Air Traffic Control DEI and the Mid-Air Collision: So Where's the Black Dwarf?

[Ghost_002!]

57 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

This topic has gone a weird direction for liberals, like the meme, we started with it is not happening in 2010, to it is happening and it is good in 2015, to it never happened in 2025 and you are a racist for wanting competent people in charge. 

 

 

How about when something goes wrong in this country. Stop pointing the finger at "bullsh*t"

 

And when your point(s) are being challenged you don't blame "fake news" or claim someone is for "the left" or a liberal...

 

[sherpa]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Here it is...

 

 

 

Good find. I saw it and couldn't believe it.

Insanity.

Buttigieg madness, among many other fronts.

[JDHillFan]

No dwarfs mentioned but it doesn’t look like the chestfeeder was doing a whole lot as it relates to the FAA. Let’s hope the current administration is more successful. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

So you begin to ask me a question then turn around and "assume to know" how I'm gonna answer it? Huh!?

 

I would "assume" some effects to a companies hiring processes can be seen to some degree BUT AGAIN that type of change has zero to do with this tragedy. I will say it again since you are Steadfast on ignoring that.  Also since this change had took place "a decade " ago how many major flaws or incompetence has happened because of the process. Factual reported?

 

 

I can honestly say..I never heard of any issues that would raise an eye lid. Especially to this tragedy .

The fact that you have never heard about the problem with the FAA hiring shows how little you know about the situation. There is currently a large class action lawsuit in regards to it, the number of ATC in the country is too small and that has been made worse in the past decade. BTW you wrote previously that "even if there was a DEI hire" which is a statement that infers you don't recognize the lower standard were required on the test for a black man. This is not an "accusation" this is a statement of fact that minorities were held to lower standards than whites for government positions. It is identical to what happened in the 1950s but only with the races reversed, which is wrong.

[sherpa]

6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

No dwarfs mentioned but it doesn’t look like the chestfeeder was doing a whole lot as it relates to the FAA. Let’s hope the current administration is more successful. 

 

You are killing it today.

 

Two years ago, and last year as well, flight schedules had to be curtailed in the NY area because the FAA could not properly staff to support it.

 

Yet, tons of money spent on idiotic renaming of programs to eliminate gender pronouns.

The FAA's NOTAM system completely broke down, resulting in a nationwide shutdown under this clown's watch, with no consequences, yet he bragged on and on about fining Southwest for a computer issue that shut them down for a few hours.

 

The man is a disgraceful failure; a smug punk despised by the people he was in charge of,  and his bizarre claim yesterday about his performance is only able to be believed by idiots who know noting about his.

[Albwan]

14 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I just got a look at one of the Blackhawk pilots. White guy (RIP).

 

I don't know the race of the air traffic controller in the DCA tower, but sounds like a white standard American English male voice.

 

DEI "may" have something to do with the horrible accident says President Trump. He cited all the disabilities one may have and still be eligible to serve as an air traffic controller. Hell, even dwarfism! When pressed about any connection to DEI, he says it's just "common sense."

 

How so? He didn't even go to the classic fallback: "the focus on DEI caused the FAA to lose sight of it's critical mission." So no fair giving me that.

 

Can any Trump supporter provide an explanation? Are they furiously looking for a black dwarf to be the fall guy?

you are a racist pos. and a joke.

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

How about when something goes wrong in this country. Stop pointing the finger at "bullsh*t"

 

And when your point(s) are being challenged you don't blame "fake news" or claim someone is for "the left" or a liberal...

 

So let me ask a simple direct question, why was there only one ATC working the other night at one of the top 25 busiest  airports in the US? 

[BillsFanNC]

The media doesn’t know what it’s getting into picking a fight with Trump over DEI in air travel.

Here’s the facts: The Obama Administration threw out ALL the results of a merit-based air traffic controller hiring test, wrecking the career plans of people who’d spent thousands of dollars pursuing that career. 

 

Then, the Obama Administration created a new test where they INTENTIONALLY selected for less capable people merely on the hope that they’d be less white. All of this has been proven in the filings of an extensive class-action lawsuit against the FAA.

 

Let me repeat that: Democrats didn’t simply create a quota system, or discriminate based on race. They deliberately worked to make new air traffic controllers dumber, hoping that diversity would be the side effect. That’s how obsessed the left is with DEI, and how little they care about protecting the lives of fliers.

Conservatives should welcome this fight. Nothing better represents how evil DEI is and how antithetical it is to human life and American success.

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

29 minutes ago, Albwan said:

you are a racist pos. and a joke.

Got it. I’m the racist for questioning why Trump baselessly asserts that the crash had something to do with hiring minorities or disabled people. 

[Pokebball]

Names of two of the three pilots have been released. For now, the name of the 3rd, a female, isn't being released. Odd

[Homelander]

 

 

 

[T master]

9 hours ago, 4th&long said:

Trump is the great divider.  No one has proof that dei played any roll in this. 

 

He lied about the waster in Cali, he lied about this. 2 weeks in 2 tragedys 2 lies. His base lives him. They are all human sh it! 

 

🤔 So that's why so many voted for him instead of Kamala, because he's a great divider ? Okay - but he brought Republicans & Democrats both together to cast their vote for him because the DIP S**T liar that you voted for was such a great president ain't that right ?

 

The water thing in Cali. is fact ! He didn't lie, the POS mayor of LA would rather shut down a reservoir & be in a different country than where she belongs doing her job and then lie that funding for the LA fire department was not a issue at all - BS ! If the water thing is a lie then why was one of the reservoirs shut down ?

 

And right there along the pacific coast where a bunch of the houses burned some were with in feet of the largest body of water in the world and they would rather shut of water to Cali because of a guppy and not build a desalinization plant so they could have as much water as they need but it's more important to buy needles for junkies, and give each car owner $1400 checks to off set the high prices of gas because it is so over taxed . 

 

They & you are all just pissed because he's got a set and calls them all out on it . 

 

None of them like it when they get called out, Bernie got pissed when RFK admitted that not only himself but most of those Senators accept money from big  pharma then tried to lie his way out of it and that's the way it goes with all of ya'll it's okay to throw stones but those in glass houses get the stones thrown back they don't like it . 

 

Same with all the Biden lies which was the entire reason for the preemptive pardons to cover their ass on their way out the door ...

[daz28]

I'm going to appeal to the "common sense" people here.  When was the last plane crash, and was it due to DEI hiring?  What are some good examples of plane crashes caused by DEI?  Has the president or Fox provided any, or is it just baseless nonsense that is trying to appeal to "common sense".  

[Ghost_002!]

2 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

The fact that you have never heard about the problem with the FAA hiring shows how little you know about the situation. There is currently a large class action lawsuit in regards to it, the number of ATC in the country is too small and that has been made worse in the past decade. BTW you wrote previously that "even if there was a DEI hire" which is a statement that infers you don't recognize the lower standard were required on the test for a black man. This is not an "accusation" this is a statement of fact that minorities were held to lower standards than whites for government positions. It is identical to what happened in the 1950s but only with the races reversed, which is wrong.

 

 

How many people are walking around knowing about a FAA "lawsuit" at this juncture and that's including the many people that fly everyday. I would think with something as serious as the amount of lives that are in the sky. That would be news that's continually at the forefront. Not saying it's a lie. But you seem to talk like this is common knowledge 

 

And again has nothing to do with this situation...it's a debate because the president brought it up for no reason. That sentence here is really not hard to comprehend.

 

And really I am not gonna debate the slippery sloppy about the culture bias of a test, testing one's mental capacity

 

Cause I'm gonna ask you. Do you believe any black man and/or woman hired in that time frame to not be as  intelligent as a white man?

 

It's just a yes or no question. Tell the truth.

 

[sherpa]

43 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'm going to appeal to the "common sense" people here.  When was the last plane crash, and was it due to DEI hiring?  What are some good examples of plane crashes caused by DEI?  Has the president or Fox provided any, or is it just baseless nonsense that is trying to appeal to "common sense".  

 

I'll take this one.

The standard should never be whether the policy causes a plane crash.

Pilots can mitigate controller errors, as they have controls and windows, and are ultimately responsible for manipulating an airplane of helo.

Controllers are advisory, as are traffic signals in the auto world.

 

The point is that the FAA is an organization that grossly reduces efficiency, and some of that is because of the hiring and promotion policy intact.

Everybody knows it.

 

The lack of killing people is not the standard. 

[Ghost_002!]

55 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'm going to appeal to the "common sense" people here.  When was the last plane crash, and was it due to DEI hiring?  What are some good examples of plane crashes caused by DEI?  Has the president or Fox provided any, or is it just baseless nonsense that is trying to appeal to "common sense".  

 

I mean its really is common sense..but we either get them "passing off" The fact it was a dumb statement by the president or "you're the one who is trying to call someone a racist". "They just want equality"

 

 

I truly wonder when women are/were getting looked over jobs or discriminated against or someone of a different race was...did they really take  notice it...or the "equality parts" only matter now because they feel they are being discriminated against.

 

 

6 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I'll take this one.

The standard should never be whether the policy causes a plane crash.

Pilots can mitigate controller errors, as they have controls and windows, and are ultimately responsible for manipulating an airplane of helo.

Controllers are advisory, as are traffic signals in the auto world.

 

The point is that the FAA is an organization that grossly reduces efficiency, and some of that is because of the hiring and promotion policy intact.

Everybody knows it.

 

The lack of killing people is not the standard. 

 

 

You didn't answer his question at all..you brought up how it should be. Which again the topic at hand(suggesting DEI hires are the cause) has nothing to do with what took place. 

Edited Friday at 10:37 PM by Ghost_002!

[sherpa]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I mean its really is common sense..but we either get them "passing off" The fact it was a dumb statement by the president or "you're the one who is trying to call someone a racist". "They just want equality"

 

 

I truly wonder when women are/were getting looked over jobs or discriminated against or someone of a different race was...did they really take  notice it...or the "equality parts" only matter now because they feel they are being discriminated against.

 

 

 

 

You didn't answer his question at all..you brought up how it should be. Which again the topic at hand(suggesting DEI hires are the cause) has nothing to do with what took place. 

 

It is impossible to answer that question. There is no accident that is directly related to DEI practices, because controllers don't control aircraft.

I have pointed out two situations that resulted in death from this practice. 

One was the F-14 crash killing Karen Hultgreen, who was put in that position, incompetent as she was, because she was a woman.

The other was not named but I am extremely familiar with because I flew as his lead the sortie his death, and he was a black man who should have never been in that position, based on his training performance.

By the way, a truly great guy, just not capable.

 

Back to the subject, the FAA hiring and promotion practices have grossly impacted the industry, but killing people isn't something in their purview.

Ultimately, they don't have the stick.

 

[Homelander]

 

[Wacka]

The last black dwarf I saw was the one in "Bad Santa".  The FAA has been short of controllers for years. They have turned down many qualified white candidates because they couldn't reach their quota of minority applicants. That MIGHT have some bearing on the understaffed DCA tower. 

Edited Friday at 11:03 PM by Wacka

[4th&long]

2 hours ago, T master said:

 

🤔 So that's why so many voted for him instead of Kamala, because he's a great divider ? Okay - but he brought Republicans & Democrats both together to cast their vote for him because the DIP S**T liar that you voted for was such a great president ain't that right ?

 

The water thing in Cali. is fact ! He didn't lie, the POS mayor of LA would rather shut down a reservoir & be in a different country than where she belongs doing her job and then lie that funding for the LA fire department was not a issue at all - BS ! If the water thing is a lie then why was one of the reservoirs shut down ?

 

And right there along the pacific coast where a bunch of the houses burned some were with in feet of the largest body of water in the world and they would rather shut of water to Cali because of a guppy and not build a desalinization plant so they could have as much water as they need but it's more important to buy needles for junkies, and give each car owner $1400 checks to off set the high prices of gas because it is so over taxed . 

 

They & you are all just pissed because he's got a set and calls them all out on it . 

 

None of them like it when they get called out, Bernie got pissed when RFK admitted that not only himself but most of those Senators accept money from big  pharma then tried to lie his way out of it and that's the way it goes with all of ya'll it's okay to throw stones but those in glass houses get the stones thrown back they don't like it . 

 

Same with all the Biden lies which was the entire reason for the preemptive pardons to cover their ass on their way out the door ...

Fake news. 

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

I'll take this one.

The standard should never be whether the policy causes a plane crash.

Pilots can mitigate controller errors, as they have controls and windows, and are ultimately responsible for manipulating an airplane of helo.

Controllers are advisory, as are traffic signals in the auto world.

 

The point is that the FAA is an organization that grossly reduces efficiency, and some of that is because of the hiring and promotion policy intact.

Everybody knows it.

 

The lack of killing people is not the standard. 

The investigation is over? This was ruled dei hire? Not bad for a bills fan on a message board.  When did they blame it on the atc? 

Edited Saturday at 12:00 AM by 4th&long