Who are the Bills elite players and do the Bills have enough elite players to win a Super Bowl?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

Elite to me means: in the conversation as best at their position (for the time period they play in), potential hall of farmer, all-pro considerations. 
 

Josh meets that criteria obviously, not sure any other player on the roster does. 
 

Dawkins best attribute is availability. he’s a good/very good player that is always on the field. Need players like him on the roster and glad to have him but don’t think he’s elite. 

Cook was impressive this season, but I’m not ready to call him elite. He will need to string a few seasons together to make the jump. Quietist 16 touchdown season ever.
 

Taron Johnson is good at what he does but being the best nickel corner is like being the best slot receiver. There’s a reason you’re in that position to begin with. 
 

Benford could be elite I guess, I have no idea. The only time I hear anything about him is on here. I’m not being flippant, I have no idea. When I think of best corner, zone coverage isn’t what I’m picturing.
 

no one else on the roster is a serious candidate. 

 

I think you are right with one exception:

 

Spencer Brown was without question elite this season. Now there is a difference  between having an elite season and "being elite". I think he needs to back it up next year to be called truly elite.

[LABILLBACKER]

38 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

He's not good enough IMO to pay him $20+. He seems on the cusp of move up sometimes and then takes a swoon as we saw in the playoffs. I'm curious as to whether McBeane value him the way most of us do.

There's no way in hell I'm paying Greg anything past 14-15/ yr.  And that's being generous.  He's the epitome of Gabe Davis and Tremaine Edmunds. In 4 full seasons he's averaged 6.2 sacks.  If this doesn't reek of Chris Kelsay, I don't know what does.  We may be forced to sign him because we don't have anyone else.

 

Von will be gone June 1st and there's no way we keep AJE after 2025, who's been more disappointing than Groot. We must go after a Cosby or Garrett. And we must draft multiple DL guys and pray one hits. Obviously I have little faith in Beane and his scouts, defensively. 

Edited Saturday at 07:21 PM by LABILLBACKER

[Shortchaz]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think you are right with one exception:

 

Spencer Brown was without question elite this season. Now there is a difference  between having an elite season and "being elite". I think he needs to back it up next year to be called truly elite.

That’s good to hear. I love a lineman that plays with the bully mentality he’s exhibited his entire career. I think most fans do. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's no way in hell I'm paying Greg anything past 14-15/ yr.  And that's being generous.  He's the epitome of Gabe Davis and Tremaine Edmunds. In 4 full seasons he's averaged 6.2 sacks.  If this doesn't reek of Chris Kelsay, I don't know what does.  We may be forced to sign him because we don't have anyone else.

 

Von will be gone June 1st and there's no way we keep AJE who's been more disappointing than Groot. We must go after a Cosby or Garrett. And we must draft multiple DL guys and pray one hits. Obviously I have little faith in Beane and his scouts, defensively. 

 

The good news on the Dline is it IS the strength of this draft class.

[Not at the table Karlos]

Allen, Cook and Dawkins are the only I’d consider “elite”.

[LABILLBACKER]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The good news on the Dline is it IS the strength of this draft class.

I agree @GunnerBill.  There are so many stud DT's available in the first 2 rounds you could almost double dip. Ed needs help....

[Sojourner]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The good news on the Dline is it IS the strength of this draft class.

 

WR was the strength of last class and while it was we didn’t do as great as we hoped for immediate impact. 
 

This year is quality for interior guys. Especially the type we needed. Hope we get it right as Dewayne Carter was solid against the run and flashed the pass rush game collegiately, didn’t meet the expectation even when the bar wasn’t very high. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, BeastMaster said:

The Bills have the worst defense in the playoffs ever over their last five games

 

That is a problem, and it's why Josh is now being unfairly lumped into the Philip Rivers/Peyton Manning category

 

I don't know about you, but I do not trust the same people over those last five years to fix the defense

 

You have to make a real change

I've never trusted McDermott nor his ability to hire competent coordinators. 

[notpolian]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I think we can agree the ap is ridiculous and wild

 

If you add a max Crosby with a good draft I think it's very close, do you agree?

That might get us over the hump.  I'll be very surprised if Crosby gets moved however.

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, notpolian said:

That might get us over the hump.  I'll be very surprised if Crosby gets moved however.

 

I really think Micah Parsons is possible 

[C.Biscuit97]

55 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's no way in hell I'm paying Greg anything past 14-15/ yr.  And that's being generous.  He's the epitome of Gabe Davis and Tremaine Edmunds. In 4 full seasons he's averaged 6.2 sacks.  If this doesn't reek of Chris Kelsay, I don't know what does.  We may be forced to sign him because we don't have anyone else.

 

Von will be gone June 1st and there's no way we keep AJE after 2025, who's been more disappointing than Groot. We must go after a Cosby or Garrett. And we must draft multiple DL guys and pray one hits. Obviously I have little faith in Beane and his scouts, defensively. 

I agree with this (think he’s better than Kelsey but he is definitely in the same vein). I do think the Bills want to keep him to justify him not being a wasted draft pick and walking for nothing. I do think he could be a good Robin to a real Batman DE. 
 

but if they try to trade, sign, or draft multiple pass rushers, it will be a major fail. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

The ravens have more elite players than us. How did we beat them?

Their QB is a notorious playoff choker and turned it over a lot. 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The good news on the Dline is it IS the strength of this draft class.

The bad news is WR was the strength of last years draft class and we are here.

[nedboy7]

7 hours ago, FireChans said:

Their QB is a notorious playoff choker and turned it over a lot. 

The bad news is WR was the strength of last years draft class and we are here.

Oversimplification is not impressive. 

[FireChans]

11 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Oversimplification is not impressive. 

What oversimplification?

 

are you of the opinion that Lamar’s turnovers weren’t a reason they lost?

[90sBills]

19 hours ago, FireChans said:

Their QB is a notorious playoff choker and turned it over a lot. 

 

That choker led a scoring drive when his team needed it most in their biggest game of the year. 

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

That choker led a scoring drive when his team needed it most in their biggest game of the year. 

Was that right before the clock hit zero and they lost?

 

Are we really caping for playoff Lamar in defense of the Bills talent?

 

We went in with the gameplan of “sell out to stop Henry, make Lamar beat us.”

 

Lamar had 2 massive TO’s in the first half and went into halftime down 10.

 

The guy with 4 picks in the SEASON had 2 TO’s in the playoffs. He’s a choker. It’s okay.

[90sBills]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Was that right before the clock hit zero and they lost?

 

Are we really caping for playoff Lamar in defense of the Bills talent?

 

We went in with the gameplan of “sell out to stop Henry, make Lamar beat us.”

 

Lamar had 2 massive TO’s in the first half and went into halftime down 10.

 

The guy with 4 picks in the SEASON had 2 TO’s in the playoffs. He’s a choker. It’s okay.

Yeah he didn’t play great and put his team in a compromising position. But he did scored at the end when his team needed it for a chance. Some QBs can’t even do that for their teams in the biggest moments. That’s all I’m saying. 
 

[Nephilim17]

Nobody except Josh can take over a game. 

[UKBillFan]

5 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah he didn’t play great and put his team in a compromising position. But he did scored at the end when his team needed it for a chance. Some QBs can’t even do that for their teams in the biggest moments. That’s all I’m saying. 
 

 

Be blunt. You're aiming a dig at Josh, so say Josh.

[DapperCam]

I think we have 2 no brainer elite talents: Allen and Dawkins. These are players unquestionably top-5 in their position in the league.