4th&long Posted Friday at 10:01 PM Posted Friday at 10:01 PM His policy is simple. Suck Putins dick. Join the axis of Evil. 3
Mikie2times Posted Friday at 10:13 PM Posted Friday at 10:13 PM (edited) 19 minutes ago, Doc said: ...and? If the Iranian government takes out Trump, what then? The Iranian government can barely tie its shoes correctly. They’re dated, shrinking in allies, and not supported by the people. I don’t see something like you’re describing happening, but if for any reason the US supported a conflict in that region and it gave the people hope of getting rid of Khameneh I’m sure they would support it (as much as one can under the threat of retaliation). I know a decent amount of them and it’s truly sad what those people have to deal with. It seems like most of the western world just chalks them up as extremist and it’s just so far from reality. The regime are extremist, most the people are midwestern nice and very pro US. Edited Friday at 10:14 PM by Mikie2times
Doc Posted Friday at 10:27 PM Posted Friday at 10:27 PM 13 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: The Iranian government can barely tie its shoes correctly. They’re dated, shrinking in allies, and not supported by the people. I don’t see something like you’re describing happening, but if for any reason the US supported a conflict in that region and it gave the people hope of getting rid of Khameneh I’m sure they would support it (as much as one can under the threat of retaliation). I know a decent amount of them and it’s truly sad what those people have to deal with. It seems like most of the western world just chalks them up as extremist and it’s just so far from reality. The regime are extremist, most the people are midwestern nice and very pro US. You may be right about the people. But my comments were mostly in regards to their rulers who pull the strings.
Big Blitz Posted Saturday at 03:27 AM Posted Saturday at 03:27 AM 5 hours ago, 4th&long said: His policy is simple. Suck Putins dick. Join the axis of Evil. What does Zelensky want here? What is he saying about Putin? He wants troops! And no deal. So WWIII then. There it is. He knew it. They want the “war” to drag on and on till Putin is gone - or WWIII happens. 1
4th&long Posted Saturday at 04:59 AM Posted Saturday at 04:59 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: What does Zelensky want here? What is he saying about Putin? He wants troops! And no deal. So WWIII then. There it is. He knew it. They want the “war” to drag on and on till Putin is gone - or WWIII happens. They don't want to play Zelensky games. They want to play Putins games. Trump doesn't want peace, don't kid yourself. He's wants to make Putin happy. Trump is a bully, notice he bullied the little guy. I never thought I'd say the day so many Americans openly support commie Russia. Edited Saturday at 05:22 AM by 4th&long 1
Doc Posted Saturday at 01:21 PM Posted Saturday at 01:21 PM We're not funding an endless war that Ukraine has no chance of winning. 1
Niagara Bill Posted Saturday at 04:34 PM Posted Saturday at 04:34 PM 2 hours ago, Doc said: We're not funding an endless war that Ukraine has no chance of winning. So the expansion of commies was important in a hellhole of Vietnam but in Europe it is ok? How about Cuba? When Putin moves in next door, or China into Taiwan. And the endless fight in Afghanistan was about? A quick end to Ukraine, Russia is certainly best for all, but the lesson must be to Putin, not to the extremely brave people of Ukraine who escaped communist Russia thanks to Reagan and have stood for freedom. They are the example for the rest. They sacrificed, they did not get others to die for their country, they died, and killed and will be stained for generations. I do not suggest the US should be financing this war alone or should send forces. But teaching Zelensky a lesson is not the goal. Putin started this war. Getting peace is certainly the "Art of the Possible" here but there can be no idea Putin wins.
Hank II Posted Saturday at 04:49 PM Posted Saturday at 04:49 PM 14 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: So the expansion of commies was important in a hellhole of Vietnam but in Europe it is ok? How about Cuba? When Putin moves in next door, or China into Taiwan. And the endless fight in Afghanistan was about? A quick end to Ukraine, Russia is certainly best for all, but the lesson must be to Putin, not to the extremely brave people of Ukraine who escaped communist Russia thanks to Reagan and have stood for freedom. They are the example for the rest. They sacrificed, they did not get others to die for their country, they died, and killed and will be stained for generations. I do not suggest the US should be financing this war alone or should send forces. But teaching Zelensky a lesson is not the goal. Putin started this war. Getting peace is certainly the "Art of the Possible" here but there can be no idea Putin wins. Puttin has already won, it's just a matter to what degree.
Big Blitz Posted Saturday at 06:11 PM Posted Saturday at 06:11 PM Trump, start using the machine against every single Obama POS still in or out of DC Rest assured, come sometime in the 2070s when they are in power - they will make sure the machine shuts down any and all opposition to them. The only way to destroy them is the machine they celebrate. We can no longer be nice. Prosecute. Set them up. Spy on them. They are a true threat to the most democratic movement in human history. Power is now in the hands of the people. And they will stop at nothing to take that away.
Niagara Bill Posted Saturday at 07:02 PM Posted Saturday at 07:02 PM 2 hours ago, Hank II said: Puttin has already won, it's just a matter to what degree. Wrong, Ukraine would attack Moscow at will, and have not because the world would see nuclear weapons. They took land from Rusdia, they destroyed their major military airport. They are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs, being control by Nato with its strategy. 1
Hank II Posted Sunday at 03:15 AM Posted Sunday at 03:15 AM 8 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Wrong, Ukraine would attack Moscow at will, and have not because the world would see nuclear weapons. They took land from Rusdia, they destroyed their major military airport. They are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs, being control by Nato with its strategy. You really think borders will be restored to pre-invasion boundaries? I guess we can respectfully disagree on that. We'll have to see how how it plays out. Us having different views on how the future plays out sure as hell don't make the other "wrong". 1 1
Niagara Bill Posted Sunday at 03:38 AM Posted Sunday at 03:38 AM 16 minutes ago, Hank II said: You really think borders will be restored to pre-invasion boundaries? I guess we can respectfully disagree on that. We'll have to see how how it plays out. Us having different views on how the future plays out sure as hell don't make the other "wrong". Trump if he has influence will sell his son the give Putin access to Crimea and Black Sea. Putin will gain something for sure, the questions are, 1, can a deal be struck to stop Putin from invasion again next year, 2, does Moscow get their money back from sanctions, literally billions. 3, does EU continue boycott of Russian gas and oil, 4, does US remain in NATO, or start doing business with Putin. 1
Thurmal34 Posted Sunday at 04:06 AM Posted Sunday at 04:06 AM It’s insane seeing Obama brought up on this thread. A small faction of people on this country were so enraged that a man with a bit more melanin was elected President that they threw away their kids’ right to vote in the name of owning the libs. The greatest country in the world ended itself over skin color. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Sunday at 04:32 AM Posted Sunday at 04:32 AM (edited) 55 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Trump if he has influence will sell his son the give Putin access to Crimea and Black Sea. Putin will gain something for sure, the questions are, 1, can a deal be struck to stop Putin from invasion again next year, 2, does Moscow get their money back from sanctions, literally billions. 3, does EU continue boycott of Russian gas and oil, 4, does US remain in NATO, or start doing business with Putin. If I were a betting man, and we all are to some degree, I'd bet 1. yes, but trump isn't willing to propose it 2. No. even trump isn't that stupid but I suppose it depends on the value of the kompromat. what can be worse than what we already know? little boys? little girls? 3. Yes. They'll hold with a few loopholes to make sure everyone stays warm. 4. I think this depends on the midterms. Americans have a last chance to save us from becoming them. Edited Sunday at 04:33 AM by Joe Ferguson forever 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Sunday at 04:48 AM Posted Sunday at 04:48 AM On 2/28/2025 at 5:13 PM, Mikie2times said: The Iranian government can barely tie its shoes correctly. They’re dated, shrinking in allies, and not supported by the people. I don’t see something like you’re describing happening, but if for any reason the US supported a conflict in that region and it gave the people hope of getting rid of Khameneh I’m sure they would support it (as much as one can under the threat of retaliation). I know a decent amount of them and it’s truly sad what those people have to deal with. It seems like most of the western world just chalks them up as extremist and it’s just so far from reality. The regime are extremist, most the people are midwestern nice and very pro US. When I was in grad school, we had 2 great Persian friends. Brother and sister. She was extremely beautiful. He was a science nerd. They went from riches to rags overnight after the revolution. Their family was ostracized and destroyed. But they carried on with NIH stipends, no less. Money well spent. They produced very good science. We should remember that it is from this area that the "cradle of civilization" sprang. They were leaders in science and the arts. now they're shite, as you outline. Authoritarianism brings out the worst and suffocates the best. 1 1
Doc Posted Sunday at 01:54 PM Posted Sunday at 01:54 PM 10 hours ago, Hank II said: You really think borders will be restored to pre-invasion boundaries? I guess we can respectfully disagree on that. We'll have to see how how it plays out. Us having different views on how the future plays out sure as hell don't make the other "wrong". Returning to pre-invasion borders isn't happening. I think that everyone and their mothers knows that, but hopes otherwise.
Big Blitz Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM On 3/1/2025 at 11:06 PM, Thurmal34 said: It’s insane seeing Obama brought up on this thread. A small faction of people on this country were so enraged that a man with a bit more melanin was elected President that they threw away their kids’ right to vote in the name of owning the libs. The greatest country in the world ended itself over skin color. Sure thing boss……history most definitely started in January 2017. Simpletons always need history lessons. 1
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