Myles Garrett requests a trade

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Gregg was not recruited to play wide receiver at Miami lol

 

He played safety for most of his high school career hit a growth spurt and miami recruited him as a end

 

Where he redshirted and then blew up his red shirt freshman year 

 

But for the same time you don't give him 20 million a year because he disappears when it matters

Who paid him 20 million. I want names

[Sojourner]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Not ideal.

 

 

I’m starting to get a feeling that he goes to the Commanders. If not there then he stays put. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

Who paid him 20 million. I want names

No I'm saying we can't pay him 20 million a year or close to that 

 

He's good football player he's not that dominant 

 

And he's young with some ability so he's going to get paid on the open market but I wouldn't give him 17 or 20 million

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Sojourner said:

Greg is like the gift at Action Man or G.I. Joe at Christmas as a kid.
 

Looks like a superhero.
Does all the basic stuff great. 
You then realize there’s a model that does all the same things but other stuff better. 
 

That’s kind of where I’m at with Groot. Awesome edge defender and decent pass rusher but when you it’s time to play with the other shiny toys, it can be underwhelming. 
 

All 4 years he’s disappeared in the final game of our season against KC and Cincy. 
Neither team had the best tackles out there. 

That's the thing he that's worse as the season goes on typically.. doesn't play Big in the biggest game 

 

He is an athletic freak the dude was playing wide receiver and safety in high school.. an athletic freak 

 

But he never had put it all together pass rushing

[Sojourner]

Greg is like the gift of an Action Man or G.I. Joe at Christmas as a kid.
 

Looks like a superhero.
Does all the basic stuff great. 
You then realize there’s a model that does all the same things but other stuff better. 
 

That’s kind of where I’m at with Groot. Awesome edge defender and decent pass rusher but when it’s time to play with the other shiny toys, it can be underwhelming. 
 

All 4 years he’s disappeared in the final game of our season against KC and Cincy. 
Neither team had the best tackles out there. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Sojourner said:

Greg is like the gift of an Action Man or G.I. Joe at Christmas as a kid.
 

Looks like a superhero.
Does all the basic stuff great. 
You then realize there’s a model that does all the same things but other stuff better. 
 

That’s kind of where I’m at with Groot. Awesome edge defender and decent pass rusher but when it’s time to play with the other shiny toys, it can be underwhelming. 
 

All 4 years he’s disappeared in the final game of our season against KC and Cincy. 
Neither team had the best tackles out there. 

Would you be shocked if Groot went to a different team and flourished ? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

To what? 20+ million a year? You think he is worth that?

I think so. Right around $18-20 million. With cap increases that’s not bad.

20 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

I’m starting to get a feeling that he goes to the Commanders. If not there then he stays put. 

It makes the most sense. Eagles also, crazy as that sounds. Eagles can pull it off.

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo_Stampede

[Allen2Moulds]

11 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Greg is like the gift of an Action Man or G.I. Joe at Christmas as a kid.
 

Looks like a superhero.
Does all the basic stuff great. 
You then realize there’s a model that does all the same things but other stuff better. 
 

That’s kind of where I’m at with Groot. Awesome edge defender and decent pass rusher but when it’s time to play with the other shiny toys, it can be underwhelming. 
 

All 4 years he’s disappeared in the final game of our season against KC and Cincy. 
Neither team had the best tackles out there. 

I agree, he kind of gets washed away during the biggest games.  In a perfect world, we land Garrett, and keep Rosseau as a high end DE2.  Although financials may make this very challenging. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Allen2Moulds said:

I agree, he kind of gets washed away during the biggest games.  In a perfect world, we land Garrett, and keep Rosseau as a high end DE2.  Although financials may make this very challenging. 

Perfect world we draft a rookie that impacts.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Mario Williams spotted at Tempo!!…oh wait…

[Kelly to Allen]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

To what? 20+ million a year? You think he is worth that?

 

I think he's really good, still has potential, and it's very difficult to even find players of his talent. 

 

I also think if you add Garrett or Parsons it would help Rousseau a lot

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Ga boy]

54 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

It's a damn fine dialogue ! 

 everyone gets in and is reading.

Details hashed out  with whys and wherefores by some our cognoscenti as well sprinkled in 

 This thread is deserving .

 Well done all around

 Go Bills

 oh

 and get Garrett. Will shift the earth's axis  in our favor 😉

Yea it’s fun being a GM!

[Kelly to Allen]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Gregg was not recruited to play wide receiver at Miami lol

 

He played safety for most of his high school career, WR on offense ,hit a growth spurt and miami recruited him as a end.. they never wanted him as a wide receiver

 

Where he redshirted and then blew up his red shirt freshman year 

 

But for the same time you don't give him 20 million a year because he disappears when it matters

 

He literally was a wr and safety in highschool. I didn't say he was recruited as a wr... 

 

He didn't play defensive line until his red shirt freshman season. 

 

The point being there's still a potential growth in his game 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Augie]

24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Would you be shocked if Groot went to a different team and flourished ? 

 

I certainly would not be. 

[Warriorspikes51]

again emphasizing this should be the goal for starting DL:

 

Rousseau - Oliver - Massive Rookie -  Garrett 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I think he's really good, still has potential, and it's very difficult to even find players of his talent. 

 

I also think if you add Garrett or Parsons it would help Rousseau a lot

 

Rousseau is an all around good edge defender. He’s not elite at anything, hasn’t taken a leap as a pass rusher. 
 

Top pass rushers will sign for $28+ million. He’s not that. Something around $20 million is fair I believe. Cap increases will have edge players over $30 million soon.
 

I was 100% on board with that type of deal, $20 million , but I didn’t like what I saw vs Kansas City. Now I’m hesitant. I still think he’s a good player but I’m more interested in trading him this offseason than signing him. I would love to pair him with an elite pass rusher next year though. So we will see what happens.

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo_Stampede

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Ga boy said:

If this thread exceeds 200 pages, this one will be hard to beat in terms of identifying guys who have not won us anything.  While they have contributed, there’s only one player who is untouchable.  If we don’t get Garrett, we need to use this draft to bring in another wave of players to compete, add depth, and possibly make some expendable.

 

 

Yeah in the past Beane has been a bit too quick to extend some "good" players and it's gotten them in some cap difficulty.   In some of those cases, they might be able to use the excuse that they were trying to build a culture.   But the culture is set now, they just survived and played well thru a season without the Morse/Poyer/Hyde types they used to cling to.   They need to get used to this cycle like teams like Baltimore and KC have and embrace replacing "good" players and not being too quick to extend them.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

again emphasizing this should be the goal for starting DL:

 

Rousseau - Oliver - Massive Rookie -  Garrett 

 

That sounds like fun to me!!! 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Rousseau is an all around good edge defender. He’s not elite at anything, hasn’t taken a leap as a pass rusher. 
 

Top pass rushers will sign for $28+. He’s not that. Something around $20 million is fair I believe. 
 

I was 100% on board with that type of deal but I didn’t like what I saw vs Kansas City. Now I’m hesitant. I still think he’s a good player but I’m more interested in traded him this offseason than signing him. I would love to pair him with an elite pass rusher next year though. So we will see what happens.

If we are able to land Garrett, I can see Rousseau having 12-14 sacks....half of them from QB's running away from Myles and into Greg 

[Thrivefourfive]

I’m convinced we’re landing this dude. Is happening.