Myles Garrett requests a trade

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Our first round picks are devalued, but from a players view we are probably in the top 3 of places you would want to be traded to if you are Garrett.  And that does matter.  Garrett wants a chance to win a Super Bowl, and Buffalo is honestly below KC and tied with the Eagles for the chance of that starting next year.

I agree with that, but I don’t always believe it when a guy like Garrett says “I want to compete for a championship.”  I suspect he could convince himself that the Cowboys are competitive enough if he gets to play in a nice, warm dome, in his hometown, for the most glamorous franchise in football.

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

he does NOT follow the Bills official IG account

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

18 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There is no excuse to not make the call. But no excuse to go get him? 

 

The cost of what it would take to get him would be substantial. And not just with what it would take to acquire him but with what it would take to get him under contract.

 

It would cost us Draft Picks that are under cheap Rookie contracts, probably a player that is important to our success, and then a large amount of cap space - hindering us from signing players that will improve the team and re-signing players important to our success.

 

The last time we did a Trade close to this magnitude was for Stefon Diggs. And without even getting into players his contract may have cost us, just in Draft Compensation - it cost us Justin Jefferson. Bad luck? Sure. But when you give up Picks, you never know who you'll miss out on when you give away lottery tickets.

 

Looking at what we need to do to this offseason, we need to do a lot more than just improving the Pass Rush. We greatly need to improve the WR core. We only have Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, and Curtis Samuel under contract. We need to find a Starting CB opposite Christian Benford. We need to get a starting Safety opposite Taylor Rapp or start Cole Bishop and hope he improves in Year 2. At DT, we only have Ed Oliver, Daquan Jones, and Dewayne Carter under contract. And Daquan Jones is completely toast, so we need a Starter plus 2 Rotational DT's. Acquiring Garrett would make doing this somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible.

 

Then there's the fact that after this offseason, we have all of Christian Benford, Greg Rousseau, Khalil Shakir, James Cook, and Terrel Bernard as Free Agents. A Myles Garrett contract would make retaining a lot of them harder. In the case of Rousseau, you aren't re-signing him to the type of contract he's going to command if you're paying Garrett. So you might as well include him in the trade.

 

All this to say, there's no reason to not make the call. But there's PLENTY of "excuses" to not pull the trigger. 

Yes I could have worded that better. There is no excuse to not throw a legit offer to the Browns is pretty much what I was implying.

Edited 14 hours ago by BuffaloBillsGospel2014

[Bruffalo]

Yeah, I’d pay just about anything for him. 
 

Beane isn’t a home run hitter early in the draft anyways, to me the picks aren’t a super high value. 
 

Garret would change the defense and could actually make the bend don’t break work against good teams.

Edited 13 hours ago by Bruffalo

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Looking at OTC's cap table, we can easily get to like $30M in cap space this offseason and that's with me barely trying. I don't see any way we come away with Garrett and Metcalf. Unless I'm way off base on Metcalf's value the 2025 1st rounder would be mandatory. But I could see us coming away with Garrett and Higgins if Beane decides to push all his chips in. Paying top tier money to a QB, WR, and pass rusher not only should be possible but should be the goal for every franchise. In that scenario of course I'd be ecstatic that we made major upgrades on both sides of the ball. I just worry that Beane won't go that far. He'll make his one splash move and then add Darius Slayton and his usual band of overpaid depth players and call it a day.

 

At the point of acquisition you need the cap space to acquire a $20M cap hit player like Garrett or a $22M player like Metcalf.   But once acquired the new team can add void years and/or re-work the contract to lower the cap hit for that season substantially.   They could get them both in for about $5M each, quite easily if they so desired.

 

I actually think that acquiring Garrett might require a team to take on Greg Newsome's $12M+ 5th year option to help Cleveland get the cap room to swing the deal.  Which is why a team like Washington, with a lot of cap space as well as an obvious need at boundary CB probably has an edge.   The Bills reportedly loved Newsome in that draft though as well.  

 

The Bills didn't have the cap room to trade Stef Diggs last year until they suddenly figured it out.   I agree that it's unlikely that they get 2 name players this offseason but it's probably least likely of all that they pay market rate for Tee Higgins in free agency.   That's unfathomable to me.  They aren't in position to pay an injury prone possession WR $28M-$30M aav with all the guarantees that the leverage of unrestricted free agency negotiation allows.

 

I look at the money aspect this way.......are you willing to lose Benford, Bernard, Rousseau, Cook and Shakir?   I am and therefore there is plenty of long term money to pay a couple stars.

 

I would prefer to keep Rousseau because of the long term potential and being a premium position...........but certainly the rest I suspect the Bills would be glad they didn't extend a couple years from now.   Benford and Bernard are high risk injury guys to me.  Cook and Shakir play non-premium positions.  I hope Beane doesn't make the mistake of extending any of those other 4 this offseason and I'd rather find out if Rousseau can find another level with walk-year motivation than extend him early as well.

 

As for the cost on Metcalf,  I doubt it would be a first rounder because he's a rental at this point.   These guys go for second round picks.   I've read some of the stuff in the Seattle media and they've been asking people in the league what DK would be worth and that is the answer.   A 2 or a 2 and a 4.  

 

And I would suspect teams like Cleveland and Seattle will want half of what they get to be in 2026 draft picks because everyone is hoping on QB's from that class.

[Magox]

34 minutes ago, mannc said:

I agree with that, but I don’t always believe it when a guy like Garrett says “I want to compete for a championship.”  I suspect he could convince himself that the Cowboys are competitive enough if he gets to play in a nice, warm dome, in his hometown, for the most glamorous franchise in football.

Dallas will not be in contention

[Buffalo03]

Garrett should just say he has naked pictures of 31 GMs and HCs not named Beane and McDermott and that he will expose them if not traded to Buffalo

[Norcalbillsfan]

16 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Yeah, I’d pay just about anything for him. 
 

Beane isn’t a home run hitter early in the draft anyways, to me the picks aren’t a super high value. 
 

Garret would change the defense and could actually make the bend don’t break actually work against good teams.

Agreed, from what beane has showed us, we would be missing out on guys like Elam, oliver, Rousseau, and Coleman? Give me Crosby/garret over all those guys combined.

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, Magox said:

Dallas will not be in contention

With Garrett, they would be in playoff contention, which might be good enough in Garrett’s mind.

[JP51]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Garrett should just say he has naked pictures of 31 GMs and HCs not named Beane and McDermott and that he will expose them if not traded to Buffalo

I will take it LOL... 

[RyanC883]

Some interesting stats (from Syracuse.com): 

 

In this season's week 15 game v. KC, Garrett had 12 pressures.  The Bills entire team had 14 against KC in the AFC Championship.  

 

In three career games against Mahomes, Garret alone has 2 sacks.  

 

And here is a trade proposal from The Athletic: 

 

Bowns get: 2025 1st round; 2nd round (62), fourth-round; 2026 1st round; and AJ Epenesa and CB Kaiir Elam.  

 

Bills get: Garrett, 2025 third, (94) and 2025 sixth round.  

 

I'd do this.  Bean is awful in the first round, and there is no instant-impact Garret like player.  We need impact, and now.  Elam is not going to be extended anyway, and if the Browns demanded Rousseau I'd trade him, but would rather keep him for another year to pair with Garrett while a 3rd round DE is groomed.  However, keeping AJ and trading Rousseau is not terrible, AJ would be much better with Garrett opposite him, and then you still draft a 3rd round DE.  You also still have Solomon.  

[Bruffalo]

13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Some interesting stats (from Syracuse.com): 

 

In this season's week 15 game v. KC, Garrett had 12 pressures.  The Bills entire team had 14 against KC in the AFC Championship.  

 

In three career games against Mahomes, Garret alone has 2 sacks.  

 

And here is a trade proposal from The Athletic: 

 

Bowns get: 2025 1st round; 2nd round (62), fourth-round; 2026 1st round; and AJ Epenesa and CB Kaiir Elam.  

 

Bills get: Garrett, 2025 third, (94) and 2025 sixth round.  

 

I'd do this.  Bean is awful in the first round, and there is no instant-impact Garret like player.  We need impact, and now.  Elam is not going to be extended anyway, and if the Browns demanded Rousseau I'd trade him, but would rather keep him for another year to pair with Garrett while a 3rd round DE is groomed.  However, keeping AJ and trading Rousseau is not terrible, AJ would be much better with Garrett opposite him, and then you still draft a 3rd round DE.  You also still have Solomon.  

That seems almost cheap. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. 

[High Mark]

I heard a quick segment on the radio about the NFL expecting the cap to increase over $90 million in the next 3 years.  I assume that’s an increase of 30 mil a year?  Which means we can afford Garrett 

[wppete]

Twitter is pretty wild. this is not real its AI for anyone that doesnt know 😂
 

 

[BuffaloBill]

25 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Some interesting stats (from Syracuse.com): 

 

In this season's week 15 game v. KC, Garrett had 12 pressures.  The Bills entire team had 14 against KC in the AFC Championship.  

 

In three career games against Mahomes, Garret alone has 2 sacks.  

 

And here is a trade proposal from The Athletic: 

 

Bowns get: 2025 1st round; 2nd round (62), fourth-round; 2026 1st round; and AJ Epenesa and CB Kaiir Elam.  

 

Bills get: Garrett, 2025 third, (94) and 2025 sixth round.  

 

I'd do this.  Bean is awful in the first round, and there is no instant-impact Garret like player.  We need impact, and now.  Elam is not going to be extended anyway, and if the Browns demanded Rousseau I'd trade him, but would rather keep him for another year to pair with Garrett while a 3rd round DE is groomed.  However, keeping AJ and trading Rousseau is not terrible, AJ would be much better with Garrett opposite him, and then you still draft a 3rd round DE.  You also still have Solomon.  

 

 

The Athletic trade is interesting because the Bills move on from Kaiir.  However, the total draft o picks given up is a very steep price to pay.

 

 

I also add that I believe somehow Beane gets a trade done for Garrett. I hope it is not the Athletic deal but who knows.

[BrooklynBills]

17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

At the point of acquisition you need the cap space to acquire a $20M cap hit player like Garrett or a $22M player like Metcalf.   But once acquired the new team can add void years and/or re-work the contract to lower the cap hit for that season substantially.   They could get them both in for about $5M each, quite easily if they so desired.

 

I actually think that acquiring Garrett might require a team to take on Greg Newsome's $12M+ 5th year option to help Cleveland get the cap room to swing the deal.  Which is why a team like Washington, with a lot of cap space as well as an obvious need at boundary CB probably has an edge.   The Bills reportedly loved Newsome in that draft though as well.  

 

The Bills didn't have the cap room to trade Stef Diggs last year until they suddenly figured it out.   I agree that it's unlikely that they get 2 name players this offseason but it's probably least likely of all that they pay market rate for Tee Higgins in free agency.   That's unfathomable to me.  They aren't in position to pay an injury prone possession WR $28M-$30M aav with all the guarantees that the leverage of unrestricted free agency negotiation allows.

 

I look at the money aspect this way.......are you willing to lose Benford, Bernard, Rousseau, Cook and Shakir?   I am and therefore there is plenty of long term money to pay a couple stars.

 

I would prefer to keep Rousseau because of the long term potential and being a premium position...........but certainly the rest I suspect the Bills would be glad they didn't extend a couple years from now.   Benford and Bernard are high risk injury guys to me.  Cook and Shakir play non-premium positions.  I hope Beane doesn't make the mistake of extending any of those other 4 this offseason and I'd rather find out if Rousseau can find another level with walk-year motivation than extend him early as well.

 

As for the cost on Metcalf,  I doubt it would be a first rounder because he's a rental at this point.   These guys go for second round picks.   I've read some of the stuff in the Seattle media and they've been asking people in the league what DK would be worth and that is the answer.   A 2 or a 2 and a 4.  

 

And I would suspect teams like Cleveland and Seattle will want half of what they get to be in 2026 draft picks because everyone is hoping on QB's from that class.

 

Unless Garrett is traded before Mar 17, I almost positive that the acquiring team will only need to have 1.255M of cap space open to trade for Garrett. He has a bonus due on Mar 17 and his 2025 salary is only 1.255M.

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

47 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Garrett should just say he has naked pictures of 31 GMs and HCs not named Beane and McDermott and that he will expose them if not traded to Buffalo

 

 

Not necessary, actually.   Garrett has a no trade clause in his contract.....so in asking the Browns for a trade he is basically telling them he has to want to go to that team.   But it's really just a handful of teams either way.  

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm going to make one last post on this which should summarize my thoughts, and then I'm going to leave it alone.

 

Everything you say here is of course correct. Logically it seems obvious that Garrett would impact the game because he's the best game wrecker out there. And yet... deep down, I don't think it will matter against KC in the playoffs. In my heart of hearts I just don't really believe that. When has anything we've done on defense ever mattered against KC in the playoffs? I've completely lost faith that anything we do on that side of the ball is going to make a difference in that inevitable matchup.

 

Where I differ from others is I don't think personnel has been our biggest issue against them. I think Andy Reid scheming against our defensive coaching has been by far the biggest mismatch in those games. I don't expect that to be a popular opinion but that's how I see it. So we could add Garrett, and DJ Reed, and Jevon Holland, and still I would bet anything that when the game is over we'll look at the box score and see that KC punted no more than twice and the game came down to Allen having the ball in his hands last with whatever supporting cast we've put around him.

 

So go ahead and add Garrett. Certainly he would improve our regular season ceiling and put us in contention for the #1 seed. That alone probably makes the trade worth it. But if adding him doesn't come with a similarly splashy move at WR then ultimately I don't think it will matter. More to the point, I worry that adding him would prevent a splashy move at WR. In that scenario we'll fall short again because we didn't do everything in our power to make sure our offense can go and win the game when they have a chance.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you about the bolded above.  You are absolutely right that they have been out coaching our staff, and maybe the only team really in the NFL that always has the right plan against us.  But if you are going to overcome that with this regime still here, you better add more talent to where the talent can still break through on just one or two more plays a game.  Giving the Chiefs a double advantage of both having the better coaching and getting to face lesser talented personnel is a recipe for repetitive failure.  

 

And look, its not like we are not close here, in fact, the reality is the refs 100% without question stole a SB birth away from the Bills.  I don't know we win the SB, Eagles are legit with Saquan and a revamped defense, but we 100% had our chance taken away by the worst 2 spots in NFL history within 2 plays of each other taking away 2 first downs that flipped the game from driving to go up 2 scores or 4 to going down 7.  That was at minimum an 11 point swing in the 4th, possible a 16 point swing had we scored a TD on that drive. 

 

So we don't need our defense to suddenly be the 85 Bears, we just need one player who can overcome scheme, the opponents, etc and just make one or two more plays.  And its very rare we can add someone of the magnitude of Garrett...while also being able to afford doing it...to a team that is this close.  

 

And to be clear, I am still absolutely advocating to go upgrade at WR too as I don't think Cooper is the answer.  But there is no reason to pass up on a Garrett if we can get him, and certainly not for adding another weapon to what was already the 16th greatest offense in NFL history and best Bills offense in Bills history.  

Edited 11 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[RyanC883]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

The Athletic trade is interesting because the Bills move on from Kaiir.  However, the total draft o picks given up is a very steep price to pay.

 

 

I also add that I believe somehow Beane gets a trade done for Garrett. I hope it is not the Athletic deal but who knows.

 

i love that optimism!!  

[Warriorspikes51]

51 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Some interesting stats (from Syracuse.com): 

 

In this season's week 15 game v. KC, Garrett had 12 pressures.  The Bills entire team had 14 against KC in the AFC Championship.  

 

In three career games against Mahomes, Garret alone has 2 sacks.  

 

And here is a trade proposal from The Athletic: 

 

Bowns get: 2025 1st round; 2nd round (62), fourth-round; 2026 1st round; and AJ Epenesa and CB Kaiir Elam.  

 

Bills get: Garrett, 2025 third, (94) and 2025 sixth round.  

 

I'd do this.  Bean is awful in the first round, and there is no instant-impact Garret like player.  We need impact, and now.  Elam is not going to be extended anyway, and if the Browns demanded Rousseau I'd trade him, but would rather keep him for another year to pair with Garrett while a 3rd round DE is groomed.  However, keeping AJ and trading Rousseau is not terrible, AJ would be much better with Garrett opposite him, and then you still draft a 3rd round DE.  You also still have Solomon.  

I’d do that deal.  It’s slightly in favor of the Browns, but that’s fine

 

 

When can he be traded? Is there a specific date….like the start of the new league year in March?

Edited 12 hours ago by Warriorspikes51