Myles Garrett requests a trade

[Rubes]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I feel like every time Higgins is mentioned everyone immediately says no way we can afford him. But now every single Bills fan and analyst is desperate for us to trade for Garrett and give him probably the same type of money? I don't know how anyone watched that last game and thinks pass rush was our issue. I'm all for getting a 1st round EDGE on a rookie contract but it shouldn't be our flagship investment of the offseason IMO.

 

Man, I don't know. I can't see how anyone watched our defense in the playoffs this year and the last few years who doesn't think the DL and pass rush is the issue.

 

Everything in this defense goes through the DL. A better DL makes the linebackers and coverage guys better, not the other way around.

 

The one thing missing from this defense has been a difference maker on the DL. It's time to go and get one, I don't care who it is or how it's done.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Don't show up to OTA's, don't show up to camp, don't involve himself in team or community activities and just show up on game day.   

 

That doesn't sound like much but for a team in re-build it would be a huge distraction, morale killer and coach underminer.

 

A team flexing on it's best player and team leader just doesn't work.   Like Stafford, he's paid his dues.   

 

All this.

 

It sucks to be on the Browns as it is. All the players know this. Then they all watch the team mistreat their best player. Would totally tank any bit of turnaround they're hoping to start.

[GaryPinC]

If Cleveland 's smart, and I respect Berry, they'll deal Myles.

 

With Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, and Burrow in the AFC, no team gets it done without an elite QB.

 

That's at least 2 years away for Cleveland.   

 

Cleveland has been interested in drafting a QB this year but I have to wonder if they changed their mind and that helped Myles make this decision. 

[BarleyNY]

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Don't show up to OTA's, don't show up to camp, don't involve himself in team or community activities and just show up on game day.   

 

That doesn't sound like much but for a team in re-build it would be a huge distraction, morale killer and coach underminer.

 

A team flexing on it's best player and team leader just doesn't work.   Like Stafford, he's paid his dues.   

Meh. That’s really nothing compared to the opening of the floodgates of other players wanting out if they traded him. Full rebuild mode is something they are trying to avoid - and is much more of a coach killer. I’m sure Garrett can afford the fines for not showing up to mandatory OTAs and TC. That’s all pretty meaningless. He doesn’t need the practice and no one will care if he’s expected to show up for game 1.

 

Besides, who says it gets to that point? There’s a lot of time between now and the start of the season. The Browns may believe that they can acquire a decent QB and other pieces to compete in 2025. Maybe 2025 looks more like 2023 and they put some wins together. It certainly seems like a chance worth taking when you look at the other option.

 

Edited to add: Right now he’s got two seasons left on his deal and is set to get a contract that would make him the highest paid defender in NFL history. His actions can certainly delay and otherwise impact that. 

 

Do you have anything else?

Edited 2 hours ago by BarleyNY

[cle23]

20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Don't show up to OTA's, don't show up to camp, don't involve himself in team or community activities and just show up on game day.   

 

That doesn't sound like much but for a team in re-build it would be a huge distraction, morale killer and coach underminer.

 

A team flexing on it's best player and team leader just doesn't work.   Like Stafford, he's paid his dues.   

 

He also would have $36M+ in dead money.  Makes a deal extremely unlikely.  

[HappyDays]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's not a 1 player fix.   But the reality is that this has always been the McBeane dream.   Difference making DL drives their system.  In their opinion.

 

WR?  They let Allen take two years of lumps before they grudgingly dealt for Diggs.  I don't think a Garrett trade would preclude them making a big move at WR but I also don't think it's either or.   It's more likely they draft defense heavy every day of the draft and try to run it back on offense.

 

And I think that re-building the secondary is something that can be done on the relative cheap and with day 3 picks.   Taron Johnson and Christian Benford were day 3 picks.   5'11 190# guys who can run are findable.   And there were 28 starting safeties in free agency last year and this year's FA class will also be over-stuffed.

 

Everything I've heard about this draft is that it's strong and deep on the DL. While the WR class is apparently the exact opposite. So to me it makes more sense to use our money on a big WR investment, and then they can go crazy drafting defense if that's what they want to do. We haven't made a big WR investment since 2020. It's time. I agree the secondary can be rebuilt without making major financial or draft investments because of the system we run.

 

I don't us making two splash moves. It's either Garrett OR it's Higgins/Metcalf. I'm taking the second choice for sure.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

He also would have $36M+ in dead money.  Makes a deal extremely unlikely.  

 

Nothing comapred to the dead money theyre about to eat on the Watson deal. They might as well get it over with all at once.

[JP51]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Nothing comapred to the dead money theyre about to eat on the Watson deal. They might as well get it over with all at once.

I am kinda thinking this two... they are gonna rip the band aid off lay off of QB in this draft and wait till next one. 

[PonyBoy]

Is Detroit capable of being in on this?

 

Imagine Garrett and a healthy Hutchinson on the same side of the ball 😬

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, JP51 said:

I am kinda thinking this two... they are gonna rip the band aid off lay off of QB in this draft and wait till next one. 

 

I dont blame them. There isnt a single blue chip QB in this draft. I actually wonder if they'd be more interested if our offer didnt have any picks from the 2025 draft and were all 2026/2027 picks, when they will actually be rebuilding.

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, Rubes said:

Man, I don't know. I can't see how anyone watched our defense in the playoffs this year and the last few years who doesn't think the DL and pass rush is the issue.

 

I'm just looking at the last game. The only problem our DL had in that one is it didn't try to contain Mahomes at all in the 1st half. We don't need Myles Garrett to do that. We came out in the 2nd half with a clear intent to contain rush and immediately forced two punts. We have what's supposed to be the best contain EDGE in the game but he unfortunately had his worst game of the year. In any case Mahomes was getting the ball out of his hands in 2 seconds. Nothing about that game script tells me we need to make a massive draft and cap investment on an EDGE. We need our coaches and existing DL players to perform better, or we need our offense to score a game winning TD when it has the ball last. In fact I'd put everything towards making sure that second possibility happens because two consecutive seasons now have ended with that exact situation.

 

Of course Garrett would make our team better. It's just not where I would be prioritizing.

[Process]

Can sign a very good S in Holland and a good starting CB for the price of Garret. Then spend 2 of our first three picks on the DL, in a deep D line draft. 

 

Just saying.

[JP51]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont blame them. There isnt a single blue chip QB in this draft. I actually wonder if they'd be more interested if our offer didnt have any picks from the 2025 draft and were all 2026/2027 picks, when they will actually be rebuilding.

I could see them going 2 in 2025 and 1 in 2026 

[gobilz]

Chiefs already trading for him 

[cle23]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Nothing comapred to the dead money theyre about to eat on the Watson deal. They might as well get it over with all at once.

 

But it's not that simple.  You have to stay under the cap.  If they cut/traded both, it would be like $100M or more in dead money.  Makes fielding a team basically impossible. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

All this.

 

It sucks to be on the Browns as it is. All the players know this. Then they all watch the team mistreat their best player. Would totally tank any bit of turnaround they're hoping to start.

on top of that, remember a few years back when all their players would get staph infections too from their locker room?  Adding injury to insult! 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Everything I've heard about this draft is that it's strong and deep on the DL. While the WR class is apparently the exact opposite. So to me it makes more sense to use our money on a big WR investment, and then they can go crazy drafting defense if that's what they want to do. We haven't made a big WR investment since 2020. It's time. I agree the secondary can be rebuilt without making major financial or draft investments because of the system we run.

 

I don't us making two splash moves. It's either Garrett OR it's Higgins/Metcalf. I'm taking the second choice for sure.

 

 

DK would be my first choice for a veteran star acquisition because he gives them an explosive, difference maker for Josh Allen with a lot of untapped potential, IMO.

 

Higgins I am all-out on because I think $30M aav is too much for an injury prone possession WR.   I think that could end up being a horrible deal for whoever pays him.  The writing is on the wall on that one, IMO........and I think it would be hard to replicate his best play with someone other than the remarkably accurate Burrow.

 

Garrett would be my second choice behind acquiring DK but I wouldn't think one would necessarily make the other impossible.   Two good guys that might take a bit less to play with Josh Allen, IMO and Allen is really the only big deal they have committed on the books.   

 

3rd choice would be a tossup between trading for Crosby or Jamar Chase.  

 

Only reason I wouldn't be higher on Chase is that he might be a terrible culture fit.   He seems like a real jag off.    But I would love trading a #1 and change for him and paying him Jefferson money then having Cinci re-up Higgins instead that would be delightful.   Imagine Allen with Chase for 4 years.    That could be amazing.

[Sojourner]

Did not expect this coming. Happy I was wrong to believe there wouldn’t be a trade in the works. There still isn’t yet obviously as Cleveland might choose to do nothing but good golly it’s a nice piece of news. 
 

Wonder if the Luka/Davis trade inspired Myles? 😂

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Higgins I am all-out on because I think $30M aav is too much for an injury prone possession WR.

 

Yeah I can understand that. I'll admit desperation makes me open to the risk. This happens to be a terrible offseason to have a big need at WR. But to me it remains by far the biggest need on the team and I can't stomach punting on it just because the market sucks. Beane had his chances in offseasons with better markets and failed to capitalize.

 

Metcalf would absolutely be my preferred option if Seattle wants to trade him. Definitely a better player and better fit than Higgins. Like I said I don't care about giving up draft picks for an elite player, I just don't want such a big investment to yet again be on the defense. I'm so over trying to make that side of the ball our path to a championship. I'm all in on shooting for a 40 PPG offense.

 

If we do get Garrett I'll make myself excited about it and hope if nothing else he can close out a few more games to give us the #1 seed, but I'll worry that the season will yet again come down to the ball in Allen's hands against KC and yet again we won't have the horses to close the deal.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by HappyDays

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He'll be 29 through the entire 2025 season too.

 

Von was great for LA in his 30s, and looked good for us at 32 until his ACL blew out on that crap turf in Detroit.

 

Garrett has a few years left.

 

He has 2 years left on current deal with no guaranteed money. I'd convert some 2025 salary to guaranteed to make him happy immediately, then work on a new deal this year. Extend his 1 year left to 3 in order to spread out the hits.

 

Then he is still done with the Bills almost a full year before his 33rd bday.

 

The DBs can be addressed with our mid/late picks where Beane shines. Just need another Benford from the 5th round, and a Safety to replace Rapp. Shouldnt be a problem for Beane.

So you want go and get all sensible do ya, lol, 👍