Why no tush push on the Allen QB sneaks?

[RoscoeParrish]

All year it seemed like we had Hollins or a RB come in motion and push Allen and/or the pile behind him on our QB sneaks. It was pretty close to unstoppable. 
 

In rewatching the AFCCG game, there were multiple sneak attempts with no one pushing the pile and Allen from behind. 
 

Why?

 

 

Edited Friday at 02:20 AM by RoscoeParrish
Update

[LabattBlue]

Hemorrhoids?

[Einstein]

From a Chiefs player…

 

“I mean, from our defensive side, he always QB sneaks to our right. So every time we see him in QB sneak formation, we know he’s coming to the right side every time. It’s a hundred percent, 10 for 10, he’s going to that side. If he would’ve did something different, then we wouldn’t have been prepared because we’re selling he was coming to that right side every time. And if they would’ve, you know, I think self-scouted a little bit, then they would’ve went to the opposite side and they probably would’ve had a little more chance.”

 

Joe Brady’s coaching leading up to that game and in that game was brutal. Zero tendency breakers, running the same stuff we ran all year, etc. 

I thought for sure all year that they were setting the stage to (in the playoffs) go into QB sneak formation and then run a fake-sneak pass, or go to the opposite side, or do a quick pitch, or SOMETHING.

 

But nope. 
 

Same old, same old.

Edited Friday at 02:44 AM by Einstein

[Dablitzkrieg]

A couple times they hurried to prevent a switch of personnel.   It backfired 

[Punch]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

From a Chiefs player…

 

“I mean, from our defensive side, he always QB sneaks to our right. So every time we see him in QB sneak formation, we know he’s coming to the right side every time. It’s a hundred percent, 10 for 10, he’s going to that side. If he would’ve did something different, then we wouldn’t have been prepared because we’re selling he was coming to that right side every time. And if they would’ve, you know, I think self-scouted a little bit, then they would’ve went to the opposite side and they probably would’ve had a little more chance.”

 

Joe Brady’s coaching leading up to that game and in that game was brutal. Zero tendency breakers, running the same stuff we ran all year, etc. 

I thought for sure all year that they were setting the stage to (in the playoffs) go into QB sneak formation and then run a fake-sneak pass, or go to the opposite side, or do a quick pitch, or SOMETHING.

 

But nope. 
 

Same old, same old.

I mentioned this before, but on Sunday afternoon, a caller into WGR told Jeremy and Nate that he noticed Allen always tush pushes/sneaks to the left pushing off his right foot. He mentioned the Chiefs would certainly be aware of this and be prepared, although Jeremy and Nate more or less dismissed him.

 

I keep thinking about that caller.

[DaVinci]

13 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

A couple times they hurried to prevent a switch of personnel.   It backfired 

And it cost them a challenge that would have gave them the first down.

[dave mcbride]

17 minutes ago, Einstein said:

From a Chiefs player…

 

“I mean, from our defensive side, he always QB sneaks to our right. So every time we see him in QB sneak formation, we know he’s coming to the right side every time. It’s a hundred percent, 10 for 10, he’s going to that side. If he would’ve did something different, then we wouldn’t have been prepared because we’re selling he was coming to that right side every time. And if they would’ve, you know, I think self-scouted a little bit, then they would’ve went to the opposite side and they probably would’ve had a little more chance.”

 

Joe Brady’s coaching leading up to that game and in that game was brutal. Zero tendency breakers, running the same stuff we ran all year, etc. 

I thought for sure all year that they were setting the stage to (in the playoffs) go into QB sneak formation and then run a fake-sneak pass, or go to the opposite side, or do a quick pitch, or SOMETHING.

 

But nope. 
 

Same old, same old.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nazeeh-johnson-chiefs-knew-josh-allens-tendencies-for-qb-sneaks Link

[Blank Stare]

To be fair, it was basically automatic all year. (And he did have the first down on 4th and 1, but got screwed). 

[DaVinci]

jeez why couldnt they be smart eneough to try and run the play to the other side wtf.

[reddogblitz]

On the last one they had Shakir pushing.  Little ole Shakir.  All 190 pounds.  Puzzling to me.  Where was Gilliam or somebody big?

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nazeeh-johnson-chiefs-knew-josh-allens-tendencies-for-qb-sneaks Link

Guys....this isnt rocket science.  Its not some incredible revelation.

 

I'm just sitting on my couch, and I knew that Josh almost always goes to the left side several games ago.  The announcers knew as well.

 

I'm pretty sure that every defense knew that.  And the Bills knew that defenses knew.  Again, this isnt rocket science.

 

But Bills were just a bit arrogant, thinking "we dont care, we're that good, you cant stop us".

 

Bills offensive brain trust was wrong.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Punch said:

I mentioned this before, but on Sunday afternoon, a caller into WGR told Jeremy and Nate that he noticed Allen always tush pushes/sneaks to the left pushing off his right foot. He mentioned the Chiefs would certainly be aware of this and be prepared, although Jeremy and Nate more or less dismissed him.

 

I keep thinking about that caller.

we have been talking about this since before the Tennessee miss. The thing is that even scouted and known, the tush push is usually a 99% play because it’s near impossible to stop a few inches in that situation 

 

setting aside the ref issue I’d be real curious to see more of their magic bullet because it’s been years of the same play and they stopped it more times in that game than the rest of the league since 2022

[DaVinci]

All season I was thinking the time was coming like the Tennessee game a few years ago when Josh got stuffed running the play at the goal line. Someone was waiting for him in that left side gap. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1) We rushed a few of the tush push snaps to try and catch KC with wrong personnel 

 

2) KC was lining up in the neutral zone on every short yardage play

 

I'm curious if they'll do the same in the SB and if they'll actually be flagged for it

 

 

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

1) We rushed a few of the tush push snaps to try and catch KC with wrong personnel 

 

2) KC was lining up in the neutral zone on every short yardage play

 

I'm curious if they'll do the same in the SB and if they'll actually be flagged for it

 

 

I've got a great bridge to sell you.

[90sBills]

Philly’s tush push is alot more fluid and unstoppable. Part of the reason for that is Hurts being smaller than Allen and get lost in the scrum. 

[reddogblitz]

19 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

setting aside the ref issue I’d be real curious to see more of their magic bullet because it’s been years of the same play and they stopped it more times in that game than the rest of the league since 2022

 

Washington Football Team stopped Philly a couple of times in the NFC Championship game.  

 

I have seen many unstoppable plays in football over the years that were then figured out.  Starting with the wishbone.  10 years ago the play where you put the football on the RBs belly and then pull it out if the DE crashes in was considered unstoppable.  Now the Brotherly Shove. I think its close to being solved as well.

 

I'm not a fan of the play and hope we never run it again.

[DapperCam]

22 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Philly’s tush push is alot more fluid and unstoppable. Part of the reason for that is Hurts being smaller than Allen and get lost in the scrum. 

I think part of it is Hurts kind of rides the wave of his o-lineman getting the push. Allen seems to feel like he is the one who needs to break through the defense himself.

[Man with No Name]

People are making too much of the chiefs knowing it was coming. Everyone knew what was coming and in what direction. this is a play where you count on your guys winning a battle that everybody knows is coming. our one advantage should have been that we know when the snap is coming, so we can start moving first. 

 

well, now we know that we aren't going to just always get it every time. Clearly, next year we will need to diversify our short yardage package. 

[High Mark]

Am I the only one who noticed Allen stepping back at first, or a hesitation, and then trying to sneak forward? On his first two, maybe three attempts, he did it.  And it failed.  And as another poster said, there was no tushy pushy on those delayed sneaks.