Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted Sunday at 09:28 PM Posted Sunday at 09:28 PM 39 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Looks like a post June 1 trade might the Browns choice. which I believe works well for us. Don’t we save like 18 million by releasing Von post June 1? The other thing is by then less likely teams will give up 2 first round licks as then talking though the 2027 draft. That's too far out for most teams to give up that much for as it now impacts 3 seasons. Add to that teams have made other moves so the need lessens to a point of making the trade and other moved made already might no longer make it practical. So more likely willing to only give up less value. Quote
H2o Posted Sunday at 10:00 PM Posted Sunday at 10:00 PM 9 minutes ago, Steptide said: Make it happen 🤞🤞 Quote
LyndonvilleBill Posted Sunday at 10:01 PM Posted Sunday at 10:01 PM 8 minutes ago, Steptide said: Make it happen Normally I would say no to giving future 1st's, but, in this case. I'd do it. Give them 26&27 1st's. Just better ace this draft!!😉😇😁 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted Sunday at 10:08 PM Posted Sunday at 10:08 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Looks like a post June 1 trade might the Browns choice. which I believe works well for us. Don’t we save like 18 million by releasing Von post June 1? There's no such thing as a "Post June 1st Trade". At least not like a Post June 1st release, where the player can immediately be obtained. What this means is a Trade can't become official and we wouldn't know if he's ours until after June 1st. Even if there's a verbal agreement, they could always change their mind between now and June 1st and we'd be nowhere. We'd have to wait until June 1st to address DE and hope we land Garrett. And if they decide to stick to their guns and not trade him or we don't win the trade sweepstakes, we're just running back what we had last season as other options in Free Agency (and possible trades that occur between now and then) will have been snatched up. Will Beane want to wait and risk not upgrading the position for the chance to get Garrett? It's a gamble. Especially if Cleveland's still not budging when players are being signed. It's a tough situation. Edited yesterday at 12:45 AM by BillsFanForever19 Quote
LyndonvilleBill Posted Sunday at 10:21 PM Posted Sunday at 10:21 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: There's no such thing as a "Post June 1st Trade". At least not like a Post June 1st release, where the player can immediately be obtained. What this means is a Trade can't become official and we wouldn't know if he's ours until after June 1st. Even if there's a verbal agreement, they could always change their mind between now and June 1st and we'd be nowwhere. We'd have to wait until June 1st to address DE and hope we land Garrett. And if they decide to stick to their guns and not trade him or don't win the trade sweepstakes, we're just running back what we had last season as other options in Free Agency (and possible trades that occur between now and then) will have been snatched up. Will Beane want to wait and risk not upgrading the position for the chance to get Garrett? It's a gamble. Especially if Cleveland's still not budging when players are being signed. It's a tough situation. I'd say, stick with current draft plans. If it works out, adjust after June 1st. 🤔 Edited Sunday at 10:21 PM by LyndonvilleBill 2 1 Quote
GaryPinC Posted Sunday at 10:33 PM Posted Sunday at 10:33 PM On 3/1/2025 at 8:38 AM, T.E. said: Sorry, but "very high-character" people don't try to bludgeon another person with a football helmet and then subsequently try to ruin the other person's career and life by lying about them using a racial slur. That was over 5 years ago. Garrett never wanted that to get out but he also feels very strongly he heard it. That doesn't mean he's lying. It also doesn't mean Rudolph said it. Garrett apologized, owned his responsibility, and was never a problem before or since. We're all human and make mistakes. It's your right to use that incident to crucify the entirety of the man, my hope is that life opens your eyes and alters your sense of judgment. 1 Quote
BillsPride12 Posted Sunday at 10:37 PM Posted Sunday at 10:37 PM I keep hearing how the Eagles are going to be in on the Garrett sweepstakes too. I don't understand why they would have a need/want to pull the trigger and how they would be able to afford him with how stacked that roster is Quote
Steptide Posted Sunday at 10:51 PM Posted Sunday at 10:51 PM 59 minutes ago, Steptide said: Make it happen Assuming this is true and not just a pr move from the bills to make bills fans happy, pretty certain we can say goodbye to von, minus a very team friendly restructured deal, regardless of if we get garret or not. This tells me they're ready to move on Quote
Success Posted Sunday at 11:01 PM Posted Sunday at 11:01 PM 9 minutes ago, Steptide said: Assuming this is true and not just a pr move from the bills to make bills fans happy, pretty certain we can say goodbye to von, minus a very team friendly restructured deal, regardless of if we get garret or not. This tells me they're ready to move on I'm sure it's been stated on here - but do you (or does anyone) know how much cap we can save by cutting Von? Quote
aristocrat Posted Sunday at 11:04 PM Posted Sunday at 11:04 PM 3 minutes ago, Success said: I'm sure it's been stated on here - but do you (or does anyone) know how much cap we can save by cutting Von? 8 mil with 15 dead cap 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted Sunday at 11:09 PM Posted Sunday at 11:09 PM 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: 8 mil with 15 dead cap Or 17.4m with a 6.3 Dead Cap with a Post June 1st release - but we wouldn't get that 17.4 until June 1st. 1 Quote
Logic Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM Posted Sunday at 11:25 PM Seems as though any time a marquee player is available, the Bills are always mentioned as checking in on the situation. I can't remember the last high quality player that Beane didn't at least ASK about. Say what you want about him as a GM, but he always does his due diligence and always at least inquires as to price and specifics. Beane himself says it often: These talks happen all year long. Tons of them. Whether or not anything comes of it, GMs are always having these talks. It takes two to tango, of course, and as of now the Browns are not even listening to offers, something which may well not change until after June 1st... ...I'll say this, though: Brandon Beane this offseason is talking like a man who wants to make a splash. Over a period of time, you get pretty decent at reading between the lines with guys like Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott, and the language I'M seeing between the lines is the language of a man who's ready to deal premium assets for premium players if need be. 4 1 Quote
Steptide Posted Sunday at 11:34 PM Posted Sunday at 11:34 PM 23 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Or 17.4m with a 6.3 Dead Cap with a Post June 1st release - but we wouldn't get that 17.4 until June 1st. That's why I wouldn't be against a very team friendly deal to keep him, assuming he'd be willing, which I'd think he would be. I doubt he'd get big money anywhere else, and I still think he could be useful in certain packages/situations Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM eeeefffffffff ffffffiivvveeee 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted yesterday at 01:18 AM Posted yesterday at 01:18 AM 6 hours ago, SoTier said: I think if the Bills could work out a post-June 1st trade, it would best case scenario because they could use their first and/or second round picks in 2025 on DLers or DBs in a draft deep in defensive players, especially on DL. That's only for a one-year rental if the Bills don't sign him to a new contract. Exactly. 4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Looks like a post June 1 trade might the Browns choice. which I believe works well for us. Don’t we save like 18 million by releasing Von post June 1? Making the trade after June 1st seems to be in everyone's best interest. If the trade is made, they will redo the contract but yes to your point of using a player like Von's savings to sign Garrett. Quote
4merper4mer Posted yesterday at 03:08 AM Posted yesterday at 03:08 AM 3 hours ago, Logic said: Seems as though any time a marquee player is available, the Bills are always mentioned as checking in on the situation. I can't remember the last high quality player that Beane didn't at least ASK about. About three days ago. Matthew Stafford. 1 Quote
Special K Posted yesterday at 04:59 AM Posted yesterday at 04:59 AM (edited) Garrett wants out because this is the difference between the two franchises: Buffalo: Cleveland: Edited yesterday at 05:01 AM by Special K 1 Quote
Big Blitz Posted yesterday at 05:04 AM Posted yesterday at 05:04 AM 6 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: I keep hearing how the Eagles are going to be in on the Garrett sweepstakes too. I don't understand why they would have a need/want to pull the trigger and how they would be able to afford him with how stacked that roster is So he doesn’t go to Washington - it’s either them or Philly. Just lock this thread up. 1 Quote
Steptide Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Beane has obviously been reading my posts here. Good on him 😅 4 Quote
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