Myles Garrett requests a trade

[colin]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Almost half of the top 50 graded players in this draft are defensive lineman.

 

Its a rare class.

 

that's worth considering.  i'm still down to trade for garrett, but add at least two more DL (we can get a DE if it allows us to cut AJ, and if von won't lower his contract he's gone too, so that's garrett's spot).  if we only give up a 1 or a 2 in the 2025 draft, we can package picks and get at least a DT and a DE (if needed) and figure out S and CB between free agency and the rest of the draft.

 

i'd also trade a pick for DK metcalf if he's there.  we can restructure guys for cap, and let our LG walk and fill him in w a young and up and comer, that's like 4mm of cap there.

 

once we are out of the knox, von/diggs shadow, and milano contracts (Taron is likely gonna be gone or on a lower contract in a couple years too) we have room to use to extend benford, groot, shakir, whoever we need.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, colin said:

 

that's worth considering.  i'm still down to trade for garrett, but add at least two more DL (we can get a DE if it allows us to cut AJ, and if von won't lower his contract he's gone too, so that's garrett's spot).  if we only give up a 1 or a 2 in the 2025 draft, we can package picks and get at least a DT and a DE (if needed) and figure out S and CB between free agency and the rest of the draft.

 

i'd also trade a pick for DK metcalf if he's there.  we can restructure guys for cap, and let our LG walk and fill him in w a young and up and comer, that's like 4mm of cap there.

 

once we are out of the knox, von/diggs shadow, and milano contracts (Taron is likely gonna be gone or on a lower contract in a couple years too) we have room to use to extend benford, groot, shakir, whoever we need.

In a perfect world we get Garrett and draft a DT in the 2nd round.

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, colin said:

 

that's worth considering.  i'm still down to trade for garrett, but add at least two more DL (we can get a DE if it allows us to cut AJ, and if von won't lower his contract he's gone too, so that's garrett's spot).  if we only give up a 1 or a 2 in the 2025 draft, we can package picks and get at least a DT and a DE (if needed) and figure out S and CB between free agency and the rest of the draft.

 

i'd also trade a pick for DK metcalf if he's there.  we can restructure guys for cap, and let our LG walk and fill him in w a young and up and comer, that's like 4mm of cap there.

 

once we are out of the knox, von/diggs shadow, and milano contracts (Taron is likely gonna be gone or on a lower contract in a couple years too) we have room to use to extend benford, groot, shakir, whoever we need.

 

Agree with this throughout, and I originally wanted to focus on your bolded bit about Taron Johnson. Such a demanding position he plays, so I was wondering how that impacts longevity/consistency among the top NCBs in the game. Was gonna use Kenny Moore II as a comp, until I looked up his stats.

 

Then this became a post about how reliably impactful Kenny Moore II has been for Indy. Compared to Taron Johnson, Moore's made MANY more impact plays throughout his career, and is only about a year older than Taron. Still playing at a high level. Similar injury histories. I don't know if it's the apparent passivity of Buffalo's scheme, in comparison to Indy's aggressiveness (?) over that same span...or if that's even the case, but Moore has been a tier above Johnson nearly every season. 

[colin]

11 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Agree with this throughout, and I originally wanted to focus on your bolded bit about Taron Johnson. Such a demanding position he plays, so I was wondering how that impacts longevity/consistency among the top NCBs in the game. Was gonna use Kenny Moore II as a comp, until I looked up his stats.

 

Then this became a post about how reliably impactful Kenny Moore II has been for Indy. Compared to Taron Johnson, Moore's made MANY more impact plays throughout his career, and is only about a year older than Taron. Still playing at a high level. Similar injury histories. I don't know if it's the apparent passivity of Buffalo's scheme, in comparison to Indy's aggressiveness (?) over that same span...or if that's even the case, but Moore has been a tier above Johnson nearly every season. 

 

i think a lot of what we do on D was innovative before, and has been much copied which resulted in big drops in passing production.  the thing is, mcd is an HC, not a DC, and it's safe to say that all of his DCs have been a big step down from what he was when he was a DC (when he filled in while also being an HC, he clearly tried to serve masters and pleased neither).  so i think we are behind on our innovation vs the people who copied some of the concepts, and we see that with how other full time nickels are essentially better than Teron.  

 

i think the biggest thing is guys (like moore or cooper dejean) who have talent levels to be outside corners but either specific traits or skill sets that more suit them to nickel are seeing that as a valuable job now, since nickel gets played so so much more than it did before.

[Figster]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/bills-predicted-to-add-double-digit-sack-star-potential-compliment-to-myles-garrett/ar-AA1zocr0?ocid=xboxntp&pc=U531&cvid=8b56551d75094413d053b12e59ed2fb1&ei=52

[cle23]

2 hours ago, Figster said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/bills-predicted-to-add-double-digit-sack-star-potential-compliment-to-myles-garrett/ar-AA1zocr0?ocid=xboxntp&pc=U531&cvid=8b56551d75094413d053b12e59ed2fb1&ei=52

 

They're predicting $5.2M for a 10.5 sack guy? In what world?

[drummernut74]

3 hours ago, Figster said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/bills-predicted-to-add-double-digit-sack-star-potential-compliment-to-myles-garrett/ar-AA1zocr0?ocid=xboxntp&pc=U531&cvid=8b56551d75094413d053b12e59ed2fb1&ei=52

Is this Mario Williams and Mark Anderson day 2.0? 🤣🤣

Edited yesterday at 01:06 AM by drummernut74

[HomeTeam]

On 2/18/2025 at 11:09 AM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Thats a good comparison, and good food for thought, but our situation right now I think makes the trade for Garrett the better move.

 

For the record, normally I am about the draft instead of making big trades.  But with us being on the cusp like this, Josh smack in the middle of his prime, a move like this has never made more sense than it does right now.  Most damning stat for me is the fact in 3 of our 4 losses to the Chiefs in the playoffs, we gave up an average of 35 PPG to them and then they went on to lose the next week averaging just 17 PPG.  I mean that is less than half what they score on us.  

 

And we have no anchor on D, no game changing impact player, and never have.  While all the SB winners we watch win every year do.  So, while the draft is great this year for DL, I still prefer the sure thing personally because the need for it on this team is almost a desperation levels and there are never sure things when it comes to the draft. 

 

Also, we can use the draft to add some beef on the interior still as well and now we have 2 new pieces on a DL that needs the help.  

My concern is that this defense is not that close where one single player will push them over the edge (even though Garrett is a very special player).  

 

This defense needs an upgrade at edge, a nose tackle, an additional DT, 2 CBs and a safety. 

 

I imagine Beane would be hesitant to place all his resources in one player like he did with Von, who ended up injured. I'm not comparing Von to Garrett but the point remains. 

 

I rather they follow the eagles route, where they double dip on the the same positions like they did last year at CB and D-line in 2023. They only caveat is that the eagles were picking much lower than us and you have to hit on your picks.  I like Beane, but he would admit that he needs to do better in the earlier rounds. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, HomeTeam said:

My concern is that this defense is not that close where one single player will push them over the edge (even though Garrett is a very special player).  

 

This defense needs an upgrade at edge, a nose tackle, an additional DT, 2 CBs and a safety. 

 

I imagine Beane would be hesitant to place all his resources in one player like he did with Von, who ended up injured. I'm not comparing Von to Garrett but the point remains. 

 

I rather they follow the eagles route, where they double dip on the the same positions like they did last year at CB and D-line in 2023. They only caveat is that the eagles were picking much lower than us and you have to hit on your picks.  I like Beane, but he would admit that he needs to do better in the earlier rounds. 

 

I understand what you are saying...but I think you are thinking about it wrong...let me explain.  

 

We don't need a fully revamped defense.  We need to make one or two more defensive plays a game, thats it.  Just one more time a game we need to hold on 3rd down and force a punt rather than allow a scoring drive.  We flip one scoring drive into a punt in each of our last 3 playoff losses to KC and we win every one of those games.

 

Now, if we were losing decisively against KC, I would agree with you, one player probably doesn't make the difference.  That is where an impact player can be all the difference, and if you look at KC, Chris Jones is a substantial reason why KC reached 3 straight and won 2.  He closed out multiple games for them making a key play that sealed the game, including in the SB against the Niners.    

 

 

[MikePJ76]

Washington Commanders (+300)

The Commanders could trade a 2025 first-round pick (No. 29), 2026 first-round pick, OT Brandon Coleman and DT Daron Payne.

“I think Washington’s offer is best given that Cleveland also needs youth across its offensive line. Washington would be betting that the 2026 first-rounder would again be a late pick, but I think the Browns certainly would want a 2026 first-round selection. The Commanders might get it done if they’d also throw in a late 2026 pick and take cornerback Greg Newsome II and his fully guaranteed $13 million 2025 fifth-year option off the Browns’ hands (and books).” — Zac Jackson

[Cray51]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Washington Commanders (+300)

The Commanders could trade a 2025 first-round pick (No. 29), 2026 first-round pick, OT Brandon Coleman and DT Daron Payne.

“I think Washington’s offer is best given that Cleveland also needs youth across its offensive line. Washington would be betting that the 2026 first-rounder would again be a late pick, but I think the Browns certainly would want a 2026 first-round selection. The Commanders might get it done if they’d also throw in a late 2026 pick and take cornerback Greg Newsome II and his fully guaranteed $13 million 2025 fifth-year option off the Browns’ hands (and books).” — Zac Jackson

If it's young o-line that the Browns want, the Bills could offer Anderson/Van Dermark/Grable as a chip along with a 1st and a 2nd.  Bills have major o-line depth

[NoSaint]

On 2/18/2025 at 1:10 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Very deep draft. There will be great DL drafted after pick 29.

 

If you can get Garrett you get him, but it is something to consider.

 

 

there will be DL with potential, which is a very different statement 

 

see WR2024

Edited yesterday at 02:24 PM by NoSaint

[MikePJ76]

22 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

If it's young o-line that the Browns want, the Bills could offer Anderson/Van Dermark/Grable as a chip along with a 1st and a 2nd.  Bills have major o-line depth

that would be much less than what that imaginary washington offer was.

 

That guess had two 1's, daron payne and a OT.

 

if that is the price, it is just too rich for the bills.  If they asked for two 1's, Groot and grable that would be to hard to overcome.  

 

The whole idea is pairing groot and oliver with a number 1 guy.  

[buffblue]

13 hours ago, drummernut74 said:

Is this Mario Williams and Mark Anderson day 2.0? 🤣🤣

I remember having high hopes for Anderson lol. He had one sack in his illustrious Bills career and never played again in the league after 2012

Edited yesterday at 02:42 PM by buffblue

[Einstein's Dog]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

that would be much less than what that imaginary washington offer was.

 

That guess had two 1's, daron payne and a OT.

 

if that is the price, it is just too rich for the bills.  If they asked for two 1's, Groot and grable that would be to hard to overcome.  

 

The whole idea is pairing groot and oliver with a number 1 guy.  

Bills go with the two 1's, J Cook, AJE, Grable, and maybe Elam (because we would get Newsome)

[Alphadawg7]

35 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

that would be much less than what that imaginary washington offer was.

 

That guess had two 1's, daron payne and a OT.

 

if that is the price, it is just too rich for the bills.  If they asked for two 1's, Groot and grable that would be to hard to overcome.  

 

The whole idea is pairing groot and oliver with a number 1 guy.  

 

I don't know why people here and in the media keep including players with big salaries or due big salaries in these make believe trade scenarios.  There is no way the Browns are taking back anyone that is making a big salary or due a big salary over the next 2 seasons.  I don't think people even understand the magnitude of the cap disaster the Browns face by moving on from Watson over these next 3 seasons, and especially the next 2.  

 

So they are not taking back Payne, they will not want Groot, Cook, AJE, etc...none of it is rooted in realism.  Browns are looking to stock pile picks and picks only, to not just rebuild, but to field a team at all because they can't afford cap wise to do so without a lot of cheap rookie contracts.  Browns cap situation is so bad the the next 2 seasons that picks next year will carry even higher value to them than it normally would to another team.  They want to slam the cupboard full of picks these next 2 seasons because they can not really even truly start to rebuild until after these next 2 seasons, and even then Watson still has a big cap hit in the 3rd year, but its more like Diggs size was this year than the monstrosity it will be the next 2.  

 

29 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Bills go with the two 1's, J Cook, AJE, Grable, and maybe Elam (because we would get Newsome)

 

See above 

Edited yesterday at 03:12 PM by Alphadawg7

[Einstein's Dog]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't know why people here and in the media keep including players with big salaries or due big salaries in these make believe trade scenarios.  There is no way the Browns are taking back anyone that is making a big salary or due a big salary over the next 2 seasons.  I don't think people even understand the magnitude of the cap disaster the Browns face by moving on from Watson over these next 3 seasons, and especially the next 2.  

 

So they are not taking back Payne, they will not want Groot, Cook, AJE, etc...none of it is rooted in realism.  Browns are looking to stock pile picks and picks only, to not just rebuild, but to field a team at all because they can't afford cap wise to do so without a lot of cheap rookie contracts.  Browns cap situation is so bad the the next 2 seasons that picks next year will carry even higher value to them than it normally would to another team.  They want to slam the cupboard full of picks these next 2 seasons because they can not really even truly start to rebuild until after these next 2 seasons, and even then Watson still has a big cap hit in the 3rd year, but its more like Diggs size was this year than the monstrosity it will be the next 2.  

 

 

See above 

Cook is cheap, $5M, he is on his rookie contract.  They do not have to renegotiate his salary.  And if Cleveland loses him to a big contract after the season they could be in the running to get a comp pick.  Same with AJE and Elam.

 

These are not expensive players and the combined total would be less than what the Browns would be sending just for Newsome.

[Warriorspikes51]

Is there a report that suggests the Browns would actually take players back in a deal?

 

With their cap, they may only take picks IMO

1st, 1st, 2nd that can become a 1st,  4th,  6th

Send it 

[nosejob]

I'm beyond entertaining the thought of MG. Give me Dexter!

[JP51]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I understand what you are saying...but I think you are thinking about it wrong...let me explain.  

 

We don't need a fully revamped defense.  We need to make one or two more defensive plays a game, thats it.  Just one more time a game we need to hold on 3rd down and force a punt rather than allow a scoring drive.  We flip one scoring drive into a punt in each of our last 3 playoff losses to KC and we win every one of those games.

 

Now, if we were losing decisively against KC, I would agree with you, one player probably doesn't make the difference.  That is where an impact player can be all the difference, and if you look at KC, Chris Jones is a substantial reason why KC reached 3 straight and won 2.  He closed out multiple games for them making a key play that sealed the game, including in the SB against the Niners.    

 

 

I also think that if you were to go after 1 player that could impact the entire D...  MG pass rush helps DBs because he gets home, Interior lineman because he draws double teams and LB because he blows plays up in the run game down the LS... he certainly is not a panacea but his game wrecker status will make it a bit easier on the existing crew... 

Edited yesterday at 05:20 PM by JP51