Myles Garrett requests a trade

[GETTOTHE50]

It’s a damn shame we don’t have a player that frequents the massage parlor on this team that we could trade 

Edited February 13 by GETTOTHE50

[appoo]

I'm wondering if a better path than spending a ton + draft capital on Myles, is to sign someone like Asante Samuel Jr ($15M), who can play man and zone better than Ras Douglas, and adds a ton of speed to boot, upgrading safety with someone like Jeremy Chinn (5-6M) who plays a Hyrbrud but most of his snaps come out of the box, and then eithe rdrafting an Edge or getting middle class guy like Joseph Ossai for like $15M. Those 3 would still likely be less of a cap hit than Myles Garrett would be, and no draft picks. 

 

And then you play more man and blitz much more to create pressure, rather than rely on just 1-2 dudes. 

[cle23]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Andrew Berry supposedly laughing at other teams about trading Garrett while cratering his franchise for Deshaun Watson is certainly one way to operate

 

The Watson trade was all Haslam.

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, appoo said:

I'm wondering if a better path than spending a ton + draft capital on Myles, is to sign someone like Asante Samuel Jr ($15M), who can play man and zone better than Ras Douglas, and adds a ton of speed to boot, upgrading safety with someone like Jeremy Chinn (5-6M) who plays a Hyrbrud but most of his snaps come out of the box, and then eithe rdrafting an Edge or getting middle class guy like Joseph Ossai for like $15M. Those 3 would still likely be less of a cap hit than Myles Garrett would be, and no draft picks. 

 

And then you play more man and blitz much more to create pressure, rather than rely on just 1-2 dudes. 

 

 

There are a number of different ways to approach it.  

 

I mean why spend $35M on journeyman free agents even?

 

You might be able to get even more production than Samuel Jr, Chinn and Ossai would provide for $35M for peanuts instead.

 

Like when Doug Whaley signed Lorenzo Alexander, Zach Brown and Tyrod Taylor in the same offseason for less than $5M combined.  He got second team All Pro pass rusher(12.5 sacks),  the NFL's leading tackler and a Pro Bowl season with an elite 8 yards per pass attempt.   Maybe the craziest cheap free agent haul in NFL history.

 

There are many ways to get there but the surest thing is still probably getting the most consistent sack producer in NFL history.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

The Watson trade was all Haslam.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, but at that time I'd think it was more than just him. I mean he may have played majority of the part, but I'd guess others likely were on board with it too. Either way, has to go down as one of the worst decisions in NFL history

[cle23]

30 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, but at that time I'd think it was more than just him. I mean he may have played majority of the part, but I'd guess others likely were on board with it too. Either way, has to go down as one of the worst decisions in NFL history

 

Absolutely.  I didn't like the trade at the time,  and I never could have thought it would go THIS bad. The FO will take the hit for it, but Haslam had to keep upping the guarantee. Just plain stupid.  

 

Otherwise,  Berry has been pretty decent.  Not spectacular,  but has has quite a bit of success. 

[Patrick Duffy]

20 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Absolutely.  I didn't like the trade at the time,  and I never could have thought it would go THIS bad. The FO will take the hit for it, but Haslam had to keep upping the guarantee. Just plain stupid.  

 

Otherwise,  Berry has been pretty decent.  Not spectacular,  but has has quite a bit of success. 

 

Yeah hate the way things turned out for the Browns, I've always kinda pulled for them and sucks how things turned out. But it's usually not a good thing when owners are way too much involved imo

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Unpopular opinion: If Cook refuses to play ball, he could potentially be another huge piece of trade bait for either Garrett or Crosby. I would hate for him to go, but I do not wanna end up in another Diggs situation and would rather nip that issue in the bud sooner than later. I’d rather have one of those 2 elite DEs and roll the dice with Davis, Ty Johnson, and rookie/ FA. 

[Ray Finkel]

I believe a player who could help us with the pass rush is Malcolm Koonce who is a free agent.  He was out for almost all of 2024 but had 8 sacks with the Raiders in 2023.  He went to UB and is only 26. He would be a nice addition along with a Myles Garrett type signing.  Probably wouldn’t cost too much also.

[appoo]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There are a number of different ways to approach it.  

 

I mean why spend $35M on journeyman free agents even?

 

You might be able to get even more production than Samuel Jr, Chinn and Ossai would provide for $35M for peanuts instead.

 

Like when Doug Whaley signed Lorenzo Alexander, Zach Brown and Tyrod Taylor in the same offseason for less than $5M combined.  He got second team All Pro pass rusher(12.5 sacks),  the NFL's leading tackler and a Pro Bowl season with an elite 8 yards per pass attempt.   Maybe the craziest cheap free agent haul in NFL history.

 

There are many ways to get there but the surest thing is still probably getting the most consistent sack producer in NFL history.

you have a good rebuttal here, but it's an interesting discussion I think. For example against the Chiefs, they had a DLine of Chris Jones and George Karlaftis, and the only time they really got pressure is when they blitzed. 

 

I've generally been pro front 4 pressure and coverage behind it, but individual blocking, and unit blocking can do a great job of spiking individuals, and even then QBs can move some to avoid a single rusher. I'm philosophically leaning towards the blitz in the age of the mobile QB. There;s more unpredcitability

Edited February 14 by appoo

[Warriorspikes51]

35 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

I believe a player who could help us with the pass rush is Malcolm Koonce who is a free agent.  He was out for almost all of 2024 but had 8 sacks with the Raiders in 2023.  He went to UB and is only 26. He would be a nice addition along with a Myles Garrett type signing.  Probably wouldn’t cost too much also.

I love this idea. Koonce plus Maxx or Myles and were good at Edge for a while

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Unpopular opinion: If Cook refuses to play ball, he could potentially be another huge piece of trade bait for either Garrett or Crosby. I would hate for him to go, but I do not wanna end up in another Diggs situation and would rather nip that issue in the bud sooner than later. I’d rather have one of those 2 elite DEs and roll the dice with Davis, Ty Johnson, and rookie/ FA. 

 

You’ve got to nip it in the bud!

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There are a number of different ways to approach it.  

 

I mean why spend $35M on journeyman free agents even?

 

You might be able to get even more production than Samuel Jr, Chinn and Ossai would provide for $35M for peanuts instead.

 

Like when Doug Whaley signed Lorenzo Alexander, Zach Brown and Tyrod Taylor in the same offseason for less than $5M combined.  He got second team All Pro pass rusher(12.5 sacks),  the NFL's leading tackler and a Pro Bowl season with an elite 8 yards per pass attempt.   Maybe the craziest cheap free agent haul in NFL history.

 

There are many ways to get there but the surest thing is still probably getting the most consistent sack producer in NFL history.

And not even playing with a lead all that much.  His stats on a great team - we may be in Bruce territory.

[colin]

i was all about maxing out vertical wr, potentially LG upgrade, doing as much as we can to improve CB and overall coverage, and just figuring out the rest of the d before the parsons, garrett, and crosby rumors started swirling.

 

i see garrett as the best d player in the nfl, and a shocking "scheme" fit.  pass rush, physical presence, nasty nasty guy, high motor.  he solves our stoutness, lack of size, lack of nasty, and pass rush issues all at once.  as crap as our pass rush has been (along w our coverage) on 3rd downs, our pressure rate has been pretty solid the entire last like 5 seasons.  one extra guy who can generate pressures and sacks on his own will help every single guy rushing the passer, that pressure rate will convert to sacks and qb hits which create bad throws.  we need to improve the coverage, but if it goes from hot dog water to meh, if you super charge the pass rush then it's enough.

 

from what i've seen, our 2025 and 2026 firsts might be enough for garrett.  even with a huge contract (35 a year) we'd have room to make value moves at CB and possibly WR, and lots of picks to get players all over the place.  

 

remember how we used to move groot inside on some 3rd downs?  garrett, oliver, groot, and AJ/anybody is a horrible horrible line to face on 3rd down.  maybe the worst in the nfl.

[cle23]

13 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Unpopular opinion: If Cook refuses to play ball, he could potentially be another huge piece of trade bait for either Garrett or Crosby. I would hate for him to go, but I do not wanna end up in another Diggs situation and would rather nip that issue in the bud sooner than later. I’d rather have one of those 2 elite DEs and roll the dice with Davis, Ty Johnson, and rookie/ FA. 

 

The only issue there is the return for Cook will be lower because teams know he is looking for the huge contract too.  Giving up picks AND the huge contract to a RB isn't common.  Who knows though, the RB seems to be making a bit of a come back. 

[dayman]

Get it done

[BillsPride12]

15 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Yeah hate the way things turned out for the Browns, I've always kinda pulled for them and sucks how things turned out. But it's usually not a good thing when owners are way too much involved imo

You won't get any argument from the Sabres fans on this board 

[BuffaloBillyG]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There are a number of different ways to approach it.  

 

I mean why spend $35M on journeyman free agents even?

 

You might be able to get even more production than Samuel Jr, Chinn and Ossai would provide for $35M for peanuts instead.

 

Like when Doug Whaley signed Lorenzo Alexander, Zach Brown and Tyrod Taylor in the same offseason for less than $5M combined.  He got second team All Pro pass rusher(12.5 sacks),  the NFL's leading tackler and a Pro Bowl season with an elite 8 yards per pass attempt.   Maybe the craziest cheap free agent haul in NFL history.

 

There are many ways to get there but the surest thing is still probably getting the most consistent sack producer in NFL history.

Agree. It's not about the name on the back it's about finding dudes at value who work well and are a fit for your system, locker room and city. A great example of this would be Mack Hollins.

 

It's what some professional GMs still don't comprehend to this day. Look at all the big name splash FA signings and trades some teams do. The Dolphins. The Jets. They constantly go after that "big name". They invest big money and/or draft picks to get them and they flame out. An example of this is Odell by the Dolphins last year. 

[JP51]

18 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Yeah hate the way things turned out for the Browns, I've always kinda pulled for them and sucks how things turned out. But it's usually not a good thing when owners are way too much involved imo

You are correct, and like you always had a soft spot for them ever since they lost the team and Big Dawg would bring his crew to Bills games and cheer for us... that changed though when Haslam signed Watson to that insane deal on the heals of being sued by like 20 women for his alleged depravity... at that point I was like I really hope this blows up in your face... I suspect 31 other owners felt the same way.... 

[Warriorspikes51]

Day _______ of pounding the tables for this

 

Throw them picks at Cleveland until they cave