Myles Garrett requests a trade

[JP51]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Garrett is the best I have seen play since both Bruce and Reggie White and he is a guy that likes ball unlike Mario who just seemed like he was there for a paycheck. We will not make a mistake swinging for Garrett

I totally want to make a swing for Garrett... he is a game wrecker... and one of the absolute elite D players.. Bruce Smith.. he is that type of player that raises those around him and you game plan around..  I see him as a better comparison now to an Aaron Donald... lets see how the career pans out when comparing him to Bruce.. one of 78s and Reggies claim to fame and factor in greatness was how long that they were able to perform at an insane level...  I am big on longevity.. Garrett keeps getting 10 sacks a season till he is 40 then we talk... (and if he does that he actually goes over 200 sacks...) ... but that is near impossible today... so I will take similar production to Bruce and Reggie for the next several years and be happy LOL... that happens.. works for me. 

[DaVinci]

With Garret the Bills stop the chiefs final field goal. They get the ball and still can't score BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO NUMBER 1 RECIEVER. Jeez

[Buffalo03]

7 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

Maybe I am biased as a Bills fan, but considering that Bruce did what he did as a DE in a primarily 3-4 defense in his career, I think it is hard to rank anyone -- even Reggie White -- ahead of him.

I still think needing to play 4 years longer to get to be the all time sack leader doesn't make Bruce the best. It could be 1a and 1b with Bruce being 1b

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

No one can tell me that Myles Garrett cant impact one or two other plays turns a scoring drive into a punt...or a TD into a FG.  And sure, at times Mahomes was getting the ball out quickly, but there were a number of chances to get him where he stood back there forever for easy completions or easy runs for first down.  And you don't even have to get to him, you just need him to affect him more to where maybe he throws the ball away, throws an incompletion, makes a poor decision and turns the ball over, etc.  

 

I'm going to make one last post on this which should summarize my thoughts, and then I'm going to leave it alone.

 

Everything you say here is of course correct. Logically it seems obvious that Garrett would impact the game because he's the best game wrecker out there. And yet... deep down, I don't think it will matter against KC in the playoffs. In my heart of hearts I just don't really believe that. When has anything we've done on defense ever mattered against KC in the playoffs? I've completely lost faith that anything we do on that side of the ball is going to make a difference in that inevitable matchup.

 

Where I differ from others is I don't think personnel has been our biggest issue against them. I think Andy Reid scheming against our defensive coaching has been by far the biggest mismatch in those games. I don't expect that to be a popular opinion but that's how I see it. So we could add Garrett, and DJ Reed, and Jevon Holland, and still I would bet anything that when the game is over we'll look at the box score and see that KC punted no more than twice and the game came down to Allen having the ball in his hands last with whatever supporting cast we've put around him.

 

So go ahead and add Garrett. Certainly he would improve our regular season ceiling and put us in contention for the #1 seed. That alone probably makes the trade worth it. But if adding him doesn't come with a similarly splashy move at WR then ultimately I don't think it will matter. More to the point, I worry that adding him would prevent a splashy move at WR. In that scenario we'll fall short again because we didn't do everything in our power to make sure our offense can go and win the game when they have a chance.

[gjv]

Two reasons I would be willing to part with two number 1 draft picks for Myles Garrett. I would expect Garrett will provide the Bills three years of dominate DE play that hasn't been seen since the days of Bruce Smith. Foregoing two number one draft picks is a steep price to pay, however I don't believe we would draft a player in each case that would provide the impact Garrett would provide over the next three years. Of course this all hinges on Cleveland willing to accept only two first round picks from the Bills. For all intent and purposes, Bills first round draft picks are so down the line, that players selected at these draft slots normally don't have a first round grade. Then the question becomes what on top of the two first round picks is required to satisfy Cleveland.

[cle23]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

You could trade for DK after June. 

 

You could,  but it doesn't make sense for Seattle. They need to replace him if they trade him, and by June, that is extremely hard. 

[Nihilarian]

Buffalo did swing for the fences with the Mario Williams trade in 2012 and 100 million later...

 

In 2014 Buffalo had Mario Williams had 14.5 sacks, Marcell Dareus 10 sacks, Jerry Hughes 10 sacks, and Kyle Williams 5.5 sacks and an INT. They led the NFL that season with 54 sacks and yet, only finished 9-7 with the #4 overall defense.

 

Their first winning season since 2004 and Kyle Orton was the QB. Jim Schwartz was the DC and Nate Hackett was the OC under St Doug Marone.

 

In 2021 with Jordon Poyer, Michah Hyde at Safety and Tre White, and Levi Wallace at Corner the Bills had the #1 overall defense in passing yards and TDs. Buffalo finished that season 11-6. Lost to the Jags 6-9 and to the Colts 41-15. While a very good secondary they couldn't stop the run. 

 

Just goes to show that one or the other isn't gonna get it done.

[frostbitmic]

If they trade for Garrett they should include the Schwartz in any deal. The last time we had DE's that did anything, he was the DC.

[Buffalo03]

15 minutes ago, gjv said:

Two reasons I would be willing to part with two number 1 draft picks for Myles Garrett. I would expect Garrett will provide the Bills three years of dominate DE play that hasn't been seen since the days of Bruce Smith. Foregoing two number one draft picks is a steep price to pay, however I don't believe we would draft a player in each case that would provide the impact Garrett would provide over the next three years. Of course this all hinges on Cleveland willing to accept only two first round picks from the Bills. For all intent and purposes, Bills first round draft picks are so down the line, that players selected at these draft slots normally don't have a first round grade. Then the question becomes what on top of the two first round picks is required to satisfy Cleveland.

Garrett said he wants to go to a contender. All of them are picking later in the first round. Cleveland won't have a choice in that aspect 

9 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Buffalo did swing for the fences with the Mario Williams trade in 2012 and 100 million later...

 

In 2014 Buffalo had Mario Williams had 14.5 sacks, Marcell Dareus 10 sacks, Jerry Hughes 10 sacks, and Kyle Williams 5.5 sacks and an INT. They led the NFL that season with 54 sacks and yet, only finished 9-7 with the #4 overall defense.

 

Their first winning season since 2004 and Kyle Orton was the QB. Jim Schwartz was the DC and Nate Hackett was the OC under St Doug Marone.

 

In 2021 with Jordon Poyer, Michah Hyde at Safety and Tre White, and Levi Wallace at Corner the Bills had the #1 overall defense in passing yards and TDs. Buffalo finished that season 11-6. Lost to the Jags 6-9 and to the Colts 41-15. While a very good secondary they couldn't stop the run. 

 

Just goes to show that one or the other isn't gonna get it done.

Those other teams didn't have Josh Allen. That's why they went 9-7. What kind of comparison is this?

[T master]

23 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

Let's go, Beane. The defensive difference maker just became available. Find a way. Get. Him. Here.

 

You can bet the wheels are turning for sure . That would be like Super Mario 2 . 0 . 

[Dillenger4]

11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Buffalo did swing for the fences with the Mario Williams trade in 2012 and 100 million later...

 

In 2014 Buffalo had Mario Williams had 14.5 sacks, Marcell Dareus 10 sacks, Jerry Hughes 10 sacks, and Kyle Williams 5.5 sacks and an INT. They led the NFL that season with 54 sacks and yet, only finished 9-7 with the #4 overall defense.

 

Their first winning season since 2004 and Kyle Orton was the QB. Jim Schwartz was the DC and Nate Hackett was the OC under St Doug Marone.

 

In 2021 with Jordon Poyer, Michah Hyde at Safety and Tre White, and Levi Wallace at Corner the Bills had the #1 overall defense in passing yards and TDs. Buffalo finished that season 11-6. Lost to the Jags 6-9 and to the Colts 41-15. While a very good secondary they couldn't stop the run. 

 

Just goes to show that one or the other isn't gonna get it done.

But this doesn't show me anything. Just stats from the past. I'm living in todays world. And today, we have a Josh Allen led offense with Cook, Shakir and some other pretty good players. Our D however just needs that "icing on the cake". Garret/Crosby and a stud safety would put us over the top. Or Garret/Crosby and a stud CB. Either direction, it will take both those moves on D to get to the promise land.

#Kincaid was injured this season. Let's see if he takes a step.

[T master]

6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

If they trade for Garrett they should include the Schwartz in any deal. The last time we had DE's that did anything, he was the DC.

 

If Rex would have a half a brain he would have just left Schwartz alone to do his thing and worked soley on the offense but as usual Rex let his ego get in the way and ruined a really good thing ...

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Buffalo did swing for the fences with the Mario Williams trade in 2012 and 100 million later...

 

In 2014 Buffalo had Mario Williams had 14.5 sacks, Marcell Dareus 10 sacks, Jerry Hughes 10 sacks, and Kyle Williams 5.5 sacks and an INT. They led the NFL that season with 54 sacks and yet, only finished 9-7 with the #4 overall defense.

 

Their first winning season since 2004 and Kyle Orton was the QB. Jim Schwartz was the DC and Nate Hackett was the OC under St Doug Marone.

 

In 2021 with Jordon Poyer, Michah Hyde at Safety and Tre White, and Levi Wallace at Corner the Bills had the #1 overall defense in passing yards and TDs. Buffalo finished that season 11-6. Lost to the Jags 6-9 and to the Colts 41-15. While a very good secondary they couldn't stop the run. 

 

Just goes to show that one or the other isn't gonna get it done.

Just goes to show that there are stats to support every narrative 

[Sweats]

36 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm going to make one last post on this which should summarize my thoughts, and then I'm going to leave it alone.

 

Everything you say here is of course correct. Logically it seems obvious that Garrett would impact the game because he's the best game wrecker out there. And yet... deep down, I don't think it will matter against KC in the playoffs. In my heart of hearts I just don't really believe that. When has anything we've done on defense ever mattered against KC in the playoffs? I've completely lost faith that anything we do on that side of the ball is going to make a difference in that inevitable matchup.

 

Where I differ from others is I don't think personnel has been our biggest issue against them. I think Andy Reid scheming against our defensive coaching has been by far the biggest mismatch in those games. I don't expect that to be a popular opinion but that's how I see it. So we could add Garrett, and DJ Reed, and Jevon Holland, and still I would bet anything that when the game is over we'll look at the box score and see that KC punted no more than twice and the game came down to Allen having the ball in his hands last with whatever supporting cast we've put around him.

 

So go ahead and add Garrett. Certainly he would improve our regular season ceiling and put us in contention for the #1 seed. That alone probably makes the trade worth it. But if adding him doesn't come with a similarly splashy move at WR then ultimately I don't think it will matter. More to the point, I worry that adding him would prevent a splashy move at WR. In that scenario we'll fall short again because we didn't do everything in our power to make sure our offense can go and win the game when they have a chance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

...............who hurt you, man?!?

[GoBills808]

30 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

In 2021 with Jordon Poyer, Michah Hyde at Safety and Tre White, and Levi Wallace at Corner the Bills had the #1 overall defense in passing yards and TDs.

 

That team also had Taron Johnson and Matt Milano at the height of his powers. Absolutely stacked defense

 

still ended the season giving up 42 to the Chiefs

[mannc]

38 minutes ago, gjv said:

Two reasons I would be willing to part with two number 1 draft picks for Myles Garrett. I would expect Garrett will provide the Bills three years of dominate DE play that hasn't been seen since the days of Bruce Smith. Foregoing two number one draft picks is a steep price to pay, however I don't believe we would draft a player in each case that would provide the impact Garrett would provide over the next three years. Of course this all hinges on Cleveland willing to accept only two first round picks from the Bills. For all intent and purposes, Bills first round draft picks are so down the line, that players selected at these draft slots normally don't have a first round grade. Then the question becomes what on top of the two first round picks is required to satisfy Cleveland.

Importantly, the three years of dominant play we could expect from Garrett coincide with the remaining years of peak Josh Allen.  (Of course Josh will continue to play well late into his 30s, but it won’t be like what we have now.). I think you gotta take the shot.  The problem is that our first round picks are devalued…

[Cray51]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Importantly, the three years of dominant play we could expect from Garrett coincide with the remaining years of peak Josh Allen.  (Of course Josh will continue to play well late into his 30s, but it won’t be like what we have now.). I think you gotta take the shot.  The problem is that our first round picks are devalued…

Our first round picks are devalued, but from a players view we are probably in the top 3 of places you would want to be traded to if you are Garrett.  And that does matter.  Garrett wants a chance to win a Super Bowl, and Buffalo is honestly below KC and tied with the Eagles for the chance of that starting next year.

[wppete]

 

[BrooklynBills]

34 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm going to make one last post on this which should summarize my thoughts, and then I'm going to leave it alone.

 

Everything you say here is of course correct. Logically it seems obvious that Garrett would impact the game because he's the best game wrecker out there. And yet... deep down, I don't think it will matter against KC in the playoffs. In my heart of hearts I just don't really believe that. When has anything we've done on defense ever mattered against KC in the playoffs? I've completely lost faith that anything we do on that side of the ball is going to make a difference in that inevitable matchup.

 

Where I differ from others is I don't think personnel has been our biggest issue against them. I think Andy Reid scheming against our defensive coaching has been by far the biggest mismatch in those games. I don't expect that to be a popular opinion but that's how I see it. So we could add Garrett, and DJ Reed, and Jevon Holland, and still I would bet anything that when the game is over we'll look at the box score and see that KC punted no more than twice and the game came down to Allen having the ball in his hands last with whatever supporting cast we've put around him.

 

So go ahead and add Garrett. Certainly he would improve our regular season ceiling and put us in contention for the #1 seed. That alone probably makes the trade worth it. But if adding him doesn't come with a similarly splashy move at WR then ultimately I don't think it will matter. More to the point, I worry that adding him would prevent a splashy move at WR. In that scenario we'll fall short again because we didn't do everything in our power to make sure our offense can go and win the game when they have a chance.

 

I don't think this move would prevent them from adding a realistic option to WR room. You are basically looking for 1 player at WR this offseason.

 

Coleman, Samuel, and Shakir are locks. I think Mack Hollins will be back as WR5/swiss army knife type guy(especially at his projected low cap number). So then you have 1 spot open and I doubt its gonna be a big money UFA. I don't see anyone in FA that fits what they'd be looking for. I think its clear that they are going to look for a vertical element to add to offense.

 

Maybe FA Hollywood Brown? That won't be expensive.

 

Maybe trade market? I don't think the realistic options here are going to be costly from cap perspective.

 

Point is - I don't think the moves are mutually exclusive. Garrett is gonna cost '26 and '27 draft picks and I don't think he'll be as expensive as everyone expects. Get impact players when you can IMO.

[Warriorspikes51]

FWIW  Bruce Smith mentored him

 

https://www.cantonrep.com/story/sports/pro/browns/2018/08/07/browns-de-myles-garrett-stays/6531092007/