Myles Garrett requests a trade

[BADOLBILZ]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

An edge setter? So, he's a better Shaq Lawson? That's what Lawson was always considered, a guy that could "set the edge". That's not good enough. We NEED and elite pass rusher. If we have to give up Rousseau to get Garrett, I'm not even thinking twice. He can go "set the edge" in Cleveland 

 

 

 

Not like Shaq at all.   Rousseau ACTUALLY stops the run and creates pass rush.   He was tied for 11th in pressures and 17th in hurries among NFL DE's in 2024.   Very close to Crosby and Garrett in those pass rushing metrics.  

 

He just hasn't been able to be a finisher to this point because he's not a great athlete.   But like I said,  he has ELITE GPS if the QB steps up in the pocket.   If they could force those situations he would become a sack producer.   Or he might just get better with experience and increased natural strength like Calais Campbell did.

[Kirby Jackson]

25 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Would you rather: 

-Your offer : Rosseau, a 1st & a 2nd is my initial offer to them --AND KEEP NEXT YEARS 1ST

 

OR

 

-1ST '25, 1ST '26, AND A SECOND BUUUUT - KEEP ROUSSEAU'S PRODUCTION FOR A YEAR, AND WORK COMP SYSTEM

Oh god, Rousseau gone keeping the 1st without blinking. If you said “next year’s 4th” it is still Rousseau gone. Get that off the books and rebuild the edge. 

[Returntoglory]

37 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

What are you kicking in ?

I'll match your donation!

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I can't get to the idea that Garrett will return more than two #1 picks yet.   It's just not how the NFL generally operates wrt to star trades.  

 

And he's not a 4th year pro like Khalil Mack was when that trade went down(and Mack was considered on the same level having won NFLDPOY and already been twice 1st team All Pro so early in his career).   Garrett is the best in the game but is also a high mileage 29 year old with seriously achin' feet by comparison.

 

I'm not certain Groot would have to walk if they signed Garrett to an extension.....but it's certainly a possibility.   I wouldn't extend James Cook, but I probably know more about his off-field shenanigans than most so I understand why some fans are higher on paying that 2 down RB real money than I.   He'd have to be a 3 down back and have zero chance of suspension for me to even consider an extension and he isn't either of those.   With that money not wasted,  perhaps Groot could be kept.   Just an insane RB class entering the league.   More likely to hit on a Cook replacement than a Groot replacement(even though the DL group is good too).  

 

I don't really see extensions for any of that Benford, Bernard, Cook, Shakir group.  But the Bills may.   I'd like to see Beane use all those extra day 3 picks to try to fill those largely non-premium positions with replacements.  

 

agree this rB group likely has Cook replacement in it.  What’s the off field issues?  Being a 2 down player (not on field last drive at KC) is someone you don’t extend IMO.  

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Because he was a freshman.  You said you were going to find the quote from Richt-  find it

 

@Buffalo716 and @BADOLBILZ know what they are talking about.  You read one article (and seemingly forget what it said) and think you know everything.  
 

take another L

 

I think there are a lot of pro football only fans who don't realize the minutia of information that people who follow recruiting take in on a daily basis.   There are more, mostly-recruiting-centric podcasts every day for big schools than there are podcasts for NFL teams.   Because recruiting never stops.  If a rumor pops up about a good sophomore in HS thinking about thinking about maybe visiting a school.......it's a show.   

[SoTier]

22 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Myles Garrett is a great player. He'd undoutbedly improve our Pass Rush. But this idea that him on this team automatically makes us a Super Bowl winner is silly. He's a 14 sack a year guy (his exact total for 2023 and 2024). But he's talked about like he'll take over every game he plays in and acquiring him means we'll get a ring. It doesn't. We've got much more to do than just add Myles Garrett to the team to take us over the top. It helps. But if we don't improve the offensive firepower and fill the holes in the Secondary - we're not winning the Super Bowl even with Garrett.  

 

There's nothing automatic about winning a Super Bowl, and I think that most knowledgeable fans understand that.  Even the fans who say "Garrett = Lombardi" don't mean that literally.   It's just their shorthand for saying that they think Garrett would improve the Bills defense to the point that the Bills can beat KC or anybody else in the playoffs.  I share their enthusiasm just not their bombast.  We've seen over the last 5 years that the biggest impediment to the Bills winning a Super Bowl is their lack of clutch defensive plays, not a lack of offensive fire power.  The Bills have no "difference makers" -- players who make clutch plays -- on the defense, and they desperately need at least one.  Garrett would definitely be one.

 

20 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Like I said in my original post, he's undoubtedly very good and would definitely improve our Pass Rush. I'd obviously be pleased to add him.

 

But my feeling is that the cost to get him would be so prohibitive that things we need like a True #1 WR to go along with Keon Coleman, Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel, and Mack Hollins (who we would also need to re-sign), a starting quality CB to replace Douglas, and a replacement for Daquan Jones (who is toast) at 1T would all have to be filled with mid Round picks and Budget FA's.

 

Honest question for you - would you be happy with rolling back Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, and Hollins with a mid Round Rookie if we could acquire Garrett? Bc I thought you were always advocating that we needed more there. And we certainly can't do both a move for Garrett and a move for a veteran difference maker at WR.

 

For this current Bills team, a truly great edge rusher trumps any WR, including DK and Tyreek.  Because the Bills have Josh Allen and a top level OL, the Bills can "get by" with less talent at other skill positions.  Allen makes them all better.  Garrett can do the same for the defense.

 

20 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

what good is Garrett and his 10+ sacks when we will still be rolling out the same soft scheme that gets shredded in the playoffs

 

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the Bills play their "soft scheme" because they don't have a single truly great player on the DL -- or anywhere else on the defense?    Garrett is the kind of player who makes those around him better.   As crappy as the Browns have been in recent years, it hasn't been because of Garrett and their defense.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh god, Rousseau gone keeping the 1st without blinking. If you said “next year’s 4th” it is still Rousseau gone. Get that off the books and rebuild the edge. 

 

 

I understand the sentiment but if we re-drafted 2021.......Rousseau would be a top 12-15 pick.   There is no personnel chip more overrated than a 1st round pick.   They are valuable but SO overrated.   They rarely live up to the hype and only about half even get their 5th year option picked up and then some of those decisions look terrible(Greg Newsome example).   Rousseau was a HR by comparison to the field.   A solo HR perhaps, but clearly one of the better values.

 

Funny thing is I saw ESPN did a re-draft of 2024 the other day.........and everyone thinks Coleman was a disappointment right?.......but he was a first round pick in the re-draft compared to the field.   Worthy and McConkey ranked higher but lot's of teams appear to have chosen worse. 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, finn said:

Can you imagine having the best offensive player in the league and the best defensive player on the same team? But can Beane land Garrett, a WR1, and a  starting CB? That's a tall order. 

What FA WR's are out there? Im thinking 2nd tier, especially if we grab Garrett.  Aside from FA, are there any obvious WR's teams will be looking to deal?

 

Dont expect us to make 2 big trades, but if Garrett dont happen, maybe theres a WR1 who needs a home

[stuvian]

If the Vikings want him they have all the capitol in the world with Darnold and McCarthy 

[BillsShredder83]

58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh god, Rousseau gone keeping the 1st without blinking. If you said “next year’s 4th” it is still Rousseau gone. Get that off the books and rebuild the edge. 

Just for arguments sake, taking this to logical end... any idea what a $20m contract would fetch us in comp?  I, like 99% of the world, are too regarded to understand the formula LOL even after reading it 3xs a year

1 minute ago, stuvian said:

If the Vikings want him they have all the capitol in the world with Darnold and McCarthy 

Yuck..... but Browns gunna Brown soooooo you could be right

[longtimebillsfan]

I would love this trade, but how would we git his contract under our salary cap?

 

This seems like wishful thinking at best.

 

[Sojourner]

14 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Just for arguments sake, taking this to logical end... any idea what a $20m contract would fetch us in comp?  I, like 99% of the world, are too regarded to understand the formula LOL even after reading it 3xs a year

Yuck..... but Browns gunna Brown soooooo you could be right

That’s actually a fair point for giving up the extra 1st and retaining Groot. 
 

Not only do you have an end pairing with Myles, you might end up with decent compensation when you let him walk, cause there’s no way you sign him to a deal on the books whilst paying Garrett. Garrett might get Groot 12+ sacks. If that happens $20m is only going up. 
 

Im still wondering if they do keep Groot even then though as that hypothetical compensatory pick would be weighted in a balancing out of a first rounder instead of 2+ other picks for Myles?

Edited 6 hours ago by Sojourner

[Patrick Duffy]

22 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I understand the sentiment but if we re-drafted 2021.......Rousseau would be a top 12-15 pick.   There is no personnel chip more overrated than a 1st round pick.   They are valuable but SO overrated.   They rarely live up to the hype and only about half even get their 5th year option picked up and then some of those decisions look terrible(Greg Newsome example).   Rousseau was a HR by comparison to the field.   A solo HR perhaps, but clearly one of the better values.

 

Funny thing is I saw ESPN did a re-draft of 2024 the other day.........and everyone thinks Coleman was a disappointment right?.......but he was a first round pick in the re-draft compared to the field.   Worthy and McConkey ranked higher but lot's of teams appear to have chosen worse. 

 

That's what seems to be the case with some people. But did they think that way earlier in the season when he made some plays or after he got hurt did he become a disappointment? 

 

Because I thought he did half decent before the injury myself. Anyway, I just don't know if I'd call his entire season a disappointment

[JPP]

FYI...Trades wont become official until after March 12TH....they can talk all they want but nothing solidified until the new season begins...but with that said just do it!  Get Garrett and Kupp Beane!  Work your magic and get er done!

[Alphadawg7]

On 2/3/2025 at 3:32 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Myles Garrett is a great player. He'd undoutbedly improve our Pass Rush. But this idea that him on this team automatically makes us a Super Bowl winner is silly. He's a 14 sack a year guy (his exact total for 2023 and 2024). But he's talked about like he'll take over every game he plays in and acquiring him means we'll get a ring. It doesn't. We've got much more to do than just add Myles Garrett to the team to take us over the top. It helps. But if we don't improve the offensive firepower and fill the holes in the Secondary - we're not winning the Super Bowl even with Garrett.  

 

No disrespect bud, but I think you are way undervaluing a player like Garrett and also undervaluing how good the Bills 2024 offense was...it was historically great.  

 

First, no one said Garrett automatically makes us a super bowl winner.  Second, a 14 sack guy is a pretty damn good player.  What you arent seeing is all the other non sack plays where he blows up the pocket and forces a bad throw/turnover, or a throw away, stops a run for a loss, tackles the QB for a short gain that isn't scored a sack, knocks a pass down, and more importantly draws double and triple coverage helping the rest of your D be more effective.  

 

Your minimization of the 14 sacks tells me you may just not understand the impact a difference maker on the edge can be and how it affects the whole defense.  Don't take my word for it, just look at what GM's pay these guys.  And the reality is, if you take Chris Jones off the Chiefs, there is no way they are reigning back to back SB Champs, and they certainly don't reach the SB 3 straight seasons.  

 

And you said we must ":improve the offensive firepower" over essentially the deficiencies we have on defense.  Do you even realize the Bills 2024 offense was the 16th highest scoring offense in NFL history...and that is while factoring in taking off whole quarters in several games, even most of whole halves and skipping the final game of the season.  They set a number of offensive NFL records as a team, including most wins by 20+ points in NFL history and numerous individual offensive records.  Dont get me wrong, we need to add another outside WR who can put pressure downfiled as well, but you act like this offense was inept the way you and some others descirbe it.  It was literally and factually historically great to go along with the fact that we are also the highest scoring team in the NFL over the past 5 seasons too.  

 

So really what you are saying, the only way the Bills can do any better is to have one of the top 10, or top 5, or even the #1 offense in history to win a SB.  Funny thing about that...only 3 of the top 10 offenses in history even won a SB (5th, 8th, and 10th ranked offenses) and the other 7 won nothing including the top 4 offenses won had 2 SB losers and 2 teams that didn't make the SB...the 2 teams that didn't reach were the 2018 Mahomes led Chiefs, his highest powered offense of his career and the 2024 Lions where they were devastated by defensive injuries during the season.  

 

This idea that even more offense automatically gets us there is neither historically or currently accurate.  Meanwhile, the Chiefs with a mediocre offensive core around Mahomes at best the past 3 seasons are in their 3rd straight Super Bowl with a chance to be the first team in history to three peat.  The dynasty before them was the Pats who also won 6 Super Bowls with mediocre offensive cast (and some years worse than that) around Brady and lost 3 Super Bowls when the Pats where a high powered passing attack including losing to Nick Foles when Brady threw over 500 yards in the Super Bowl.  

 

We all love offense, but if you cant get off the field on defense, then you put the pressure on the offense to be perfect in the postseason against opponents who are all winning teams above .500.  And that includes needing the refs to be perfect too.  And we lost to KC because the refs f-ed us twice on the same set of downs stealing 2 first downs from us which then our defense allowed KC to score a TD and 2 pt conversion.  But we still had a chance to over come the refs screw job...but Allen misread the coverage, shifted protection to the wrong side, threw a hero ball under duress and a TE with hurt knees failed to come down with the catch on the adjustment.  Allen wasn't perfect.  Kincaid wasn't perfect.  Season over.

 

But what happens if we get a 3rd down stop instead of surrendering an 8 point drive on that series?  Or just one stop on one of their other scoring series?  We still only lost by 3...one stop would have been the difference in the game the last 3 losses to KC in the playoffs.  Just one.  

 

If you want to keep leaving it in the hands of the offense needing to be perfect in every postseason well then good luck, its a much tougher way to win.  

 

PS:  The Number 1 QB and #1 WR in the NFL this season were on the same team...they also had Tee Higgins too...they didn't make the playoffs.  But the Steelers in the same division did with a weak passing attack led by the combo of washed Russel Wilson and bust Justin Fields.  Offense isn't everything.

Edited 4 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Because we only have so much cap space and draft capital. Realistically we can afford one “big” free agent or trade for a player with high cap.

 

If that player is Garrett, then we’ve spent all of our cap and draft budget pretty much. The secondary would have to largely stay the same with some day 2 and/or day 3 picks and low price FA.

 

Johnson and Benford were Day 3 picks.  It's relatively easy to find DBs outside of the first round.   It's rare to get a great DE/EDGE outside of the top 10 (Parson went #12 because 4 QBs went in the top 10 picks that year).   It's almost impossible to get one at the bottom of the first round. 

 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

50 minutes ago, stuvian said:

If the Vikings want him they have all the capitol in the world with Darnold and McCarthy 

I feel like Garrett is a bit of a weird fit in their scheme as a heavy base DE. I suppose he would move to OLB. He would still eat cuz he’s a dude, but they use so many simulated pressures there I am not sure they really need him. 

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I could misread the Browns feelings about Newsome but he definitely wasn't coming off his best season.   

 

Newsome was heavily criticized in season and I remember hearing that they were looking to move him at the deadline because I've always remembered the Bills reported interest.

 

But nobody was taking on that terrible 2025 guaranteed salary.

 

Things went from bad to worse as the season progressed and he ended up ranked 105th among 115 CB's on PFF in 2024 and finished the season injured.

 

I believe Newsome has to have a significant net-negative trade value and I read from the Browns sites that his guaranteed salary for 2025 is actually $13.3M.   

 

I'd definitely rather he wasn't included but a stumbling block to a deal is the Browns figuring out how to create the space to eat the dead money on Garrett's deal.   It's why a team like Washington who has an abundance of cap room would make sense.   The question is whether Washington would give away that much because the reality is that their roster is not that good/deep and if Daniels regresses back to reality like CJ Stroud did it would hurt to not have those picks.   

 

You're right, I was erroneously looking at his 2023 stats (as his Wiki doesn't list his 2024 stats for whatever reason). 

 

It appears he did have a down season in 2024. But his first 3 years were good enough to be a part of the PFWA's All Rookie team, be a full time starter, and for the Browns to exercise their 5th Year Option on him. 

 

While the down year and the high price of a 1st Round 5th Year Option undoubtedly drops his value from what it was, I don't think he's now a net negative. Last year the Browns organization as a whole was misled chaos and about as a dark cloud you can have over a locker room as any. I think teams would take that into account and look at last year as an anomaly compared to the 3 years prior.

 

I'd put his value at about a 3rd Round Pick. Which is what Bleacher Report suggests in a proposed trade for Newsome to San Francisco: https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/will-the-49ers-trade-for-cleveland-browns-cb-greg-newsome-01jk91jmhzzd

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Most people think he’s really good.  Good rusher and elite run defender.  He’s not an elite pass rusher- so he can’t be “very good”?  He’s very good

He's not even a elite defender. He's a "good" player. Not very good. As I put it in another comment, he's a good "edge setter". We need a pass rusher. 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not like Shaq at all.   Rousseau ACTUALLY stops the run and creates pass rush.   He was tied for 11th in pressures and 17th in hurries among NFL DE's in 2024.   Very close to Crosby and Garrett in those pass rushing metrics.  

 

He just hasn't been able to be a finisher to this point because he's not a great athlete.   But like I said,  he has ELITE GPS if the QB steps up in the pocket.   If they could force those situations he would become a sack producer.   Or he might just get better with experience and increased natural strength like Calais Campbell did.

Ok, so this is the Jerry Hughes argument then? The guy that everyone loved that was great at getting pressures but only ever got like 5 sacks a season? He isn't "very good". He is not a player you invest $20-$25 million a year in

[Orlando Buffalo]

I have realized after discussing with some people, due to our problems drafting well in the 1st round, I would give up three first to Garrett so long as we get back  3 picks in later rounds over next 2 years.