Bills in last 5 playoff losses: Worst PPG allowed OF ALL TIME in the Super Bowl era

[Don Otreply]

Sean although the prime mover in making the Bills a contender again, (thank you) unfortunately his defense has its issues, when they are on the field all to often give up easy yards and can’t get off the field on third down to save their lives, (the hell of Sean’s soft zone  / contain defense). I’m always hoping he has an epiphany and corrects these issues, fingers crossed 🤞 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[C.Biscuit97]

12 hours ago, SCBills said:

Nick Wright on with Big Cat tried saying Josh would only have 1 Super Bowl trophy if he switched places with Mahomes because Mahomes had bad Defenses during the years until recent.
 

So sad, he has to struggle with only Hill and Kelce.  How did he ever manage?
 

I can’t debate this stat listed by the OP. It’s obviously pathetic and insane. 

 

It just makes me irrationally angry.

 

 

I heard that interview and actually thought Wright was kinda funny. Hypotheticals are stupid. But Mahomes has only won one SB with Hill. But his defense were bad his few years as a starter. They lost 54-51 to the Rams during their first SB year, 

[Pete]

17 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya Taron didn't have a great season.

 

And of course injuries basically wiped the last two years away from Milano

Joe Marino did an episode on his favorite play from every Bills game this regular season.  There were  4 or more where Taron was Joes favorite play of that game.  Taron draws some tough matchups, but holds his own.  He hits above his weight.  And Taron has a knack for the big play.  Always has, and still does

[BillsFan130]

49 minutes ago, Pete said:

Joe Marino did an episode on his favorite play from every Bills game this regular season.  There were  4 or more where Taron was Joes favorite play of that game.  Taron draws some tough matchups, but holds his own.  He hits above his weight.  And Taron has a knack for the big play.  Always has, and still does

He made some big plays for sure. But I thought he did struggle in coverage this year.

 

Joe Marino loves Taron- But even a few podcasts ago, he even said he thought Taron didn't have his best season

[BarleyNY]

17 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The legion of boom went from elite to mediocre pretty quick after 2016.  Seahawks were 1-4 after that in playoff games.  Recency bias pry clouded my judgment of how good he was during his prime.

Seahawks lead in PED bans under Carroll

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

It’s been apparent for years. 13 seconds was the national

exposure then it only got worse. Even last week you have people on here trying to defend this defense. I heard people say we got 2 stops. Wtf happened in our lives that it’s that would be acceptable? The Dick Jauron defenses would run circles around this one.

 

This defense, this scheme and this coach’s philosophy on defense is why we haven’t won a Super Bowl. It’s why we won’t win a super bowl. It’s why our seasons have ended from 2019 through now. The worst part is, It’s the ONLY reason. We have a generational player at the most important position in sports. We have the best player in the whole league on our team and despite numerous coaching and personnel changes…our offense has been consistently elite for 6 years. We are only good because of them. If you have watched the McDermott Bills for 1 month of your life, it’s a constant cycle that never changes. When our offense is rolling scoring TDs on every drive and our defense gets a couple of turnovers, we blow out the average teams and can sneak by the good ones. If a good team is not turning it over and our own offense doesn’t score a TD on every drive, we aren’t going to win. Because we never stop anyone. Even the bad teams. We never make big stops and we never force punts. It’s the 1 thing this coach is supposed to be giving us an edge on. Instead It’s the thing that’s hurting us every year and holding us back. This defense does not work. If it’s not completely overhauled and coached by someone other than McDermott, we won’t get there. Just change it now. The Bills owe it to all of us.

[90sBills]

13 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Judas Priest, Allen threw a poor ball on 1st down, so what. Do you expect every pass to be great? 

 

The pass to Kincaid was a very catchable ball by NFL standards.  Sure it wasn't an easy catch but most NFL catches are not easy. 

 

When you people talk about these magical elite QB led game winning drives it's usually not about receivers getting wide open for easy throw and catch plays.  It's about QB's making amazing throws under pressure and receivers making spectacular catches or runs after the catch.  That is how these legends are made.  Allen simply can't do it by himself.  Others have to rise to the occasion and in the playoffs they haven't.

 

Do you know who was the ONLY Bills skill player who raised his play in a playoff game and shined alongside Allen?  Gabe Davis in the 13 second game.  His 200 plus yards & 4 TD receiving was the only player in the Allen playoff years to put up ELITE stats alongside Allens.

 

What is Eli Manning without those spectacular catches?  What is Mahomes in the 13 second game without Hill taking a 5 yard crosser 65 yards to the house with his blazing speed or Kelsey making great, contested catch after great contested catch?  Or how about Kelly if Thomas & Reed were not on the field?

 

 

 

 

 

So what? So it sets him up behind the sticks on the biggest drive of the year that ultimately led to failure. 
 

Legendary drives are game winning drives in the biggest game with the most pressure. 
 

Montana’s game winning drive against Cincy in the Super Bowl. Elway’s ’The Drive’ against Cleveland in the AFCGG to send Denver to the Super Bowl. Yes, Eli’s winning drive against the ‘07 Pats. Brady’s and Mahomes’ many winning drives in multiple AFCCG and Super Bowls. 
 

They were all legendary because they were successful drives that won the biggest games in the biggest moments. It’s not about style points. It’s about efficiency.

 

 

 

[Real McClappy]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It’s been apparent for years. 13 seconds was the national

exposure then it only got worse. Even last week you have people on here trying to defend this defense. I heard people say we got 2 stops. Wtf happened in our lives that it’s that would be acceptable? The Dick Jauron defenses would run circles around this one.

 

This defense, this scheme and this coach’s philosophy on defense is why we haven’t won a Super Bowl. It’s why we won’t win a super bowl. It’s why our seasons have ended from 2019 through now. The worst part is, It’s the ONLY reason. We have a generational player at the most important position in sports. We have the best player in the whole league on our team and despite numerous coaching and personnel changes…our offense has been consistently elite for 6 years. We are only good because of them. If you have watched the McDermott Bills for 1 month of your life, it’s a constant cycle that never changes. When our offense is rolling scoring TDs on every drive and our defense gets a couple of turnovers, we blow out the average teams and can sneak by the good ones. If a good team is not turning it over and our own offense doesn’t score a TD on every drive, we aren’t going to win. Because we never stop anyone. Even the bad teams. We never make big stops and we never force punts. It’s the 1 thing this coach is supposed to be giving us an edge on. Instead It’s the thing that’s hurting us every year and holding us back. This defense does not work. If it’s not completely overhauled and coached by someone other than McDermott, we won’t get there. Just change it now. The Bills owe it to all of us.

He doesn't have Luke Kuechly at MLB playing his 1st 4 seasons at a HOF level.   DROY in 2012, DPOY in 2013 and 4x all pro 1 team. 

 

He needs to adapt though to what he has on D as his vanilla regular season D will be picked apart like we have seen numerous times now by top 10 QBs in the league. Even with numerous Defensive coordinators everything looks the exact same year after year which is directly on his shoulders..

 

I'm willing to give him another season after the crazy draft stock we have and finally some cap room.  Strengthen up the secondary and make a splash move for Myles or Maxx. Further failure from there out if Allen stays healthy an entire season should honestly result in departure.

 

Add on edit:

McD has his HOF player on O but missing the HOF player on D keeping us just short of our goals.  Still drives me crazy thinking of Marv's team with 4 HOF'er coming up short.  I truly think if McD had a Bruce Smith on the team we make and possibly win a SB.

Edited Sunday at 05:56 PM by Real McClappy

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

19 minutes ago, Real McClappy said:

He doesn't have Luke Kuechly at MLB playing his 1st 4 seasons at a HOF level.   DROY in 2012, DPOY in 2013 and 4x all pro 1 team. 

 

He needs to adapt though to what he has on D as his vanilla regular season D will be picked apart like we have seen numerous times now by top 10 QBs in the league. Even with numerous Defensive coordinators everything looks the exact same year after year which is directly on his shoulders..

 

I'm willing to give him another season after the crazy draft stock we have and finally some cap room.  Strengthen up the secondary and make a splash move for Myles or Maxx. Further failure from there out if Allen stays healthy and entire season should honestly result in departure.

 

Add on edit:

McD has his HOF player on O but missing the HOF player on D keeping us just short of our goals.  Still drives me crazy thinking of Marv's team with 4 HOF'er coming up short.  I truly think if McD had a Bruce Smith on the team we make and possibly win a SB.

You are just one of the people that will never see it. And that’s fine. There’s nothing anyone can do about that. I don’t care what the excuses are. It’d not good enough. He’s also had more time than most other guys ever get. And he’s responsible for a lot of the personnel decision. He works hand and hand with Beane I’m sure. We also have had very good LBs in his time here. I’m not going to even try and justify it. The reality is it’s not even close to good enough. And when it comes to coaching defense, he’s not close to good enough 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

So what? So it sets him up behind the sticks on the biggest drive of the year that ultimately led to failure. 
 

Legendary drives are game winning drives in the biggest game with the most pressure. 
 

Montana’s game winning drive against Cincy in the Super Bowl. Elway’s ’The Drive’ against Cleveland in the AFCGG to send Denver to the Super Bowl. Yes, Eli’s winning drive against the ‘07 Pats. Brady’s and Mahomes’ many winning drives in multiple AFCCG and Super Bowls. 
 

They were all legendary because they were successful drives that won the biggest games in the biggest moments. It’s not about style points. It’s about efficiency.

 

 

 

As I recall Montana needed a Bengal DB to drop an easy INT in the end zone to finish off that drive.

 

All the drives you mention required MORE then the QB making great plays. 

13 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Yes. Obviously if the defense could do that it would be great. It’s a tough ask to stop the Reid/Mahomes combo completely in the playoffs when the game is on the line. I thought the fg was reasonable. 
 

They failed as a team and Allen is the leader of the team so he has to bear some responsibility. My opinion is the offense has to close the deal in these types of games. We can’t really on the defense against Mahomes. 

No one was asking the Bills D to stop Reid/Mahomes "completely" but how about they stop them from scoring points more then twice in a game?  Oh and I don't give the D any credit for the fumble recovery as that was UNFORCED.

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

The cb room has to be upgraded. It's a sneaky big need

[90sBills]

9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

As I recall Montana needed a Bengal DB to drop an easy INT in the end zone to finish off that drive.

 

All the drives you mention required MORE then the QB making great plays. 

No one was asking the Bills D to stop Reid/Mahomes "completely" but how about they stop them from scoring points more then twice in a game?  Oh and I don't give the D any credit for the fumble recovery as that was UNFORCED.

 

 

DBs dropping interceptions is part of the game. That happens for every QB. That’s why they play DBs and not WRs. I’m not sure why you thought that is of any significance to bring up.

 

The defense made the necessary stop with a few minutes left so the offense can have the ball with a chance to win. That’s complementary football. What else are you expecting from McD’s bend but don’t break defense? They bend but didn’t break on that KC drive. 
 

Again, go to Beane’s press conference. He said he would take Allen with the ball and a chance to win the AFCCG next year. I agree with him. So let Allen learn from this experience so the time he’s in that same scenario he could have a legendary drive. That’s all I’m saying. 
 

You always seem to be triggered at any comments about anything that suggests Allen could do better. No one, including me, is saying he isn’t great. But he has his flaws that he needs to work on. Geez man. He’s not Jesus and no one is being Judas as you often call people. 
 

 

 

[Sojourner]

26 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

As I recall Montana needed a Bengal DB to drop an easy INT in the end zone to finish off that drive.

 

All the drives you mention required MORE then the QB making great plays. 

No one was asking the Bills D to stop Reid/Mahomes "completely" but how about they stop them from scoring points more then twice in a game?  Oh and I don't give the D any credit for the fumble recovery as that was UNFORCED.

 

 

I can tell by a lot of your posts that you have a tenured experience in watching the sport. 
 

The fact that you’re suggesting a team not to allow their opponent to score more than twice a game is insane. Especially in today’s NFL. Even for the lowly teams you see eliminated from post season come week 10, they’re going to get points here or there. 
 

Sorry and I say this respectively as every opinion has value but that is an awful take and perspective than you what call out or quote people on for the issues of this team.

“Get stops!”

”Get turnovers!”

 

“Not like that… the other way!”

Edited Sunday at 05:29 PM by Sojourner

[BeastMaster]

I think a big part of McDermotts defense is good safeties that can make plays and help mask deficiencies with the corners at times

 

This doesn't say it's the fix, but it's part of it. Hyde and Poyer were shot last season and Hamlin/Rapp are average at best, and I'd argue Hamlin is below and Rapp is not fast enough

[RyanC883]

17 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Our 1st round TE needs to come down with that catch. Allen got it to where it needed to be with 4 dudes bearing down on him. You HAVE to make that grab. David Tyree caught it off his freakin helmet. I don’t feel sorry one bit, Kincaid gets paid millions to catch the ball. He’s been an enormous let down and I absolutely loved the pick at the time. A major disappointment. He would’ve been a legend in Buffalo forever if he came through.

 

another Bean blunder.  Also, where was Cook on that drive??

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

The cb room has to be upgraded. It's a sneaky big need

 

Agreed.  But…Bean should use a 1st on it  Or DL, he makes great picks there for these positions.  blah. 

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Hire a top notch coordinator,  I'm done with promotion of no name in house guys.  Like why are we not firing the whole defensive staff,  yet McDermott promotes guys from a lousy defence 

 

When was the last time McDermott hired a big name coordinator from the outside.  Everyone living off of Allen and we"re not fixing anything repeating the same thing every offseason and expecting a different result.

I think it's reached a point (especially this year) where it's more of a personnel problem than a coaching problem.  Beane not acquiring top defensive talent was pretty evident when you saw how the Texans defended the Chiefs vs. our defense against him.  They have some stud DE's and good young corners.  We don't and that should be the focus this off-season.  You're not going to out coach Andy Reid but you can out GM Brett Veach.  

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I think it's reached a point (especially this year) where it's more of a personnel problem than a coaching problem.  Beane not acquiring top defensive talent was pretty evident when you saw how the Texans defended the Chiefs vs. our defense against him.  They have some stud DE's and good young corners.  We don't and that should be the focus this off-season.  You're not going to out coach Andy Reid but you can out GM Brett Veach.  

Bingo.

 

This is the most salient recent example 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 08:57 PM by Kelly to Allen

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Sojourner said:

I can tell by a lot of your posts that you have a tenured experience in watching the sport. 
 

The fact that you’re suggesting a team not to allow their opponent to score more than twice a game is insane. Especially in today’s NFL. Even for the lowly teams you see eliminated from post season come week 10, they’re going to get points here or there. 
 

Sorry and I say this respectively as every opinion has value but that is an awful take and perspective than you what call out or quote people on for the issues of this team.

“Get stops!”

”Get turnovers!”

 

“Not like that… the other way!”

Either I expressed myself poorly or you didn't read my reply properly.  I never said that a defense has to stop the opponent from scoring on all but two drives. I agree that this would be an insanely high expectation.  What I said was:  

 

"No one was asking the Bills D to stop Reid/Mahomes "completely" but how about they stop them from scoring points more then twice in a game?"

 

My point was that it is reasonable to expect a playoff caliber defense to stop the opponent from scoring on more then 2 drives per game.  In the KC game the Chiefs had 8 total drives (excluding the kneel downs at the end of the half and at the end of the game).  They scored on 5 of those 8 drives including 4 TD's.  The Bills D only stopped them twice as the 3rd "stop" was an unforced fumble loss by the Chiefs as they were heading in for another TD.

 

All I'm saying is that holding the Chiefs on one more drive that didn't end in points likely wins the game for the Bills.  That would still mean that the KC scores on 4 of 8 drives.  Hardly unreasonable.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, 90sBills said:

DBs dropping interceptions is part of the game. That happens for every QB. That’s why they play DBs and not WRs. I’m not sure why you thought that is of any significance to bring up.

 

The defense made the necessary stop with a few minutes left so the offense can have the ball with a chance to win. That’s complementary football. What else are you expecting from McD’s bend but don’t break defense? They bend but didn’t break on that KC drive. 
 

Again, go to Beane’s press conference. He said he would take Allen with the ball and a chance to win the AFCCG next year. I agree with him. So let Allen learn from this experience so the time he’s in that same scenario he could have a legendary drive. That’s all I’m saying. 
 

You always seem to be triggered at any comments about anything that suggests Allen could do better. No one, including me, is saying he isn’t great. But he has his flaws that he needs to work on. Geez man. He’s not Jesus and no one is being Judas as you often call people. 
 

 

 

The defense didn't allow KC to score a TD but they did give up a FG.  The necessary stop would have been to force a punt.

 

Can you be more specific about what Allen needs to "learn" to have a "legendary"drive?

 

But yea it triggers me when people throw out that Allen needs to improve and play better for the Bills to advance to a Super Bowl when even the most casual football fan can see what the Bills playoff problem is - the DEFENSE.  This thread correctly calls out the Defensive issues but you seem to have some special knowledge that shifts the cause to Allen. 

 

Allen playing even better and improving in the off season will not catapult the Bills into the Super Bowl in the face of two immutable facts:

 

*  The defense must play significantly better.

 

*  Other players must rise up and play their best football to compliment Allen.

 

 

 

 

 

[4th&long]

7 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It’s been apparent for years. 13 seconds was the national

exposure then it only got worse. Even last week you have people on here trying to defend this defense. I heard people say we got 2 stops. Wtf happened in our lives that it’s that would be acceptable? The Dick Jauron defenses would run circles around this one.

 

This defense, this scheme and this coach’s philosophy on defense is why we haven’t won a Super Bowl. It’s why we won’t win a super bowl. It’s why our seasons have ended from 2019 through now. The worst part is, It’s the ONLY reason. We have a generational player at the most important position in sports. We have the best player in the whole league on our team and despite numerous coaching and personnel changes…our offense has been consistently elite for 6 years. We are only good because of them. If you have watched the McDermott Bills for 1 month of your life, it’s a constant cycle that never changes. When our offense is rolling scoring TDs on every drive and our defense gets a couple of turnovers, we blow out the average teams and can sneak by the good ones. If a good team is not turning it over and our own offense doesn’t score a TD on every drive, we aren’t going to win. Because we never stop anyone. Even the bad teams. We never make big stops and we never force punts. It’s the 1 thing this coach is supposed to be giving us an edge on. Instead It’s the thing that’s hurting us every year and holding us back. This defense does not work. If it’s not completely overhauled and coached by someone other than McDermott, we won’t get there. Just change it now. The Bills owe it to all of us.

I totally agree. If McD comes back next year it will be the same result.  I will not waste another beautiful fall afternoon on the bills. I'm sick of the same old same old.