,  someone pointed out that end of game drives have ended in failure. But why? Josh used to always find a way at the end of games, even the 16 seconds game and the hail Murray. So why these failures? Receivers or scheme...or just odds? Maybe the Daboll strategy of two plays to get 10 yards is better end of game than the Brady consistent 3 or 4 yards per play? I'm just not sure. 

[Allen2Moulds]

On 2/3/2025 at 5:58 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Luther burden III

 

Missouri 

 

Production fell this year but he is a natural hands catcher.. super explosive off the line creating instant separation .. offers yac.. plays bigger than his size.. not 4.3 fast like Jackson... Probably 4.43 but like Odell he goes up

 

Matthew golden 

 

Texas 

 

Super savvy route runner for a guy with his electric speed, fights for balls at the top, creates quick separation but he shows a higg IQ in his route saviness

 

Both could probably be had late first into the mid-second

I don't know if you could say Eric moulds is really underrated 

 

He's always considered one of the top five wide receivers in bills history.. has 9,995 yards and was a dominant football player 

 

He had some consistency issues but Hall of Fame talent

Let me clarify.  Bills Mafia knows how great Moulds was, but I don't think the rest of the NFL does.  When I talk to friends of other teams, unless you closely follow the Dolphins, most don't even know who he was, or kind of heard of him.  I always end with....he still owns most receiving yds in a single playoff game all-time. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Allen2Moulds said:

Let me clarify.  Bills Mafia knows how great Moulds was, but I don't think the rest of the NFL does.  When I talk to friends of other teams, unless you closely follow the Dolphins, most don't even know who he was, or kind of heard of him.  I always end with....he still owns most receiving yds in a single playoff game all-time. 

There was a time in Madden in the early 2000s where Randy Moss and Terrell Owens were the only wide receivers rated better

Edited February 7 by Buffalo716

[HamptonBillsfan]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Kincaid was supposed to be better this year and he wasn't. Coleman was exactly who he was in college and is why there are legitimate questions about the role he will have moving forward. Winning the occasional jump ball is not a sustainable model for success in this league, which by the way I feel like he wasn't even all that good at either. 

Hey BangARang, who he was in college was the leading receiver on an undefeated FlaSt. team with 11TDs, 50 receptions for just under 600 yds in 12 games. Just bury the 33rd choice in the draft after his rookie season where he was injured on a cheap shot. Both that play and the PI against Baltimore was the biggest play of a division playoff win. Sometimes it takes a few years for receivers to get productive. Look at the Marvin Harrison  Jrs stats. He had 800 yds with 8 TDs in 3 more games than Keon. Keon had 4 TDs, averaged 20 yds a reception and 30 catches in 13 games. for just under 600 yards. If Keon was playing hurt the last 4 games I think any objective observer would give him a.pass for a  not being a top receiver after his rookie year.

[HamptonBillsfan]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Back to back linesman mistakes* lol 

 

my favorite part is chiefs fans saying ‘but you can’t see the ball’ and posting the angle that shows Josh’s back..  well no sh*t that’s why we’re mad, that’s the view the linesman had that overruled the first down call 🤣

The linesman with the best view ran in a yd past the line to gain. All of a sudden the linesman from the other side comes running in 3/4 of a yd behind the other linesman but still past the line to gain. All of a sudden the ball is placed a foot behind the worst potential placement. The big question is why did the linesman with the best view defer to the other lineman to such a large degree. There are many credible sports talk personalities who noticed this phenomenon and voiced their opinion of a totally blown call on the biggest play of a championship game.( Mad Dog, Adam Shein, Greg Costello, J.Mac from the Herd)  It’s over now but objective observers know the weakness of officiating can and determine outcomes.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

The linesman with the best view ran in a yd past the line to gain. All of a sudden the linesman from the other side comes running in 3/4 of a yd behind the other linesman but still past the line to gain. All of a sudden the ball is placed a foot behind the worst potential placement. The big question is why did the linesman with the best view defer to the other lineman to such a large degree. There are many credible sports talk personalities who noticed this phenomenon and voiced their opinion of a totally blown call on the biggest play of a championship game.( Mad Dog, Adam Shein, Greg Costello, J.Mac from the Herd)  It’s over now but objective observers know the weakness of officiating can and determine outcomes.

I think Chris jones’ head blocked the linesman that could see the ball’s view for a split second and he told the near side linesman that and the other guy just took over for some reason with 0 idea where the ball ever was 🤣. Really really strange.

 

im pretty sure if Chris jones’ head wasn’t blocking that far sideline angle for a small amount of time that spot gets overturned in review. The above view looked nearly 100% conclusive but since it wasn’t right over the line to gain there’s a tiny bit of doubt that maybe the angle was distorting things 

[SMAKCruiser]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

There was a time in Madden in the early 2000s where Randy Moss and Terrell Owens were the only wide receivers rated better

Moulds only needs a few yards for 10,000... bring him out of retirement

[Warriorspikes51]

Keep the DK Metcalf dream alive

 

Would love to see what he could do with Allen

[The Jokeman]

7 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Kincaid was supposed to be better this year and he wasn't. Coleman was exactly who he was in college and is why there are legitimate questions about the role he will have moving forward. Winning the occasional jump ball is not a sustainable model for success in this league, which by the way I feel like he wasn't even all that good at either. 

Kincaid was also playing with a PCL injury all season. Coleman showed he can be a RAC and not just jump balls. 

[Thrivefourfive]

On 2/3/2025 at 1:15 PM, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

There's a lot of debate about what type of guy Josh needs... A big physical freak like DK... A Jamar Chase etc

 

Look what Josh did with John Brown.. arguably our offense , passing wise has never been the same since Brown left 

 

He was much better than Gabe, reliable hands good route runner and burner 

 

DeSean Jackson mold is the exact type guy we need to get Josh.. whether it's in the draft or getting a chase like guy 

 

I made a thread here years ago about wide receiver nuance in the route running.. about how the best have varied speeds in the route running.. they don't just all run full speed throughout the route that's easy to actually stop 

 

Need nuance, change of pace, leverage 

 

Watch DeSean Jackson in the clip up top.. going through multiple speeds in his route... Setting up and leveraging the safety just to go from 12 miles an hour to 22 in an instant 

 

That's real savvy route running with great speed 

 

A prime DeShaun Jackson would turn Josh unstoppable... I definitely would take Chase over DK because of route saviness and I hope we get get Josh a savvy route runner with some Wheels because that will take our offense and josh to another level

 

 

John Brown. John Brown. 
 

So Worthy. Why we don’t have him?