Opinion: Bills SHOULD hire Doug Pederson as assistant HC

[freddyjj]

14 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Whatever people think about Doug Pederson, he has been around Reid and Spags for a very long time. He gives you a guy who has won Super Bowls, and has deep, deep knowledge of Andy’s offense. 
 

He could serve a multitude of roles, not only could he be a sounding board for Joe Brady and Josh Allen, he could be even more useful to Bobby Babich by working with him on ways Reid will attack his scheme. He could help identify the shortfalls we have and help the defense get prepared for their arch nemesis.

 

Pederson is not going to get a HC job in this cycle, and if there is anyone who really truly knows how Reid thinks, it’s him. Going all the way back to his days in Green Bay as Brett Farve’s backup, as well as coaching under him in various places, Doug may be able to get us over the hump. 
 

I understand that this brain trust isn’t going anywhere, so I am trying to think of ways we can improve this year on the coaching side, bringing in a hired gun like Pederson is something I hope the Bills consider. It also helps Doug rebuild his reputation after being so terrible in Jacksonville. He is said to be a pretty loyal guy, so is he willing to help McDermott and company overcome his mentor in Reid? Only time will tell. 

yeah Bills should hire a HC who went 0-4 in regular season and 0-1 in playoffs vs KC as Eagles and Jags HC.  Makes sense to me!

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

yeah Bills should hire a HC who went 0-4 in regular season and 0-1 in playoffs vs KC as Eagles and Jags HC.  Makes sense to me!

 

Yea, if they want a coach with a proven track record of beating Andy Reid might I recommend the fella who coaches the Bills? He has the best record going. 

 

If we want someone with a record of beating him in the playoffs then give Bruce Arians a call. Guarantee the first thing he'd do is turn to Brandon Beane and tell him his WRs are chumps and he needs to get some speed on the field for Josh. 

Edited Friday at 03:27 PM by GunnerBill

[RkFast]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I see your point but how many older guys are OCs in the NFL right now? 

 

14/27 currently employed OCs are aged 40 or younger. Only 5/27 are over the age of 45. 

 

Why is that the case? Two reasons:

 

1. The best OCs become Head Coaches and coach offense well enough to keep their jobs even when their team doesn't have top end QB talent - Reid, Shanahan, McVay.

 

2. Offense in the NFL is constantly changing and you can become out of date quite quickly. 

 

Pederson failed twice to fit into category #1 and is very much IMO in category #2. Ran among the least shifts and motion in the entire NFL in 2024 and the offense looked positive Jurassic in comparison to what a lot of the better offenses are running. Pederson won his Superbowl by being at the cutting edge of the RPO era going back 7 or 8 years. That is now pretty par for the course and almost everyone runs RPO as a base component of their offense and defenses have found the adjustments to the extent that it no longer looks the unstoppable weapon it once did. 

 

Great info here for sure. 

[Mister Defense]

13 hours ago, BananaB said:

Bills need someone that just isn’t gonna be a McD puppet. Someone he respects and has worked with to give a different perspective is not a bad idea. 

 

What a silly comment, considering the year the offense and Brady have had.

 

True that McDermott likely would not have hired an offensive coordinator who did not consider running the ball a priority, but that is what a head coach does.

 

It seems clear that Brady was no puppet this year and is on his way to becoming one of the top offensive coordinators in the league, and seems close to that already.

 

Furthermore, I wish McDermott was much more hands on with Babich this year, as he seemed to be at times, especially earlier in the year.  He is one of the best defensive minds, coaches in this league.

 

 

[BananaB]

Just now, Mister Defense said:

 

What a silly comment, considering the year the offense and Brady have had.

 

True that McDermott likely would not have hired an offensive coordinator who did not consider running the ball a priority, but that is what a head coach does.

 

It seems clear that Brady was no puppet this year and is on his way to becoming one of the top offensive coordinators in the league, and seems close to that already.

 

Furthermore, I wish McDermott was much more hands on with Babich this year, as he seemed to be at times, especially earlier in the year.  He is one of the best defensive minds, coaches in this league.

 

 

Who do you think called all the QB sneaks Brady or McD. We already know in the Rams game McD told Brady he wanted the best short yardage play instead of passing. After the game on Sunday continued to say it worked all season and it was their best play. My guess is will never really  know but I’m sure I’m not the only one that thinks Brady would of like to try something different but McD pushed for that play

[MiracleAtRich1393]

39 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This is an overreaction.  The game against Kansas City might have been Brady’s worst game yet they still scored 29 points.  Buffalo’s offense is really good and has been scoring points all season.   I don’t mind the idea of getting a veteran offensive voice in the room, but I also don’t think it’s something he needs.

 

What would help more would be getting Brady a few WR’s that actually separate and can stretch the field vertically 
 

 

Yeah a small trade up for Brian Thomas Jr. vs. the Keon/DeWayne Carter combo was definitely the added element that could have taken the offense to a point where they could put up 40 on KC at Arrowhead.  We know Reid is gonna shart on our defense in the playoffs. Gotta be able to put up 40.

[MrEpsYtown]

14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly...this albeit a good idea, would be struck down immediately by Sean feeling threatened by Doug.  Sean insists to have full control over his failed Defense- Scheme.

 

15 hours ago, T.E. said:

McDermott runs the whole system, and the system is predicated on coordinators deferring to him and running the team his way. Zero chance he brings in anyone that could possibly be considered an equal, especially not if that person wanted to try a different approach.

 

Totally hear that. And I think it's unfortunate and ego-driven. I know it's an ego-driven profession, but if there is a guy out there doing nothing right now who could help this team get over the hump they should totally consider it. Hopefully, we see some sort of fresh/different approach here. 

[T master]

15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

It also helps Doug rebuild his reputation after being so terrible in Jacksonville. He is said to be a pretty loyal guy, so is he willing to help McDermott and company overcome his mentor in Reid? Only time will tell. 

 

These are the 2 biggest things you said that sticks out in your post, this was one of the guys that before he got hired by the Jags that fans here were saying that needed to be "The Guy" to replace McD I'm glad that didn't happen !! 

 

I'm sure he has a wealth of knowledge about Reid but your forgetting one thing, McD was in Philly with Reid as his coach too & has first hand knowledge of how Andy coaches plus the experiences of coaching against him both in season & the play offs, so then there's that . 

 

I have faith that McD will make all the haters eat crow one day & he will get the talent & him along with his coaches plus who ever he decides to bring in will help the process in place, just as he brought in a retired Ref to help him make calls as far as throwing the red flag for review the man learns from all the things he see's that stopped him in his previous seasons and gets better for it .

 

So if he thinks bringing in someone like Pederson could be a plus then i would behind him in that but he''s not doing bad with what he has accomplished since he took over IMO it's just some can't or won't see it ...

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

yeah Bills should hire a HC who went 0-4 in regular season and 0-1 in playoffs vs KC as Eagles and Jags HC.  Makes sense to me!

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea, if they want a coach with a proven track record of beating Andy Reid might I recommend the fella who coaches the Bills? He has the best record going. 

 

If we want someone with a record of beating him in the playoffs then give Bruce Arians a call. Guarantee the first thing he'd do is turn to Brandon Beane and tell him his WRs are chumps and he needs to get some speed on the field for Josh. 

 

So my thought process here isn't about a head coach who beat the Chiefs. Antonio Pierce beat the Chiefs last year. Bradon Staley beat them. Nate Hackett nearly beat them as head coach of the Broncos and Nate is probably the worst HC in the history of the NFL. Lost by 3 actually...sound familiar? That to me is a very simplistic way of looking at a very complicated game. 

 

I'm talking about having a guy in the building who could likely help prepare the team to play against a guy with whom he has pretty deep knowledge. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

 

 

So my thought process here isn't about a head coach who beat the Chiefs. Antonio Pierce beat the Chiefs last year. Bradon Staley beat them. Nate Hackett nearly beat them as head coach of the Broncos and Nate is probably the worst HC in the history of the NFL. Lost by 3 actually...sound familiar? That to me is a very simplistic way of looking at a very complicated game. 

 

I'm talking about having a guy in the building who could likely help prepare the team to play against a guy with whom he has pretty deep knowledge. 

 

I don't buy that Pederson has any deeper knowledge than McDermott. He has been with him more recently, sure. But when I watch the way Doug called offense this year and the way Andy is calling offense there is very little carry over. So I'm just not sure he brings that.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

Yeah a small trade up for Brian Thomas Jr. vs. the Keon/DeWayne Carter combo was definitely the added element that could have taken the offense to a point where they could put up 40 on KC at Arrowhead.  We know Reid is gonna shart on our defense in the playoffs. Gotta be able to put up 40.

BTJ was the player I really wanted.  I’d love to know what happened in the war room.  Did they try to trade up and were rebuffed?  Did they think BTJ could fall a few picks and they could trade less?  Or were they just not that into him enough  that they wanted to make a trade. We’ll never know

 

After year 1, I’m not really high on either Coleman or Carter

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

BTJ was the player I really wanted.  I’d love to know what happened in the war room.  Did they try to trade up and were rebuffed?  Did they think BTJ could fall a few picks and they could trade less?  Or were they just not that into him enough  that they wanted to make a trade. We’ll never know

 

After year 1, I’m not really high on either Coleman or Carter

 

My gut tells me they were so super hard-pressed to get that 3rd rounder back that they never tried to trade up. I guess we will never know, but that thinking is really short-sighted and unfortunate. 

[Sojourner]

12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

My gut tells me they were so super hard-pressed to get that 3rd rounder back that they never tried to trade up. I guess we will never know, but that thinking is really short-sighted and unfortunate. 

Over the last 10 years of reading this board it’s actually pretty hilarious the amount people get right on here and the front office so wrong. 
 

If you did a poll, made the trades needed to get the players that were the majority pick, we’d actually have an impressive roster. 
 

Conversely, we wouldn’t have Josh. Well, Josh Allen that is lol

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I see your point but how many older guys are OCs in the NFL right now? 

 

14/27 currently employed OCs are aged 40 or younger. Only 5/27 are over the age of 45. 

 

Why is that the case? Two reasons:

 

1. The best OCs become Head Coaches and coach offense well enough to keep their jobs even when their team doesn't have top end QB talent - Reid, Shanahan, McVay.

 

2. Offense in the NFL is constantly changing and you can become out of date quite quickly. 

 

Pederson failed twice to fit into category #1 and is very much IMO in category #2. Ran among the least shifts and motion in the entire NFL in 2024 and the offense looked positive Jurassic in comparison to what a lot of the better offenses are running. Pederson won his Superbowl by being at the cutting edge of the RPO era going back 7 or 8 years. That is now pretty par for the course and almost everyone runs RPO as a base component of their offense and defenses have found the adjustments to the extent that it no longer looks the unstoppable weapon it once did. 

 

 

Yeah I view Pederson as a Wade Phillips type HC.   Sloppy, no attention to detail.  Pederson won that SB by taking over a team that had trained harder than any other for 3 years under Chip Kelly and had been at the forefront of the RPO under Kelly.   People forget that Kelly with Nick Foles playing at a 27 to 2 TD/INT ratio and lead the NFL in passer rating at yards per attempt under Kelly in 2013.  Pederson got the double bump because the players were ecstatic that Kelly was gone but also primed physically and schematically for success.   Wade got a similar bump in Dallas taking over for Parcells and getting better results(until the playoffs) initially.   Until, of course, his lack of attention to detail eroded the foundation that Parcells had built.

 

The guy I would like to see the Bills bring in with some kind of promotion is Davis Webb.  He seems like the obvious successor to Brady.......other than the fact that he has no actual play calling experience.   Would be great to have him working with Brady for a year.    Ronald Curry might not like that but I presume he'd follow Brady as his OC when Brady gets his HC job in that scenario.  

[Sojourner]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I view Pederson as a Wade Phillips type HC.   Sloppy, no attention to detail.  Pederson won that SB by taking over a team that had trained harder than any other for 3 years under Chip Kelly and had been at the forefront of the RPO under Kelly.   People forget that Kelly with Nick Foles playing at a 27 to 2 TD/INT ratio and lead the NFL in passer rating at yards per attempt under Kelly in 2013.  Pederson got the double bump because the players were ecstatic that Kelly was gone but also primed physically and schematically for success.   Wade got a similar bump in Dallas taking over for Parcells and getting better results(until the playoffs) initially.   Until, of course, his lack of attention to detail eroded the foundation that Parcells had built.

 

The guy I would like to see the Bills bring in with some kind of promotion is Davis Webb.  He seems like the obvious successor to Brady.......other than the fact that he has no actual play calling experience.   Would be great to have him working with Brady for a year.    Ronald Curry might not like that but I presume he'd follow Brady as his OC when Brady gets his HC job in that scenario.  

Fun fact:
Reggie Bush and Davis Webb have the same career rushing yards for the team. 

[machine gun kelly]

How about No.  His Philly GM gave him an incredibly talented team and won one SB.  He ruined the Jags who has a promising QB, and some talent.  Brady doesn’t need help.  That’s not the problem.  

[Comebackkid]

8 hours ago, JohnNord said:

BTJ was the player I really wanted.  I’d love to know what happened in the war room.  Did they try to trade up and were rebuffed?  Did they think BTJ could fall a few picks and they could trade less?  Or were they just not that into him enough  that they wanted to make a trade. We’ll never know

 

After year 1, I’m not really high on either Coleman or Carter

I think part of this is just bargain basement shopping and not seeing the difference between coleman a player like BJT.

In the end you get two players that dont make a difference vs one that does.

they have done that a lot.

 

[KOKBILLS]

On 1/30/2025 at 8:04 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

Whatever people think about Doug Pederson, he has been around Reid and Spags for a very long time. He gives you a guy who has won Super Bowls, and has deep, deep knowledge of Andy’s offense. 
 

He could serve a multitude of roles, not only could he be a sounding board for Joe Brady and Josh Allen, he could be even more useful to Bobby Babich by working with him on ways Reid will attack his scheme. He could help identify the shortfalls we have and help the defense get prepared for their arch nemesis.

 

Pederson is not going to get a HC job in this cycle, and if there is anyone who really truly knows how Reid thinks, it’s him. Going all the way back to his days in Green Bay as Brett Farve’s backup, as well as coaching under him in various places, Doug may be able to get us over the hump. 
 

I understand that this brain trust isn’t going anywhere, so I am trying to think of ways we can improve this year on the coaching side, bringing in a hired gun like Pederson is something I hope the Bills consider. It also helps Doug rebuild his reputation after being so terrible in Jacksonville. He is said to be a pretty loyal guy, so is he willing to help McDermott and company overcome his mentor in Reid? Only time will tell. 

 

The Bills problem is McD's system and talent on Defense now, and especially the Defensive game planning in the last game of the playoffs the last 5 years.

 

Find another Defensive ex HC like Spags to come in and help and I'm all ears... 

Edited Saturday at 03:34 AM by KOKBILLS

[GoBills!]

On 1/30/2025 at 8:30 PM, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Pedersen, Nagy, Bienemy, Rivera, Shurmer, Bowels (sure he is the HC of the Buccaneers, but what is that getting him??? I’m sure he’d love to be the asst. to the assistant’s assistant Head Coach in Buffalo), Childress, and Leslie Fraizer would probably come back, right? All these guys are available (except Bowels, but I covered that).

While we’re at it, let’s get Frank Reich back home to Buffalo and maybe he can get ol’ Jimbo to finally do some coaching. I hear Marv is looking pretty spry and is tired of Chicago. You know, Big Mike McCarthy is considering a year off, but why not throw him a line and see? Did I forget anyone? What the hell is Fitzpatrick doing? He loves Buffalo. Let’s get him in here, too.

Tony Romo needs to be added to the list there along with Chan Gailey. 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Comebackkid said:

I think part of this is just bargain basement shopping and not seeing the difference between coleman a player like BJT.

In the end you get two players that dont make a difference vs one that does.

they have done that a lot.

 

Right, extra draft picks are only as good as your selections.   There’s been a lot of players who weren’t stars after their rookie season.  I’m hoping that happens with Coleman and Carter in season 2, but I haven’t been all that encouraged based on what I’ve seen.