Myles Garrett requests a trade

[Magox]

31 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

The Athletic trade is interesting because the Bills move on from Kaiir.  However, the total draft o picks given up is a very steep price to pay.

 

 

I also add that I believe somehow Beane gets a trade done for Garrett. I hope it is not the Athletic deal but who knows.

 

This is not as steep as it sounds.   Epenesa and Kaiir are both expendable and saves some salary cap.    Trading 2 1sts and a second for their 3rd and a 6th.   Keep in mind their 3rd is valued very close to our 2nd.  When you pair that with a 6th, it’s not too far off 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

The Athletic trade is interesting because the Bills move on from Kaiir.  However, the total draft o picks given up is a very steep price to pay.

 

 

The problem with the Athletic trade is that it doesn't address the $36M in dead money the cap strapped Browns have to create.   Adding $8M+ in payroll with AJE and Elam, both entering walk years when the Browns are basically going to have to tank.......makes no sense for the Browns, IMO.

 

I think the Browns final counter(after failing to get Rousseau thrown in) would be like:

 

2025 #1

2026 #1

2026 #3

for:

 

Myles Garrett ($19M)

Greg Newsome  ($12.5M)

2025 3rd rounder (Bills original from the Cooper trade)

 

There could be many other iterations but my *guess* is that somebody that Garrett would approve of will take Newsome on and offer something similar.   Maybe the Bills throw in Elam to replace Newsome here?  I just don't see them wanting rental AJE for $5.75M in addition to $36M dead money.    I also like my Elam for Mazi Smith bust for bust trade idea as a use for Elam. 

[BADOLBILZ]

29 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said:

 

Unless Garrett is traded before Mar 17, I almost positive that the acquiring team will only need to have 1.255M of cap space open to trade for Garrett. He has a bonus due on Mar 17 and his 2025 salary is only 1.255M.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I suspect the trade will be done before that, because of that bonus.  But it's a good point that the acquiring team may have some time to address that bonus impact before it ever happens.   

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The problem with the Athletic trade is that it doesn't address the $36M in dead money the cap strapped Browns have to create.   Adding $8M+ in payroll with AJE and Elam, both entering walk years when the Browns are basically going to have to tank.......makes no sense for the Browns, IMO.

 

I think the Browns final counter(after failing to get Rousseau thrown in) would be like:

 

2025 #1

2026 #1

2026 #3

for:

 

Myles Garrett ($19M)

Greg Newsome  ($12.5M)

2025 3rd rounder (Bills original from the Cooper trade)

 

There could be many other iterations but my *guess* is that somebody that Garrett would approve of will take Newsome on and offer something similar.   Maybe the Bills throw in Elam to replace Newsome here?  I just don't see them wanting rental AJE for $5.75M in addition to $36M dead money.    I also like my Elam for Mazi Smith bust for bust trade idea as a use for Elam. 

Id take that deal if I were the Bills.  Newsome is a really good press man to man cover corner and would fit nicely into what I think the Bills should do more often.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

Id take that deal if I were the Bills.  Newsome is a really good press man to man cover corner and would fit nicely into what I think the Bills should do more often.

 

 

Yeah Newsome is coming off a dreadful season though and I think he might have been dealt at the deadline if not for that onerous option cap hit in 2025.

 

But I suspected that the Bills might take him over Rousseau if he were there at #30 in that 2021 draft.   The Browns took him at #26.  I think @GunnerBill was really high on him, as I recall.  

[jcamm1966]

Browns radio says anything involving Bills would include Cook along with 2 number 1, Chubb is done, injuries

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, jcamm1966 said:

Browns radio says anything involving Bills would include Cook along with 2 number 1, Chubb is done, injuries

Lol that’s not happening

 

it’ll end up being something like

 

1, 1, 2, 6   or  1, 1, 4, decent roster player

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah Newsome is coming off a dreadful season though and I think he might have been dealt at the deadline if not for that onerous option cap hit in 2025.

 

But I suspected that the Bills might take him over Rousseau if he were there at #30 in that 2021 draft.   The Browns took him at #26.  I think @GunnerBill was really high on him, as I recall.  

 

Yea I was. I was on the Newsome train before it left the station that draft. I remember telling Matt Miller in January "this guy is a first round pick" when the consensus (and Matt) still had him as a day 2 guy.  He is coming off his worst year as a pro, but he had some injuries as well in year, so I think he can bounce back in 2025.

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

Browns radio says anything involving Bills would include Cook along with 2 number 1, Chubb is done, injuries

 

 

[colin]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The problem with the Athletic trade is that it doesn't address the $36M in dead money the cap strapped Browns have to create.   Adding $8M+ in payroll with AJE and Elam, both entering walk years when the Browns are basically going to have to tank.......makes no sense for the Browns, IMO.

 

I think the Browns final counter(after failing to get Rousseau thrown in) would be like:

 

2025 #1

2026 #1

2026 #3

for:

 

Myles Garrett ($19M)

Greg Newsome  ($12.5M)

2025 3rd rounder (Bills original from the Cooper trade)

 

There could be many other iterations but my *guess* is that somebody that Garrett would approve of will take Newsome on and offer something similar.   Maybe the Bills throw in Elam to replace Newsome here?  I just don't see them wanting rental AJE for $5.75M in addition to $36M dead money.    I also like my Elam for Mazi Smith bust for bust trade idea as a use for Elam. 

I think the browns need to rebuild, and want draft picks to do so.

 

We can give them a comp pick this year, a 1 and 2 this year, and a 1 next year pretty comfortably.

 

If we get Myles, we almost certainly let Groot walk.  We need to swap a vet or two at dt, that should be cap flat, we need a vet safety but that won't be expensive.  We can extend Allen to create room, and have the Garrett contract balloon on the cap after Knox, Milano, and Vons deals are off the books.  We will have room to extend cook (I figure 10-12 a year for 4 years w the last year being an out for us).

 

That leaves us with a need at CB and wr.  A draft picks on an outside guy might be enough at wr, unless you can trade and work the cap for DK or something, and CB will be some combo of picks and free agents.

 

I think a Myles trade leaves room for a 10 or so context a year guy at CB or wr, but not both.  That guy could be cooper if they love him and think it was his wrist that sunk him, or whoever.

 

We have a lot of picks, so we either get a ton of bodies and see who the diamonds in the rough are, or package some to move up.

 

Carter, Elam, kinkaid, and Coleman all have a ton of room to improve, and if Dorian takes one more step he's our best lb.    The front office might just bank on that a little bit too.

 

A front of Garrett Groot Oliver and whoever is an absolute nightmare and potentially only matched by our Williams, Williams, Darius, Hough's line which made a team coached by Doug Morron and with Kyle freaking Orton a winner. 

 

That's nasty work

[Warriorspikes51]

Good clip here about some of his metrics from last 2 seasons

 

Double Teamed 30% of plays but 2nd in pass rush win rate.   Leads league in forced incompletions, interceptions from pressure and forced fumbles

Edited 3 hours ago by Warriorspikes51

[jcamm1966]

I think we are spooked due the Miller deal, if we could hit on our draft picks we would be fine.

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

I think we are spooked due the Miller deal, if we could hit on our draft picks we would be fine.

but we can’t so trade them for a HOFer who is 29

[Warriorspikes51]

In before thread hits 250 pages in March

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, colin said:

I think the browns need to rebuild, and want draft picks to do so.

 

We can give them a comp pick this year, a 1 and 2 this year, and a 1 next year pretty comfortably.

 

If we get Myles, we almost certainly let Groot walk.  We need to swap a vet or two at dt, that should be cap flat, we need a vet safety but that won't be expensive.  We can extend Allen to create room, and have the Garrett contract balloon on the cap after Knox, Milano, and Vons deals are off the books.  We will have room to extend cook (I figure 10-12 a year for 4 years w the last year being an out for us).

 

That leaves us with a need at CB and wr.  A draft picks on an outside guy might be enough at wr, unless you can trade and work the cap for DK or something, and CB will be some combo of picks and free agents.

 

I think a Myles trade leaves room for a 10 or so context a year guy at CB or wr, but not both.  That guy could be cooper if they love him and think it was his wrist that sunk him, or whoever.

 

We have a lot of picks, so we either get a ton of bodies and see who the diamonds in the rough are, or package some to move up.

 

Carter, Elam, kinkaid, and Coleman all have a ton of room to improve, and if Dorian takes one more step he's our best lb.    The front office might just bank on that a little bit too.

 

A front of Garrett Groot Oliver and whoever is an absolute nightmare and potentially only matched by our Williams, Williams, Darius, Hough's line which made a team coached by Doug Morron and with Kyle freaking Orton a winner. 

 

That's nasty work

 

 

I can't get to the idea that Garrett will return more than two #1 picks yet.   It's just not how the NFL generally operates wrt to star trades.  

 

And he's not a 4th year pro like Khalil Mack was when that trade went down(and Mack was considered on the same level having won NFLDPOY and already been twice 1st team All Pro so early in his career).   Garrett is the best in the game but is also a high mileage 29 year old with seriously achin' feet by comparison.

 

I'm not certain Groot would have to walk if they signed Garrett to an extension.....but it's certainly a possibility.   I wouldn't extend James Cook, but I probably know more about his off-field shenanigans than most so I understand why some fans are higher on paying that 2 down RB real money than I.   He'd have to be a 3 down back and have zero chance of suspension for me to even consider an extension and he isn't either of those.   With that money not wasted,  perhaps Groot could be kept.   Just an insane RB class entering the league.   More likely to hit on a Cook replacement than a Groot replacement(even though the DL group is good too).  

 

I don't really see extensions for any of that Benford, Bernard, Cook, Shakir group.  But the Bills may.   I'd like to see Beane use all those extra day 3 picks to try to fill those largely non-premium positions with replacements.  

[Warriorspikes51]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I can't get to the idea that Garrett will return more than two #1 picks yet.   It's just not how the NFL generally operates wrt to star trades.  

 

And he's not a 4th year pro like Khalil Mack was when that trade went down(and Mack was considered on the same level having won NFLDPOY and already been twice 1st team All Pro so early in his career).   Garrett is the best in the game but is also a high mileage 29 year old with seriously achin' feet by comparison.

 

I'm not certain Groot would have to walk if they signed Garrett to an extension.....but it's certainly a possibility.   I wouldn't extend James Cook, but I probably know more about his off-field shenanigans than most so I understand why some fans are higher on paying that 2 down RB real money than I.   He'd have to be a 3 down back and have zero chance of suspension for me to even consider an extension and he isn't either of those.   With that money not wasted,  perhaps Groot could be kept.   Just an insane RB class entering the league.   More likely to hit on a Cook replacement than a Groot replacement(even though the DL group is good too).  

 

I don't really see extensions for any of that Benford, Bernard, Cook, Shakir group.  But the Bills may.   I'd like to see Beane use all those extra day 3 picks to try to fill those largely non-premium positions with replacements.  

Cook has turned into an Elite player.  We’d have beaten KC if he had 25 touches instead of 13

 

Shakir I would also keep.  His YAC is top tier

[Kelly to Allen]

I agree with the athletic article hypothetical trade. We still would have a 2nd and 3rd, along with a lot of day 3 picks.

 

One thing I don't agree with is trading Rousseau. That's really dumb imo as he still hasn't even reached his potential and is really really good.

 

That's 2 steps forward and 1 step back. 

 

The whole point of getting Garrett is to also combine him with Rousseau on the left. He's much more dangerous rushing from the left. 

 

Garrett and Rousseau is a potential all time pass rush 

 

I want Rousseau extended with Garrett for the next half decade 

[colin]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I can't get to the idea that Garrett will return more than two #1 picks yet.   It's just not how the NFL generally operates wrt to star trades.  

 

And he's not a 4th year pro like Khalil Mack was when that trade went down(and Mack was considered on the same level having won NFLDPOY and already been twice 1st team All Pro so early in his career).   Garrett is the best in the game but is also a high mileage 29 year old with seriously achin' feet by comparison.

 

I'm not certain Groot would have to walk if they signed Garrett to an extension.....but it's certainly a possibility.   I wouldn't extend James Cook, but I probably know more about his off-field shenanigans than most so I understand why some fans are higher on paying that 2 down RB real money than I.   He'd have to be a 3 down back and have zero chance of suspension for me to even consider an extension and he isn't either of those.   With that money not wasted,  perhaps Groot could be kept.   Just an insane RB class entering the league.   More likely to hit on a Cook replacement than a Groot replacement(even though the DL group is good too).  

 

I don't really see extensions for any of that Benford, Bernard, Cook, Shakir group.  But the Bills may.   I'd like to see Beane use all those extra day 3 picks to try to fill those largely non-premium positions with replacements.  

 

benford would be teh stand out exception of that last group.

 

hmm, you might be right about the picks cost for myles.  i'd jump and laugh at 2 1s.

 

please dish!!  what's the deal w cook?  what's he up to?

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, High Mark said:

Give up less then! But I like the premise, we give up top picks but could still fill out our roster with mid round players.  Looking at the various all-rookie teams, the safeties were 3rd and 4th rounders.  
 

I just spent some time watching MG highlights.  Man he reminds me of BRUUUCCCEEEEEE

 

Im all for getting Garrett, I am all for sending 2 firsts to do so...just felt the proposal you put up was a bit over exaggerative which was basing your reasoning on is you think the Bills will draft better with later picks so you want to give away all our better earlier picks to get more later picks.  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The problem with the Athletic trade is that it doesn't address the $36M in dead money the cap strapped Browns have to create.   Adding $8M+ in payroll with AJE and Elam, both entering walk years when the Browns are basically going to have to tank.......makes no sense for the Browns, IMO.

 

I think the Browns final counter(after failing to get Rousseau thrown in) would be like:

 

2025 #1

2026 #1

2026 #3

for:

 

Myles Garrett ($19M)

Greg Newsome  ($12.5M)

2025 3rd rounder (Bills original from the Cooper trade)

 

There could be many other iterations but my *guess* is that somebody that Garrett would approve of will take Newsome on and offer something similar.   Maybe the Bills throw in Elam to replace Newsome here?  I just don't see them wanting rental AJE for $5.75M in addition to $36M dead money.    I also like my Elam for Mazi Smith bust for bust trade idea as a use for Elam. 

 

Yeah, I think what a lot of people keep missing here is the Browns are not going to be interested in players.  They are not looking at 2025 as a season to compete, this is a season to tank, take their lumps on the cap, and reset with as much ammo as they can get to start over moving forward.

 

I can't see Garrett getting moved for players unless someone there really likes someone like Elam for some reason given his age and rookie deal, and I don't think that is very likely.  Its much more likely that Garrett brings back only picks, and they may even throw in a pick like you suggested to entice the trade partner to take on a player so they can get rid of more salary.  

 

To be honest, this trade scenario above makes a ton of sense from the Browns perspective...now will Beane be willing to take back more salary in the deal I don't know, but from the Browns side this would be one they would make IMHO if the Bills were willing to pull the trigger.