Myles Garrett requests a trade

[JP51]

12 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Good question. But the Bills are in win now mode. With this offseason I hope Beane goes all in for 2025. If the Bills can win the Super Bowl in the next year or two then I don't think anyone will mind in Garrett declines. The Bills could go through some losing seasons, and I don't think anyone would be upset if it means winning the Super Bowl in 2025/2026.

 

16 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Garrett is 29.  He has been in the NFL for 8 seasons and has been a game wrecker on defense.  Had 14 sacks last season.
 

Von had 14.5 sacks at 29, and hasn’t reached double digits since.

 

My question is his much tread is left on the tire?  

 

Look at Bruce after 29...  heck he had a 10 sack season in Washington at 37.  I see Garrett as more of a true DE than an edge rusher like Bruce.. he is very involved in the Run game and is over 20lbs bigger than Von - Von was situational after Denver, Myles is still two way... Not sure I compare him to a OLB who is used as a 1 trick  Edge rusher... I look at him more of a true DE in the vein of an Aaron Donald more than Von.  Gimmie 3 years of game wrecking play... and another 2 of significant production and I dont think that is out of the realm of reasonable possibility...  

[GASabresIUFan]

5 minutes ago, JP51 said:

 

Look at Bruce after 29...  heck he had a 10 sack season in Washington at 37.  I see Garrett as more of a true DE than an edge rusher like Bruce.. he is very involved in the Run game and is over 20lbs bigger than Von - Von was situational after Denver, Myles is still two way... Not sure I compare him to a OLB who is used as a 1 trick  Edge rusher... I look at him more of a true DE in the vein of an Aaron Donald more than Von.  Gimmie 3 years of game wrecking play... and another 2 of significant production and I dont think that is out of the realm of reasonable possibility...  

Bruce is the G.O.A.T, comparing anyone to him isn't exactly a fair comparison.  No question Garrett has been great in his 1st 8 season, but Bruce is an anomaly.  I'm not saying Garrett won't continue his high level of play, but most NFL players start declining at 30 or before.

Edited 19 hours ago by GASabresIUFan

[beebe]

 

[Magox]

I found this to be interesting.  Assuming that Garrett keeps himself in immaculate shape, avoids injuries and doesn't all of a sudden begin to physically break down, I think it's reasonable to expect that Garrett over the next 4 years could still have 1-2 years of truly elite level of play and 2-3 years of high level of football in him.

 

Garrett definitely wants to cash out and make as much as he possibly can but at the same time play for a true contender which if what he is saying is to be completely believed would mean that he probably would be giving up a few dollars on the table.  Time will tell if this trade demand is a negotiating tactic to just get more dollars or if he does truly want to only go to a contender.   

 

With that said, if Cleveland trades him what is to stop them from trading him to whoever they want? Contender be damned!  

 

This is his last chance to get the huge bucks but I'm not so sure it is his last opportunity to go to a contender.  He could go to a middling team, play out another 3-4years and at the age of 32-33 go to a contender similar to what Von did with the Rams.    

 

Honestly I'm a bit skeptical and if Cleveland is forced to trade him then I think they will go with whoever gives them the best deal, no matter if they are a contending team or not.

 

 

[JP51]

23 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Bruce is the G.O.A.T, comparing anyone to him isn't exactly a fair comparison.  No question Garrett has been great in his 1st 8 season, but Bruce is an anomaly.  I'm not saying Garrett won't continue his high level of play, but most NFL players start declining at 30 or before.

Thats always the danger right.. comparison... and holding Garrett to the GOAT is not fair although he is certainly trending to be in the conversation although 200 sacks for anyone is about impossible.... so no I honestly do not expect the re incarnation of Bruce if we get him... but in comparison, I would look at him like a Bruce or an Aaron Donald type player as he disrupts both the run an the pass... More than I would look at him like a Von who is pure edge and needs to make his living on 3rd down... with regard to age... I am not seeing him trend to decline... you may be right he may fall off of a cliff... but I still see tread on him especially because of his 2 way play...  we shall find out no matter where he goes.. cause it will be a trade that is gonna take significant assets no matter who does it and will be a narrative for the next few seasons. 

Edited 18 hours ago by JP51

[Andy1]

7 minutes ago, Magox said:

With that said, if Cleveland trades him what is to stop them from trading him to whoever they want? Contender be damned!  

He has a No Trade clause in his contract so he is only going someplace he wants to go. 

[DapperCam]

Would people rather have Garrett extended, or Carlton Davis/DJ Reed in FA and the top safety in the draft? The cost in terms of cap and draft picks is about the same (actually cheaper by $5-$10m and a draft pick probably).

 

My opinion is the secondary is so bad an elite pass rusher won’t really matter against a good QB. They will just get rid of it before the pass rush can get there.

[tigerthelion]

5 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Would people rather have Garrett extended, or Carlton Davis/DJ Reed in FA and the top safety in the draft? The cost in terms of cap and draft picks is about the same (actually cheaper by $5-$10m and a draft pick probably).

 

My opinion is the secondary is so bad an elite pass rusher won’t really matter against a good QB. They will just get rid of it before the pass rush can get there.

I might rather go the second route if it was someone other than Beane/Mcdermott picking the safety in the draft.  Not a big fan of giving $35,000,000 a year to Garrett on a deal, but not confident in the Bills to find safety talent in the draft, either, so it's a tough call for me. 

Edited 18 hours ago by tigerthelion

[JP51]

6 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Would people rather have Garrett extended, or Carlton Davis/DJ Reed in FA and the top safety in the draft? The cost in terms of cap and draft picks is about the same (actually cheaper by $5-$10m and a draft pick probably).

 

My opinion is the secondary is so bad an elite pass rusher won’t really matter against a good QB. They will just get rid of it before the pass rush can get there.

Oh I think it would help make the QB get rid of the ball quicker and improve DB play simply because they dont have to cover for 5 seconds.. I also think he is a game wrecker in the run game.. I think his presence makes other players better... so from my perspective we need a lot... he helps the passing and running game and to me a Garrett, Crosby, Hendrikson type player is the biggest bang for the total improvement buck... jmo ... that said I totally agree, a DB upgrade is critical... 

Edited 18 hours ago by JP51

[Allen2Moulds]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Would people rather have Garrett extended, or Carlton Davis/DJ Reed in FA and the top safety in the draft? The cost in terms of cap and draft picks is about the same (actually cheaper by $5-$10m and a draft pick probably).

 

My opinion is the secondary is so bad an elite pass rusher won’t really matter against a good QB. They will just get rid of it before the pass rush can get 

It's a lot easier to fix your secondary vs. Landing a premier pass rusher, who's a generational talent. The best Safety on the market last year was unable to find a good deal, and had to settle on average money. You can still land a corner in the draft on day 2. Or still sign someone in FA. Just my opinion. 

[Nihilarian]

4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Would people rather have Garrett extended, or Carlton Davis/DJ Reed in FA and the top safety in the draft? The cost in terms of cap and draft picks is about the same (actually cheaper by $5-$10m and a draft pick probably).

 

My opinion is the secondary is so bad an elite pass rusher won’t really matter against a good QB. They will just get rid of it before the pass rush can get there.

It can't be that bad as Buffalo only lost to the Chiefs by 3 points 29-32.

 

What bugs the heck outta me is the way most opposing QBs had all day to throw and that Ravens game in particular bothered me the most with Lamar having all... darn... day... to throw. If Buffalo doesn't get those three turnovers it's a loss. 

 

Does anyone else remember that Rams game with Matt Stafford going to town with 44 points...all...day...to...throw?

[Ga boy]

10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Actually Myles and DK are quite gettable...do I think it would happen...probably not.  But its what I would also love to see happen and its not as unrealistic as you think.

 

Reality is Garret more than likely gets traded for a first and either a 2nd or 3rd.  But, given the Bills pick late, lets assume it has to be 2 first round picks.  I would pull that trigger in a heart beat because Garrett also only counts $5M against the cap this year, making him affordable to acquire and allowing us to still be aggressive in FA or trade for a WR (or another position) if we wanted to.  

 

Now, WR's almost always get traded for a lot less than people think.  If Seattle was to move DK, its possible a 2nd could get the job done or a 2nd and some change like a 4th, 5th, or 6th.  Bills have two 2nd's this year and extra picks in rounds 4, 5, and 6 right now.  So lets say it cost us a 2nd and a 4th...we would still have picks in rounds 2 and 4 even after both trades.  

 

Its not nearly as crazy as it seems...will Beane do it, probably not...but when you are on the doorstep to a Championship, this IS the time to make this kind of all in play.  

Yes, to get both would put us in SB for multiple years.  Don’t think we have the resources to get there.  It’s more realistic to get a DE in draft and a burner WR - whether in draft, trade, or free agency.  I would definitely agree to a 2nd and 4th for DK.

[Nihilarian]

Why not upgrade both the secondary and the pass rush and get Buffalo's Defense back into the top 5... or #1 overall like they were in 2021 ? 

[TheBeaneBandit]

39 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Bruce is the G.O.A.T, comparing anyone to him isn't exactly a fair comparison.  No question Garrett has been great in his 1st 8 season, but Bruce is an anomaly.  I'm not saying Garrett won't continue his high level of play, but most NFL players start declining at 30 or before.

Agreed, but still more similar style players than Von is to Bruce. At 32 years old Bruce won a DPOTY so I see at least 4 to 5 very strong seasons by Garrett left in the tank.

[BarleyNY]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

 

Josh Allen in 2018 would have been a very risky pick -- IMO, too risky -- to be taken #1 overall since he was very raw, a proverbial "project" much like JaMarcus Russell in 2007.  That was especially true in the 2018 draft which had 5 QBs taken in the first round. Consider how many Bills fans considered Allen "the wrong Josh" when the Bills drafted him at #7.   Some GMs might be willing to bet their jobs on a project at #1 overall, but owners aren't so willing to gamble lots of their own money on one, especially when there are better looking prospects available.  If the Browns had been drafting even a spot lower, they could very well have taken Allen.

 

 

All four - five with Lamar - top QB prospects had their risk/downside. Allen’s was that he had all of the physical tools you could want but was extremely raw. Mayfield was short and less physically gifted, but had shown out as a leader and someone who could overcome his limitations. Darnold had the physical tools but was turnover prone and there were questions about his ability to process. The other Josh had different “above the neck” concerns. Lamar was very raw as a passer/processor with a small frame, but also incredibly physically gifted in his own right. there was no easy decision for any of the teams. Interesting tidbit from the Browns. They were prepared to double up on QBs with their top of second round pick and take Lamar. The Ravens were smart to jump up and get him. 

Edited 14 hours ago by BarleyNY

[Buffalo03]

42 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Bruce is the G.O.A.T, comparing anyone to him isn't exactly a fair comparison.  No question Garrett has been great in his 1st 8 season, but Bruce is an anomaly.  I'm not saying Garrett won't continue his high level of play, but most NFL players start declining at 30 or before.

Gotta go with Reggie White on that one. Bruce is 2nd. Bruce leads the league all time in sacks by 2 but played 4 seasons longer than Reggie. Reggie White accumulated 198 sacks in 15 seasons. Bruce got 200 in 19 seasons. Myles Garrett in my opinion is the best DE to play since both of these guys. So, I will swing for the fences for this guy

[DapperCam]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Why not upgrade both the secondary and the pass rush and get Buffalo's Defense back into the top 5... or #1 overall like they were in 2021 ? 

Because we only have so much cap space and draft capital. Realistically we can afford one “big” free agent or trade for a player with high cap.

 

If that player is Garrett, then we’ve spent all of our cap and draft budget pretty much. The secondary would have to largely stay the same with some day 2 and/or day 3 picks and low price FA.

[Buffalo03]

30 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Thats always the danger right.. comparison... and holding Garrett to the GOAT is not fair although he is certainly trending to be in the conversation although 200 sacks for anyone is about impossible.... so no I honestly do not expect the re incarnation of Bruce if we get him... but in comparison, I would look at him like a Bruce or an Aaron Donald type player as he disrupts both the run an the pass... More than I would look at him like a Von who is pure edge and needs to make his living on 3rd down... with regard to age... I am not seeing him trend to decline... you may be right he may fall off of a cliff... but I still see tread on him especially because of his 2 way play...  we shall find out no matter where he goes.. cause it will be a trade that is gonna take significant assets no matter who does it and will be a narrative for the next few seasons. 

Garrett is the best I have seen play since both Bruce and Reggie White and he is a guy that likes ball unlike Mario who just seemed like he was there for a paycheck. We will not make a mistake swinging for Garrett

[KentuckyBillsFan]

Like I get that Garrett will be 30 at the end of the season but realistically if you get 2 years of elite performance and another year of good performance it's absolutely worth a first and maybe another high pick. There are many examples of all-time great pass rushers being very good to elite well into their mid 30's:

 

1) Bruce Smith - Played at an elite level until he was 35

2) Michael Strahan - 18.5 sacks at age 32

3) Kevin Greene - Double digit sacks every year but one (he had 9) between ages 30 and when he retired in 37

4) Julius Peppers - All pro at 32, pro bowl at 35. Peak of career was 28-32 then was still good but not great

5) Reggie White - All pro every year between ages 30-37

6) Jason Taylor - All pro at 32

 

I think realistically, you have 2-3 elite level seasons left. For where this team is that's well worth giving up a couple of high end draft picks. We are the epitome of a win now team.

[2003Contenders]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Gotta go with Reggie White on that one. Bruce is 2nd. Bruce leads the league all time in sacks by 2 but played 4 seasons longer than Reggie. Reggie White accumulated 198 sacks in 15 seasons. Bruce got 200 in 19 seasons. Myles Garrett in my opinion is the best DE to play since both of these guys. So, I will swing for the fences for this guy

Maybe I am biased as a Bills fan, but considering that Bruce did what he did as a DE in a primarily 3-4 defense in his career, I think it is hard to rank anyone -- even Reggie White -- ahead of him.