Myles Garrett requests a trade

[Thrivefourfive]

8 hours ago, Punch said:

Considering Garrett has been a good soldier who publicly asked for a trade, I don't think the Browns will play hardball with him. It's a business and they will (and should) maximize the return, but the player has expressed his wishes and earned the right, they're not going to risk it getting ugly.

He got the okay form the Browns, in some fashion, I’d think. That letter was a See Ya forever type of deal. And I don’t think he’s thinking about sitting out next year 😂

[Alphadawg7]

11 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

As I've said numerous times, I've never said Garrett wouldn't be an improvement to the Pass Rush and isn't a great player. That post was just to say that the common thread on here of adding him equals a ring so you do whatever it takes isn't accurate to me.

 

Like @HappyDays pointed out (sorry to keep tagging you, but you've been hitting on points I'm in line with) - against KC, there wasn't a whole lot of opportunities to get to Mahomes to begin with. His passes were mostly out, quick release. And there would have been even more of an emphasis on getting the ball out quick to neutralize Garrett if he were on the field.

 

But you know what would have made a difference? If we could have scored TD's on more than 4 of our 9 Drives. If 4 of our 9 Drives weren't Punts or Turnovers on Downs. If Josh had a guy that could beat his man and separate without having to run around and hope protection breaks down somewhere.

 

Josh threw for 127 yards against Baltimore and 237 against KC. If not for the sheer will of James Cook in the 2nd Half, we wouldn't have stayed in the game. And when push came to shove, our pass catchers dropped the ball. Literally and figuratively.

 

The key to beating Mahomes and Reid is to score more points than them. They regularly overcome the best Defenses in the Playoffs. We've tried the "more defense" route with them and it's gotten us nowhere in the Playoffs. 

 

Do I believe we need another DE and an improvement in Pass Rush? Yes. But we also need to replace Daquan Jones in the middle of the line. And we also need to find Rasul Douglas' replacement opposite Christian Benford. And yes, I do believe the most important thing is having a True #1 WR for Josh.

 

Would I be thrilled to have Garrett? Of course. But the cost is so much in terms of Draft compensation and a new contract that a number of those areas are going to have to be neglected more than they should.

 

You obviously, and adamantly so, believe that Pass Rush is the most important thing. I, respectfully, disagree. And we'll have to agree to disagree there. If we have a shot at someone like DK Metcalf or Tee Higgins - I would do that first and address DE with a less expensive option. But if Beane chooses Garrett, I would of course be on board and thrilled to have him.

This idea we didn’t have time to get to Mahomes that @HappyDayskeeps posting about is IMHO is getting over stated and a bit exaggerated.  There were plenty of opportunities to get to Mahomes.  And overall, this idea that when Mahomes does get the ball out quickly he can’t be affected by someone like Garrett too is also not really an accurate statement as someone like Garrett completely changes the protections on those plays like when they choose to double Garrett and it helps spring someone else to disrupt the play off the jump.  Not to mention Garrett himself getting into the backfield quickly or the way having Garrett impacts a DC’s decisions and how they call the game.

 

And we scored 29 points but lost to a team who had not scored over 30 all season by giving up 32.  
 

And no offense to you or Happy, but historically, your idea of trying to keep scoring more points at the expense of neglecting your defense has been proven repeatedly to be an ineffective way to win a SB over and over again.  Meanwhile, competent or better defensive capabilities have played a major role in every dynasty the NFL has ever seen, including the current one.  Stats, results, and facts both in the modern era and throughout NFL history don’t support all offense over defense.  

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 2/3/2025 at 9:31 PM, Sojourner said:

Option A. 
If you hit on those 3 picks you have them at team friendly prices for years. 
 

 

The Garrett acquisition better be an immediate impact, which it will. But one that lasts into the playoffs. If he disappears then, we have a problem lol

IF. 

[JGMcD2]

8 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

enough of these "he's a good edge setter" "he's good at collapsing the pocket" "he's good at getting pressures but never gets many sacks" type of guys. The fact that everyone is ok with players like this is why we will never go anywhere. The guy got 3 sacks the first game of the season, he got 2 and half the rest of the year. What are you talking about that he is better than I give him credit for?

 

Jared Verse (75% of Snaps) has put up nearly identical numbers as Rousseau (49% of Snaps) did at age 21, but Verse is a 24-year-old rookie and is widely expected to win ROY, with everyone fawning over him.
 

Meanwhile, some people are arguing that Rousseau is below average, despite showing continued growth from age 21 to 24. 

Edited 9 hours ago by JGMcD2

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

He's not getting sacks. All of the amazing "pressures" don't mean nothing if you only get home 2.5 times from week 2 until week 18

I’m sorry that you don’t completely understand the game of football,  but pressures can lead to incompletions and turnovers (and turnovers on down).

 

I don’t have access to those stats.  Does anyone here have access to those kind of advanced stats?

 

I get it-  sacks are the only metric that matters to you-  there are several like you out there. It’s not your fault

[colin]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

As I've said numerous times, I've never said Garrett wouldn't be an improvement to the Pass Rush and isn't a great player. That post was just to say that the common thread on here of adding him equals a ring so you do whatever it takes isn't accurate to me.

 

Like @HappyDays pointed out (sorry to keep tagging you, but you've been hitting on points I'm in line with) - against KC, there wasn't a whole lot of opportunities to get to Mahomes to begin with. His passes were mostly out, quick release. And there would have been even more of an emphasis on getting the ball out quick to neutralize Garrett if he were on the field.

 

But you know what would have made a difference? If we could have scored TD's on more than 4 of our 9 Drives. If 4 of our 9 Drives weren't Punts or Turnovers on Downs. If Josh had a guy that could beat his man and separate without having to run around and hope protection breaks down somewhere.

 

Josh threw for 127 yards against Baltimore and 237 against KC. If not for the sheer will of James Cook in the 2nd Half, we wouldn't have stayed in the game. And when push came to shove, our pass catchers dropped the ball. Literally and figuratively.

 

The key to beating Mahomes and Reid is to score more points than them. They regularly overcome the best Defenses in the Playoffs. We've tried the "more defense" route with them and it's gotten us nowhere in the Playoffs. 

 

Do I believe we need another DE and an improvement in Pass Rush? Yes. But we also need to replace Daquan Jones in the middle of the line. And we also need to find Rasul Douglas' replacement opposite Christian Benford. And yes, I do believe the most important thing is having a True #1 WR for Josh.

 

Would I be thrilled to have Garrett? Of course. But the cost is so much in terms of Draft compensation and a new contract that a number of those areas are going to have to be neglected more than they should.

 

You obviously, and adamantly so, believe that Pass Rush is the most important thing. I, respectfully, disagree. And we'll have to agree to disagree there. If we have a shot at someone like DK Metcalf or Tee Higgins - I would do that first and address DE with a less expensive option. But if Beane chooses Garrett, I would of course be on board and thrilled to have him.

 

In a general sense I agree with you, but sometimes the Willie's and the Joe's override the xs and the os.

 

As alpha printed out (don't read his posts, he's moved me from think Garrett is an interesting opportunity to humongous to the front of the band wage, he might change your mind to) we had a shot at a win because of one timely gap shot by Jordan Phillips of all people.  With Garrett, we might have blitzed a tiny bit more and out blitz might have been effective twice, leading to a sack and a pick, for example.  Or might have put a tackle in mahomes lap a couple times making him miss I. 3rd and long, or a stunt that got home or something.  That's an extra possession or two and some more James Cook runs and catches and yards and maybe a couple fgs and we don't chase points early and we now have 8 more points and are up 5 and win

[Kirby Jackson]

13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I understand the sentiment but if we re-drafted 2021.......Rousseau would be a top 12-15 pick.   There is no personnel chip more overrated than a 1st round pick.   They are valuable but SO overrated.   They rarely live up to the hype and only about half even get their 5th year option picked up and then some of those decisions look terrible(Greg Newsome example).   Rousseau was a HR by comparison to the field.   A solo HR perhaps, but clearly one of the better values.

 

Funny thing is I saw ESPN did a re-draft of 2024 the other day.........and everyone thinks Coleman was a disappointment right?.......but he was a first round pick in the re-draft compared to the field.   Worthy and McConkey ranked higher but lot's of teams appear to have chosen worse. 

I think Rousseau is a decent to good player. The conversation around him, in my opinion, is contract and contract only. You simply cannot pay him $20M a year and I think that’s what he gets. Use him as a chip, because he has some value, to avoid having paying him in the next year. 
 

In terms of Coleman, I’m out. He has a skill that is valuable and you can see the ability after the catch. He caught half of his targets because he’s never open. @GunnerBill said it best that he, “plays to contact.” When the ball is in the air, he isn’t looking for space. He’s looking for contact to shield the defender. He’s boxing out like he did in basketball. There is a time and place for that (ie redzone) but not every throw. IMO, he’s a role player and unlikely to ever be more. The Bills had a desperate need at the top of the WR depth chart and they took a role player after trading down twice. Hopefully he develops because there is some talent but I’m not holding my breath. I’d love to be wrong about him like I was about Hollins.

Edited 6 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This idea we didn’t have time to get to Mahomes that @HappyDayskeeps posting about is IMHO is getting over stated and exaggerated.  There were plenty of opportunities to get to Mahomes.  And overall, this idea that when Mahomes does get the ball out quickly he can’t be affected by someone like Garrett too is also not really an accurate statement as someone like Garrett completely changes the protections on those plays like when they choose to double Garrett and it helps spring someone else to disrupt the play off the jump.  Not to mention Garrett himself getting into the backfield quickly or the way having Garrett impacts a DC’s decisions and how they call the game.

 

And we scored 29 points but lost to a team who had not scored over 30 all season by giving up 32.  
 

And no offense to you or Happy, but historically, your idea of trying to keep scoring more points at the expense of improving your defense has been proven repeatedly to be an ineffective way to win a SB over and over again.  Meanwhile, defensive capabilities have played a major role in every dynasty the NFL has ever seen, including the current one.  Stats, results, and facts both in the modern era and throughout NFL history don’t support all offense over defense.  

 

In Happy’s defense, the vast majority of Mahomes passes were first read passes and on those passes Garrett or anyone else wouldn’t have made a difference.   Don’t get me wrong, having someone like him on the field would have helped but not nearly as much as you’d think.   
 

The biggest problem that game were the CB’s and the scheme.   They either played off them too much and gave up easy quick hitters or when they did try press man they were beaten so quickly and badly that Mahomes was able to easily get it to them and then get lots more YAC.

 

As an FYI, I’m definitely open to getting Garrett, but they need to get at a very minimum a corner with decent press man skills.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Just for arguments sake, taking this to logical end... any idea what a $20m contract would fetch us in comp?  I, like 99% of the world, are too regarded to understand the formula LOL even after reading it 3xs a year

Yuck..... but Browns gunna Brown soooooo you could be right

I am not good with the comp pick formula. A 3rd or a 4th maybe?

[DJB]

So has he been traded here yet ?

[london_bills]

16 minutes ago, DJB said:

So has he been traded here yet ?

Someone saw him at Buffalo airport apparently, rumours on twitter. He was seen with Zach Ertz 

[GASabresIUFan]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6110306/2025/02/04/myles-garrett-trade-proposals-browns-bills-commanders/
 

“Buffalo Bills

Browns get: 2025 first-round pick (No. 30), second-round pick (No. 62), fourth-round pick, 2026 first-round pick, DE A.J. Epenesa and CB Kaiir Elam

 

Bills get: Garrett, 2025 third-round pick (No. 94, via Buffalo) and 2025 sixth-round pick (via Minnesota)

 

The Bills were this close to getting to the Super Bowl this season and have long been proponents of getting pressure with only their front four. That group has never found the consistency Buffalo has desired, outside of the first half of 2022, before Von Miller suffered a torn ACL, and was again a problem this season. Getting an in-prime Garrett would immediately vault their defensive line into one of the best in the league, and as a right defensive end, would complement Greg Rousseau extremely well.

 

The offer is a massive one by general manager Brandon Beane’s standards. It includes two years of firsts, the better of a Day 2 pick swap, the better of a Day 3 pick swap, a replacement defensive end in Epenesa — who started the entire year for the Bills — and Elam, a 2022 first-round pick who would be better suited in a man coverage-heavy scheme like the one the Browns employ.

 

From a Bills perspective, they have the cap space, draft capital (likely 11 picks after the compensatory picks are announced), the need at the position and the Super Bowl window to make this potential deal go. — Joe Buscaglia”

 

I’d make that deal.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I am not good with the comp pick formula. A 3rd or a 4th maybe?

 

If it's $20m plus almost certainly a 3rd.

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

So has he been traded here yet ?

Yes

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

In Happy’s defense, the vast majority of Mahomes passes were first read passes and on those passes Garrett or anyone else wouldn’t have made a difference.   Don’t get me wrong, having someone like him on the field would have helped but not nearly as much as you’d think.   
 

The biggest problem that game were the CB’s and the scheme.   They either played off them too much and gave up easy quick hitters or when they did try press man they were beaten so quickly and badly that Mahomes was able to easily get it to them and then get lots more YAC.

 

As an FYI, I’m definitely open to getting Garrett, but they need to get at a very minimum a corner with decent press man skills.

 

While I get @HappyDays point, and in principle agree - our secondary needs upgrading, I think of the 4 guys only Benford is any good, - what I think we need more than any specific position is ELITE talent. Beyond Josh we don't have any. We have lots of good and very good players. We need ELITE difference makers. And Garrett sure is that.

 

We don't need someone to pressure Mahomes on every drop back. Just on 2 or 3 critical ones.

Edited 6 hours ago by GunnerBill

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If it's $20m plus almost certainly a 3rd.

Thanks. I didn’t know if there was a positional element to it as well (ie $20M for a fullback is a higher comp pick than $20M for a QB). 

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While I get @HappyDays point, and in principle agree - our secondary needs upgrading, I think of the 4 guys only Benford is any good, - what I think we need more than any specific position is ELITE talent. Beyond Josh we don't have any. We have lots of good and very good players. We need ELITE difference makers. And Garrett sure is that.

That has been an issue for a long time. That’s when I hear “next man up” or “everybody eats” I cringe. That’s code for, “it doesn’t matter who is out there because they are pretty much all the same.” That’s great for the middle to back of your roster. That’s not so great for the top.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Thanks. I didn’t know if there was a positional element to it as well (ie $20M for a fullback is a higher comp pick than $20M for a QB). 

 

 

No it is broadly, the value compared to total free agency spend that year. The only known additional qualifier is then snap %. So if you sign a massive deal but then can't get on the field that can reduce the value of the comp pick. There is speculation that % of the deal that is allocated to voided years is now being factored in too but that is unconfirmed. 

[Magox]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While I get @HappyDays point, and in principle agree - our secondary needs upgrading, I think of the 4 guys only Benford is any good, - what I think we need more than any specific position is ELITE talent. Beyond Josh we don't have any. We have lots of good and very good players. We need ELITE difference makers. And Garrett sure is that.

Im all for it, just that we need to have boundary guys that can at least hold coverage for 3 seconds to allow the pass rushers to do their thing

[eball]

Bottom line -- if Beane can acquire Garrett (ideally without losing Rousseau), it's a no-brainer and immediately makes us next year's SB favorite.  The draft can be used to get athletes in the secondary.

 

Beane's no dummy...I hope he's working every angle on this one.

 

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Jared Verse (75% of Snaps) has put up nearly identical numbers as Rousseau (49% of Snaps) did at age 21, but Verse is a 24-year-old rookie and is widely expected to win ROY, with everyone fawning over him.
 

Meanwhile, some people are arguing that Rousseau is below average, despite showing continued growth from age 21 to 24. 

Dude was a beast, but he was picked 19th.  Equating that with #30 overall is a stretch.  To get from 30th to 19th would take a hefty package to trade up.  In the last 10 years there are only a handful of DE's taken ~26th overall or later that have been stars...

 

-Rousseau 30th

-T.J. Watt: Drafted 30th overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2017

-Montez Sweat: Selected 26th overall by the Washington Football Team in 2019

-Yannick Ngakoue: third round (69th overall) by the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2016

-Trey Hendrickson: Drafted in the third round (103rd overall) by the New Orleans Saints

-Maxx Crosby: Selected in the fourth round (106th overall) by the Oakland Raiders in 2019

 

I had a hard time finding exactly how many DE's were drafted in the last decade, but its roughly ~150 selections.  To just assume there will be a Jared Verse available,  be confident we (or anyone) can spot the player, and properly develop him, is a large expectation.  Drafting 30th is a major obstacle to finding a game breaking DE.  

 

When you account that taking a DE this high is likely going to have you stray away from BPA and end up overdrafting someone.... makes it even more likely your pick will bust.

 

Through that lense, Im all in on giving up those picks. When you have at team as good as us, staying BPA is even more important.  Trying to fill DE or waiting and praying that a DE/BPA will line up, AND have it be the right guy, about sounds like hitting Powerball.  Blue chip DE's are almost impossible to get.  Pull the trigger