Doc Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: You think it's unusual that the USA may have demands on countries before they receive funding? They even do that with Israel. trump was accused of, and impeached for withholding funds, concurrent with an investigation of a political rival of his. No. That's what Trump was doing. If it involved a corrupt political rival, so be it.
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 9 minutes ago, Doc said: No. That's what Trump was doing. If it involved a corrupt political rival, so be it. Which corruption of Biden's is it you speak? You're saying that a president should be able to force other countries to open, and make public, investigations based on if he feels there may be corruption as a quid pro quo? You don't see any abuse potential there? You really don't think that the FBI doesn't already have their own channels?? I get it you guys buy every bs narrative that comes your way, but wake up Doc.
BillsFanNC Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 Yup. Let's assume Roundy earns $100k a year. I'm sure he'd simply shrug off his employer taking $1k of that salary and lighting it on fire. It's only 1% after all.
Doc Posted February 4 Posted February 4 14 minutes ago, daz28 said: Which corruption of Biden's is it you speak? You're saying that a president should be able to force other countries to open, and make public, investigations based on if he feels there may be corruption as a quid pro quo? You don't see any abuse potential there? You really don't think that the FBI doesn't already have their own channels?? I get it you guys buy every bs narrative that comes your way, but wake up Doc. LOL! Yeah you just turn a blind eye to his idiot son being on the board of a corrupt company in a corrupt country, who has no qualifications to be there.
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, Doc said: LOL! Yeah you just turn a blind eye to his idiot son being on the board of a corrupt company in a corrupt country, who has no qualifications to be there. How is going through the proper legal processes, instead of a quid pro quo "turning a blind eye"? As it turns out, the GQP investigated this wholeheartedly, and even got the "corrupt FBI" involved enough to lie. That "blind eye".
Doc Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 minute ago, daz28 said: How is going through the proper legal processes, instead of a quid pro quo "turning a blind eye"? As it turns out, the GQP investigated this wholeheartedly, and even got the "corrupt FBI" involved enough to lie. That "blind eye". And? I'm just using your outrage over funds being withheld. As you said, the US should have "demands on countries before they receive funding." Ukraine was and still is a corrupt country (58% of money sent there was lost) and merely electing a new regime didn't mean they weren't corrupt. 1
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, Doc said: And? I'm just using your outrage over funds being withheld. As you said, the US should have "demands on countries before they receive funding." Ukraine was and still is a corrupt country (58% of money sent there was lost) and merely electing a new regime didn't mean they weren't corrupt. My only outrage was the political aspect trump put on it. Again, Shokin was fired for NOT investigating corruption enough. All trump wanted was his opponent's son investigated.
Doc Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: My only outrage was the political aspect trump put on it. Again, Shokin was fired for NOT investigating corruption enough. All trump wanted was his opponent's son investigated. Yeah I heard Shokin was "corrupt" but never charged, much less convicted. It was a BS excuse. Ukraine has been and still is a corrupt country, which is why I laughed when I heard that $100B sent there has been lost. Again why Hunter Biden was on the board of a corrupt company is anyone's guess but we can speculate as well as you can.
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Again why Hunter Biden was on the board of a corrupt company is anyone's guess but we can speculate as well as you can. The same reason why the Ambassador to Antigua is Rear Admiral James Bower's son(I made that up). If you think Hunter is the first or last kid running in his families political circles.... same goes for corporate America, too. If you had any idea how many of them are on 'boards', you'd lose your mind. It's called nepotism.
JDHillFan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: The same reason why the Ambassador to Antigua is Rear Admiral James Bower's son(I made that up). If you think Hunter is the first or last kid running in his families political circles.... same goes for corporate America, too. If you had any idea how many of them are on 'boards', you'd lose your mind. It's called nepotism. Nothing to see in the Hunter/Biden Family saga. That’s why they all received preemptive pardons going back to 2014. Now that’s nepotism! 1
Taro T Posted February 4 Posted February 4 18 minutes ago, daz28 said: My only outrage was the political aspect trump put on it. Again, Shokin was fired for NOT investigating corruption enough. All trump wanted was his opponent's son investigated. That's the stated reason for why 44's administration in general and 46 in particular wanted him gone. The fact he was investigating Burisma for corruption and then that investigation ended after he was removed was purely coincidental, right?
Doc Posted February 4 Posted February 4 9 minutes ago, Taro T said: That's the stated reason for why 44's administration in general and 46 in particular wanted him gone. The fact he was investigating Burisma for corruption and then that investigation ended after he was removed was purely coincidental, right? I go by actions more than words. The prosecutor that replaced Shokin didn't investigate corruption, or at least, he didn't end up charging, much less convicting, anyone. And as I said, the "corrupt" Shokin was never convicted of corruption. You'd think they would have at least made a token gesture by charging him formally. 1
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Taro T said: That's the stated reason for why 44's administration in general and 46 in particular wanted him gone. The fact he was investigating Burisma for corruption and then that investigation ended after he was removed was purely coincidental, right? I see nepotism, you see corruption. I'm definitely right, and you'd be right too, if you agree that nepotism is everywhere, and it is corrupt. At this point, you should be mad at yourselves for believing Hunter Biden was the devil(well the only devil). Also, I'd like to thank you for corroborating my original point. One last thing, do you have sources inside Ukraine that can confirm that Burisma has indeed not been investigated since Shokin? Edited February 4 by daz28
BillsFanNC Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 I'll hand it to Daz. He is loyal to parroting his masters lies to the bitter end. Anyway... 1
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 17 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Nothing to see in the Hunter/Biden Family saga. That’s why they all received preemptive pardons going back to 2014. Now that’s nepotism! Get used to the pardons. Mein trumpf has already used plenty on his associates, too. Everyone in government is going to be begging for them now. They did when trump left and Biden too. We'll get plenty more in 4 years. BET 3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: I'll hand it to Daz. He is loyal to parroting his masters lies to the bitter end. Anyway... Where's the lie?
JDHillFan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Just now, daz28 said: Get used to the pardons. Mein trumpf has already used plenty on his associates, too. Everyone in government is going to be begging for them now. They did when trump left and Biden too. We'll get plenty more in 4 years. BET You are aghast that someone on the edges of government might have “all your information” but give a shoulder shrug to true malfeasance. You claim to be an “independent”, correct? 1
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: You are aghast that someone on the edges of government might have “all your information” but give a shoulder shrug to true malfeasance. You claim to be an “independent”, correct? I don't like any of the pardons. I'm aghast that the people who were aghast crying about "SPYING" are now saying "good". Again, they not only have all the information, but the stolen power that belongs to another branch of government. That I'm VERY aghast about. Do you not understand, that I'm literally telling you they stole the wallet/checkbook? Tell you what, you tell me which parts of the Constitution we can shred, that you wouldn't be aghast about, and I'll tell you why that's a bad idea.
JDHillFan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: Do you not understand, that I'm literally telling you they stole the wallet/checkbook? I understand that you are literally telling me that. That does not mean it’s literally happening. It’s not. The Lutheran thing you cited was no more than a tweet.
Doc Posted February 4 Posted February 4 12 minutes ago, daz28 said: I don't like any of the pardons. I'm aghast that the people who were aghast crying about "SPYING" are now saying "good". Again, they not only have all the information, but the stolen power that belongs to another branch of government. That I'm VERY aghast about. Do you not understand, that I'm literally telling you they stole the wallet/checkbook? Tell you what, you tell me which parts of the Constitution we can shred, that you wouldn't be aghast about, and I'll tell you why that's a bad idea. Again you're the one who believes he'll be spying on you. Do you have something to hide?
daz28 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: I understand that you are literally telling me that. That does not mean it’s literally happening. It’s not. The Lutheran thing you cited was no more than a tweet. If it wasn't happening, then who is the DOJ threatening? I don't think this is any longer a 'reportedly' issue. They took control of it.
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