Myles Garrett requests a trade

[Returntoglory]

Myles has a charity that he runs called the The NFLWaterboys

https://waterboys.org/mylesgarrett

 

What say we show him how much we'd love to have him! 😁

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That seems pretty low. I know teams don't always get their opening asking or forecasted price.

 

But that's going from 2 1sts plus to well under 2 1sts - when you consider they're also giving us Greg Newsome and a 2025 3rd for our 2026 3rd.

 

The most comparable trade we have to go on is the Khalil Mack trade from the Raiders to the Bears. That was:

 

Raiders get:

 

- 2019 1st 

- 2020 1st 

- 2020 3rd

- 2019 6th

 

Bears get:

 

- Khalil Mack

- 2020 2nd

- 2020 7th

 

So it was basically 2 1st's for Mack alone or just under. Given Newsome is a former 1st Round Pick, starting CB, at age 24 still on his Rookie contract (5th year option), coming off his best season - I don't see us also acquiring him alongside Garrett and also getting the better of swapping our 2026 3rd for their 2025 3rd for just the price of 2 1st's.

 

I'd definitely do that trade. But I think the cost is going to be more than that.

 

 

I could misread the Browns feelings about Newsome but he definitely wasn't coming off his best season.   

 

Newsome was heavily criticized in season and I remember hearing that they were looking to move him at the deadline because I've always remembered the Bills reported interest.

 

But nobody was taking on that terrible 2025 guaranteed salary.

 

Things went from bad to worse as the season progressed and he ended up ranked 105th among 115 CB's on PFF in 2024 and finished the season injured.

 

I believe Newsome has to have a significant net-negative trade value and I read from the Browns sites that his guaranteed salary for 2025 is actually $13.3M.   

 

I'd definitely rather he wasn't included but a stumbling block to a deal is the Browns figuring out how to create the space to eat the dead money on Garrett's deal.   It's why a team like Washington who has an abundance of cap room would make sense.   The question is whether Washington would give away that much because the reality is that their roster is not that good/deep and if Daniels regresses back to reality like CJ Stroud did it would hurt to not have those picks.   

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Take what L? 

 

He was considered an athlete in high school.. so of course rivals has him as an athlete? What

 

He literally went on campus in January of technically still his senior year of high school and instantly went into the defensive line room 

 

https://caneswarning.com/2018/04/16/de-greg-rousseau-is-miami-hurricanes-biggest-surprise-of-spring/

 

True freshman Greg Rousseau gained 25 lb since coming on campus as a freshman.. excited to have him in the defensive end group 

 

I never said Greg didn't play five positions in high school.. I said as soon as he walked on campus in Miami they made him a defensive end which they did 

 

He never played anything else besides defensive end.. in April of technically his still senior year of high school but he was enrolled early... he had nine sacks in spring game practices ... In April!! He wasn't lined up at tight end or safety or wide receiver.. he was playing defensive end in April of his freshman year well before fall

 

He was not playing safety he was not playing wide receiver he was playing defensive end

 

 

 

This is embarrassing. Nowhere in the article did it say he was just playing de. 

 

 

I can find the quote, it was either Richt or a position coach or recruiter that said they were using him at te and other positions including the dline in the spring. He permanently moved in the fall.

 

But it's again a moot point. Rousseau only played one year at the position with 7 full starts in his red shirt freshman year. 

 

The point is he was extremely raw and inexperienced. 

 

Just take the e. It's okay 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

This is embarrassing. Nowhere in the article did it say he was just playing de. 

 

 

I can find the quote, it was either Richt or a position coach or recruiter that said they were using him at te and other positions including the dline. 

 

But it's again a moot point. Rousseau only played one year at the position with 7 full starts in his red shirt freshman year. 

 

The point is he was extremely raw and inexperienced. 

 

Just take the e. It's okay 

It also doesn't say he was playing tight end or WR lol

 

It literally calls him part of the defensive end group your grasping at straws bro

 

If they call him part of the defensive end group in April he's a defensive end

 

They quote other defensive ends who have been working with him... They don't mention he's been working at other positions

 

He was getting made into a defensive end 100%

 

They don't have them gain 25 lb to play wide receiver lol he did not take any snaps at tight end in the spring game but he dominated at defensive end 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

It also doesn't say he was playing tight end or WR lol

 

It literally calls him part of the defensive end group your grasping at straws bro

 

If they call him part of the defensive end group in April he's a defensive end

 

He was recruited as an athlete. He was practicing at different positions. His most success early was on the dline. It was not exclusively dline until the fall 

 

 

That's literally why the article says " he's a welcome addition to the dline" . Because they were uncertain lol

 

Not sure what point you're even making 

 

I played college football dude. It's common for a player like Rousseau to get reps elsewhere, especially with his archetype profile as an athlete 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

He was recruited as an athlete. He was practicing at different positions. His most success early was on the dline. It was not exclusively dline until the fall 

 

 

That's literally why the article says " he's a welcome addition to the dline" . Because they were uncertain lol

 

Not sure what point you're even making 

 

I played college football dude. It's common for a player like Rousseau to get reps elsewhere, especially with his archetype profile as an athlete 

 

 

I played college football too and I'm still employed in football as a scout

 

He didn't even get reps at any position outside of defensive end in the spring scrimmages .. you can't call him a tight end or a wide receiver when he didn't take one rep there in the spring scrimmage

 

If he got burn in the spring scrimmages at tight end wide receiver or safety you would have a valid point but he didn't 

 

He was a supreme athlete that they moved to defensive end well before fall started.. he dominated spring camp as a defensive end

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[BADOLBILZ]

30 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

Dude I can find you the quote. He wasn't just a de his freshman year. That's literally not true. 

 

There was talks about wr, te and even moving him inside if he could build his frame differently. 

 

He wasn't moved to dline and more specifically de until the fall in his freshman year. Even after they weren't sure he would stay at de

 

I follow recruiting very closely 

 

But your point is moot. 

 

The main point is he was extremely raw at the position. Not a pedantic conversation about what coaches were discussing about his future position his freshman year lol. Which by definition proves the point. He was raw as a dline prospect 

 

 

 

 

As a lifelong Hurricanes fan(for better or worse) and follower of recruiting I can attest that you are wrong about Rousseau and @Buffalo716 is correct.    He immediately moved to DE when he got to the U.   He didn't try to play anything else.   He would have never gotten a snap trying to play WR or S at Miami.  

[Allen2Moulds]

I like Rousseau, and do think he's a solid to above average player, but people on here act like he's so hard to replace. He had 4, 8, 5 and 8 sacks. His biggest strength is setting the edge. 

 

I know he's still young, but nothing there suggests that he's going to suddenly explode to a 12+ sack guy.

Edited 5 hours ago by Allen2Moulds

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I think he's really good, still has potential, and it's very difficult to even find players of his talent. 

 

I also think if you add Garrett or Parsons it would help Rousseau a lot

 

He is going into his 5th year. What has he shown to be REALLY good. Gove specifics

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I think he's really good, still has potential, and it's very difficult to even find players of his talent. 

 

I also think if you add Garrett or Parsons it would help Rousseau a lot

 

The most sacks he has in a season in 4 years is 8. He disappears for multiple games at a time. What makes you think he's really good. He's average. A player should reach their potential by year 3 or 4 at the latest. He is at his Max at this point 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo03

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He is going into his 5th year. What has he shown to be REALLY good. Gove specifics

 

 

He is REALLY good against the run and at collapsing the pocket.   That's why he ranks so high as an edge setter and pressure creating DE.   The Bills have struggled at making QB's step up in the pocket in his time in Buffalo.   He's not at all an edge bender who causes those types of things and aside from Von Miller's first season in Buffalo they've lacked one of them since Jerry Hughes used to scream around the edge and force the step-up.....but not get sacks.   Rousseau is the guy who is great at gathering the QB when they are forced to step up in the pocket.   He has elite GPS for it.   That was how he generated so many sacks in college.

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He is REALLY good against the run and at collapsing the pocket.   That's why he ranks so high as an edge setter and pressure creating DE.   The Bills have struggled at making QB's step up in the pocket in his time in Buffalo.   He's not at all an edge bender who causes those types of things and aside from Von Miller's first season in Buffalo they've lacked one of them since Jerry Hughes used to scream around the edge and force the step-up.....but not get sacks.   Rousseau is the guy who is great at gathering the QB when they are forced to step up in the pocket.   He has elite GPS for it.   That was how he generated so many sacks in college.

An edge setter? So, he's a better Shaq Lawson? That's what Lawson was always considered, a guy that could "set the edge". That's not good enough. We NEED and elite pass rusher. If we have to give up Rousseau to get Garrett, I'm not even thinking twice. He can go "set the edge" in Cleveland 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo03

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You don’t protect Greg Rousseau at the expense of Myles Garrett. One is a 1st ballot HOFer and, arguably, the best defensive player in football. The other is a pretty good starter that is 1 year from commanding a salary of $17.5M-$23M AAV. You should not pay that REGARDLESS of Garrett. It’s bad business to pay role players star money. Rosseau, a 1st & a 2nd is my initial offer to them. You go up from there. When you get a chance to get a superstar, at a position of need, AND of massive importance, it is a no brainer.

Would you rather: 

-Your offer : Rosseau, a 1st & a 2nd is my initial offer to them --AND KEEP NEXT YEARS 1ST

 

OR

 

-1ST '25, 1ST '26, AND A SECOND BUUUUT - KEEP ROUSSEAU'S PRODUCTION FOR A YEAR, AND WORK COMP SYSTEM

[MrEpsYtown]

Like Takeo! 

[Guffalo]

Umm, shouldn't we be directing our efforts to the Browns head office? Miles Garrett is under contract, he is not a free agent.

[davefan66]

How about sit in the Browns lobby with Buffalo Wings for him?

[Aussie Joe]

38 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

Myles has a charity that he runs called the The NFLWaterboys

https://waterboys.org/mylesgarrett

 

What say we show him how much we'd love to have him! 😁

What are you kicking in ?

[Solomon Grundy]

Beane needs to get on the phone with Mike Ditka and ask about his rasta wig😎

[NewEra]

38 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

He was recruited as an athlete. He was practicing at different positions. His most success early was on the dline. It was not exclusively dline until the fall 

 

 

That's literally why the article says " he's a welcome addition to the dline" . Because they were uncertain lol

 

Not sure what point you're even making 

 

I played college football dude. It's common for a player like Rousseau to get reps elsewhere, especially with his archetype profile as an athlete 

 

 

Because he was a freshman.  You said you were going to find the quote from Richt-  find it

 

@Buffalo716 and @BADOLBILZ know what they are talking about.  You read one article (and seemingly forget what it said) and think you know everything.  
 

take another L

[finn]

Can you imagine having the best offensive player in the league and the best defensive player on the same team? But can Beane land Garrett, a WR1, and a  starting CB? That's a tall order. 

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

He is going into his 5th year. What has he shown to be REALLY good. Gove specifics

The most sacks he has in a season in 4 years is 8. He disappears for multiple games at a time. What makes you think he's really good. He's average. A player should reach their potential by year 3 or 4 at the latest. He is at his Max at this point 

 

Most people think he’s really good.  Good rusher and elite run defender.  He’s not an elite pass rusher- so he can’t be “very good”?  He’s very good