Myles Garrett requests a trade

[Virgil]

A few thoughts on all of this:

• Do we think the helmet swinging incident makes him a culture fit?  I could see that being the type of thing that McD wouldn't want around the locker room.  
• With his contract and being 29 years old, are we sure he has enough good years in the tank to justify paying him.  (Von Miller PTSD speaking here)
• Would Maxx Crosby make more sense, being 2 years younger and more experience and success against Mahomes
• If the price tag really includes a first round pick, would that really be worth it? 

To be fair, I realize that Garrett was just recently DPOY and would be amazing on the other side of Groot, as well as the money from Miller coming off the books, but I don't want to see ourselves trap ourselves in another aging bad contract. 

[OZBILLS]

Death, Taxes and Chiefs or Ravens

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Teams always seem to get much less in return than what a superstar can bring their new team if they play their best.   Josh Allen is worth more than a decade of #1 picks but you'd be lucky to get more than 2 and some change for him if he demanded a trade to a different contender.   Herschell Walker type trades don't happen any longer.

 

And that’s why it is most likely that Garrett is not traded this offseason. He wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. He’s earned that and Cleveland is willing to do that for him. But he has two seasons left on his current contract - and could be tagged after that. People saying that he has “all the leverage” in this are wrong. Cleveland can make him play or retire. He can’t get a ring retired. And I doubt that he leaves 9 figures on the table. 

[BRH]

F5

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A few thoughts on all of this:

• Do we think the helmet swinging incident makes him a culture fit?  I could see that being the type of thing that McD wouldn't want around the locker room.  
• With his contract and being 29 years old, are we sure he has enough good years in the tank to justify paying him.  (Von Miller PTSD speaking here)
• Would Maxx Crosby make more sense, being 2 years younger and more experience and success against Mahomes
• If the price tag really includes a first round pick, would that really be worth it? 

To be fair, I realize that Garrett was just recently DPOY and would be amazing on the other side of Groot, as well as the money from Miller coming off the books, but I don't want to see ourselves trap ourselves in another aging bad contract. 

If he swings the helmet at Mahomes, will anyone complain?

[ExWNYer]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A few thoughts on all of this:

• Do we think the helmet swinging incident makes him a culture fit?  I could see that being the type of thing that McD wouldn't want around the locker room.  
• With his contract and being 29 years old, are we sure he has enough good years in the tank to justify paying him.  (Von Miller PTSD speaking here)
• Would Maxx Crosby make more sense, being 2 years younger and more experience and success against Mahomes
• If the price tag really includes a first round pick, would that really be worth it? 

To be fair, I realize that Garrett was just recently DPOY and would be amazing on the other side of Groot, as well as the money from Miller coming off the books, but I don't want to see ourselves trap ourselves in another aging bad contract. 

 

• Not an issue, IMO. A one off.   
• Yes.
• Maxx Crosby hasn't demanded a trade and isn't currently known to be available.
• Yes +, IMO.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by ExWNYer

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A few thoughts on all of this:

• Do we think the helmet swinging incident makes him a culture fit?  I could see that being the type of thing that McD wouldn't want around the locker room.  
• With his contract and being 29 years old, are we sure he has enough good years in the tank to justify paying him.  (Von Miller PTSD speaking here)
• Would Maxx Crosby make more sense, being 2 years younger and more experience and success against Mahomes
• If the price tag really includes a first round pick, would that really be worth it? 

To be fair, I realize that Garrett was just recently DPOY and would be amazing on the other side of Groot, as well as the money from Miller coming off the books, but I don't want to see ourselves trap ourselves in another aging bad contract. 

- He’s one of the most charitable players in the NFL. He’s incredible off the field.

- He’s the reigning defensive player of the year and could be again. He’s in his prime.

- Crosby would be a great plan B. Garrett is certainly a better player.

- It’ll be more than a 1. How often do you get a chance to get the best defensive player in football?
 

He isn’t a “really good player.” He is one of the best ever and in his prime. You trade 4 quarters for a dollar every day.

Edited 6 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Augie]

Just now, FireChans said:

If he swings the helmet at Mahomes, will anyone complain?

 

You mean, if he misses??? 

[nedboy7]

Isn’t he like 38? 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Rousseau, a 1 and a 2? Who says no?

 

So for me it's not about the picks. It's about the money. Whatever money we'd give to Garrett, I would sign Tee Higgins and use remaining resources to add to the secondary. I really don't think Garrett is the player that gets us over the hump. His impact on the AFCCG I think would have been minimal. Having a go-to WR downfield however would have made a big. Having CBs and safeties that can man up would have given our DL more than 2 seconds to get home. I'm not interested in any major investment that doesn't fix the issues that lost us the AFCCG.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by HappyDays

[stlbills13]

The Browns front office definitely hasn't been a monumental franchise altering bad decision in recent years so I'm sure they'll get this trade right and won't hold out for too much and end up keeping a guy who won't play for them. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, mannc said:

Dallas had a pretty bad year but they are hardly a bottom-feeder and I think Garrett is from Texas…it’s still a glamor franchise.

 

 

Again.......if he wants to play for a contender, they aren't one.   Philly assures that.   Washington likely doubles that.   Dallas hasn't been to a conference championship game in 30 years.   If the Cowboys had Garrett they'd likely be looking to trade him because they just gave out massive deals to Dak and Lamb and haven't extended Parsons yet.   Bills fans would be flipping out if they had a player like Parsons and had him going into a walk year without a deal.    

 

 

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, nedboy7 said:

Isn’t he like 38? 

 

If you think early in his 29th year is 38, then "yes"...

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

And that’s why it is most likely that Garrett is not traded this offseason. He wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. He’s earned that and Cleveland is willing to do that for him. But he has two seasons left on his current contract - and could be tagged after that. People saying that he has “all the leverage” in this are wrong. Cleveland can make him play or retire. He can’t get a ring retired. And I doubt that he leaves 9 figures on the table. 

I’m telling you right now, because you are really good at this sort of thing.

 

Myles ain’t getting traded for more than 2 1sts. He just won’t be. 
 

These guys don’t get traded for that much at that age.

 

If Myles was 2 years young he may get the Mack package, but he’s too close to 30 and too many different injuries.

[Dillenger4]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A few thoughts on all of this:

• Do we think the helmet swinging incident makes him a culture fit?  I could see that being the type of thing that McD wouldn't want around the locker room.  
• With his contract and being 29 years old, are we sure he has enough good years in the tank to justify paying him.  (Von Miller PTSD speaking here)
• Would Maxx Crosby make more sense, being 2 years younger and more experience and success against Mahomes
• If the price tag really includes a first round pick, would that really be worth it? 

To be fair, I realize that Garrett was just recently DPOY and would be amazing on the other side of Groot, as well as the money from Miller coming off the books, but I don't want to see ourselves trap ourselves in another aging bad contract. 

Crosby without question! Maxx was injured last year and missed 5 games. 2023 he had 14.5 sacks - but, he has WAY more solo tackles than Garret. Hs for his whole career. Maxx Crosby is our guy if Beane can swing it.

Heck, I'll take either but Crosby is a different player. he can sack, he can chase and tackle, he cuts the edge hard!

[BillsShredder83]

40 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

This right here, our safeties and CBs need serious upgrades the guy is 30 years old give or take a few months, let’s not do a Von 2.0 and still have a huge need for Ss & CBs 

I understand this and agree they need addressing. I actually agree and 100% got behind the idea of your post. My counter arguments are:

 

-We were a team of very good, without enough blue chips that force opposing coordinators to plan against

-We have 10 (!!!) Draft Picks this year (noted below)

-Even if we selected secondary guys in the 1st or 2nd this year, are they going to be ready to roll for playoffs (let alone reg season)? Im not a "mcd doesnt start rookies" guy.  But I dont think its crazy to say a guy drafted 30th or 64th, is going to start AND be a difference maker

-We have some interesting guys in the pipeline in Cole Bishop and that UDFA signing from UB whos name escapes me at the moment

-We still have FA. A position we've historically been able to use sorcery to solve the position (we got Benford in 6th or 7th, Poyer, Hyde, Rapp, even that guy from Watkins trade & Rams)

 

THIS TRADE ABSOLUTELY PUTS US IN A BETTER SPOT FOR 2025. If we can make it only a #1 this year (or even a later rd as second pick), and give up a #1 plus whatever next year.  Itd give us another year to prepare, I dont think anyone saw Garrett becoming available

 

 

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Source: Bills Have 10 Picks NFLDraft Buzz.com

 

Round 1: Pick 30

Round 2: Pick 24

Round 2: Pick 30

Round 4: Pick 6

Round 4: Pick 29

Round 5: Pick 32

Round 5: Pick 35

Round 5: Pick 38

Round 6: Pick 27

Round 6: Pick 29

 

 

[julian]

52 minutes ago, colin said:

if the price is 25 first and 26 first, or 25 first and 26 second, then that's easily worth it from a draft capital stance.  more picks might be doable, 25 and 26 1 and a 25 2 is tougher, not saying it's a total no tho.

 

the contract is going to be the issue.  if he's gonna get 30+ per year, and with a lot of guarantees, then you have to consider how it fits into the cap structure we have.  allen would have to be extended, we'd still need to add a wr somehow, secondary (much more room in the draft there) and figure it all out.

 

i think the 2 1st picks would suit best if that's on the table.  we'd have 2 2nds to go get CBs and S and WR, or trade for a player (i think dk comes for a 3 if he's on the table, and his contract isn't bad we maybe could hold him on it for a year).  we'd even be able to extend some of our own guys if we chose too.

 

the way i look at it, would you trade elam and kinkaid for garrett?  that's an obvious no brainer.  

 

our biggest risk would be having that much cap in one guy in the case he gets injured, but we had that with von and we still got exactly where we got.  the biggest question aside would be opportunity cost -- are we missing out on a WR or CB by doing this?  

 

if we keep groot, oliver, and get some kind of DL depth, add garrett, you legit have a top 5 NFL front.  along w a top 5 Oline and RB room, and goat qb, you just find some players for the back end on the D, and everything looks way better.

 

we could mess around and upgrade RG in the 3rd or 4th and basically be what baltimore was with a physical miss match d (assuming we upgrade douglas, hamlin, and prolly bishop in the back) and a monster OL and backs.  the difference is we have josh allen.  that's a team no one wants to see.

Upgrade RG ? Huh… O’Cyrus made a big year 2 leap and is on a rookie contract trending in the right direction, with him and Brown the Bills had one of the best right sides in all of football this year.

[BillsShredder83]

10 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A few thoughts on all of this:

• Do we think the helmet swinging incident makes him a culture fit?  I could see that being the type of thing that McD wouldn't want around the locker room.  
• With his contract and being 29 years old, are we sure he has enough good years in the tank to justify paying him.  (Von Miller PTSD speaking here)
• Would Maxx Crosby make more sense, being 2 years younger and more experience and success against Mahomes
• If the price tag really includes a first round pick, would that really be worth it? 

To be fair, I realize that Garrett was just recently DPOY and would be amazing on the other side of Groot, as well as the money from Miller coming off the books, but I don't want to see ourselves trap ourselves in another aging bad contract. 

If Crosby is available, all my above applies still as well.  We're never getting a high end blue chip DE in a draft

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I understand this and agree they need addressing. I actually agree and 100% got behind the idea of your post. My counter arguments are:

 

-We were a team of very good, without enough blue chips that force opposing coordinators to plan against

-We have 10 (!!!) Draft Picks this year (noted below)

-Even if we selected secondary guys in the 1st or 2nd this year, are they going to be ready to roll for playoffs (let alone reg season)? Im not a "mcd doesnt start rookies" guy.  But I dont think its crazy to say a guy drafted 30th or 64th, is going to start AND be a difference maker

-We have some interesting guys in the pipeline in Cole Bishop and that UDFA signing from UB whos name escapes me at the moment

-We still have FA. A position we've historically been able to use sorcery to solve the position (we got Benford in 6th or 7th, Poyer, Hyde, Rapp, even that guy from Watkins trade & Rams)

 

THIS TRADE ABSOLUTELY PUTS US IN A BETTER SPOT FOR 2025. If we can make it only a #1 this year (or even a later rd as second pick), and give up a #1 plus whatever next year.  Itd give us another year to prepare, I dont think anyone saw Garrett becoming available

 

 

 

We’ll seeing that benford and rapp missed this year and last years chiefs playoff games I would say some more young help in the secondary is a must.  
 

Hopefully the bills will make the playoffs next year and they will be ready to play.

[BarleyNY]

13 minutes ago, Virgil said:

A few thoughts on all of this:

• Do we think the helmet swinging incident makes him a culture fit?  I could see that being the type of thing that McD wouldn't want around the locker room.  
• With his contract and being 29 years old, are we sure he has enough good years in the tank to justify paying him.  (Von Miller PTSD speaking here)
• Would Maxx Crosby make more sense, being 2 years younger and more experience and success against Mahomes
• If the price tag really includes a first round pick, would that really be worth it? 

To be fair, I realize that Garrett was just recently DPOY and would be amazing on the other side of Groot, as well as the money from Miller coming off the books, but I don't want to see ourselves trap ourselves in another aging bad contract. 

- There wouldn’t be any negative culture issue. Quite the opposite. 

- Yes. 3 seasons of contract guarantees are within his prime years. 

- The Bills would be wise to acquire either one they can, if either is truly available. 

- Easily two firsts and more. 

 

Josh Allen enters his age 29 season this year. Having Garrett or Crosby in their prime leading the defense for the next 3-5 seasons would be huge for this team. 

Edited 6 hours ago by BarleyNY