Beane/McDermott End of season press conferences (Beane live now, Sean at 2pm)

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Your OC, DC & ST coaches all have minimal experience in those roles. How does this make sense for a team with SB aspirations…unless this is what McD wants…a bunch of inexperienced guys who will be beholden to him for the chance?

Kinda goes to show the pressure that Josh has on him. Without Josh's greatness these guys would all be gone. With Josh's greatness, a team that's 13-4 and firing their coaches looks silly even though there seems to be glaring needs for improvement in a few spots. 

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Your OC, DC & ST coaches all have minimal experience in those roles. How does this make sense for a team with SB aspirations…unless this is what McD wants…a bunch of inexperienced guys who will be beholden to him for the chance?

 

Its a very good point.  Spags is the difference always when we play KC.  Philly brought in Fangio this year and it made a huge difference.

 

Brady is decent IMO, not this greatest thing that he is being portrayed right now.  I do wonder how an experienced OC like Doug Pederson would do.

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, RkFast said:

"I dont see the need to tear it down" - Beane.

 

Sure, Brandon...the Big Nickel "BBDB" defense that failed five times in the playoffs? Roll it out as-is again. 

 

This presser is starting to get me angry......

 

There's not a chasm between the Bills and the Chiefs.  There's absolutely no need to tear it down and anyone who thinks there is should go hide in a Cave until the playoffs next year.

 

Remember the expectations coming into this year?  Remember where we actually ended up?

 

This game was especially frustrating because it's one of the few times I side with the conspiracy theorists and believe the refs were just trying to screw us.

 

There's no need to tear things down.  I'm sure Beane knows he has work to do this offseason, but it's not because we're so far away from the Chiefs... it's because we're so friggin close!!!

 

I hope that we use some of our draft capital to trade for some veteran players rather than using all of them in the draft.  It might be a Pipe dream... but if we can acquire Mad Maxx this offseason that would be a huge difference maker.  Or use them to trade up for a blue Chip player.

 

Pass Rusher, Space Eating DT, CB, WR

 

If we can fill those spots with some good players and a couple blue-chippers I think we should all be happy.

 

Tearing down a 13 win team that made it to the AFC Championship game is just stupid.

5 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

Wow. This is pretty damning. Hopefully Keon gets that physicality back. 

 

I'm glad he said it.  That was one of the most frustrating things in the back half of the season.  I was legitimately excited about Keon in the front half of the season.

 

He played small in the back half of the season, yet Allen still kept throwing him the ball and every throw was a waste of a play.

 

I hope Keon really works this offseason.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I found it interesting they called out his physicality. To my eyes that wasn't the problem this year. Maybe as a blocker but not as a pass catcher. The problem was mostly mental and technical IMO. He doesn't do a good job of finding windows in zone or detailed route running to separate in man. He doesn't read leverage well with the ball in his hands. So sure go pump some iron this offseason but mostly I think he needs to watch some Travis Kelce film, compare it with his own, and learn how to make himself available to his QB. Make sight adjustments, subtly move to match Allen's movements and eyes, etc. The game needs to slow down for him.

 

 

Really?

 

How many times in the back half of the season was Keon supposed to get on top of the CB but he allowed the defender to get his hands on him and he couldn't get around him?  So many ridiculous wasted passes by Allen where the ball went to a spot Keon was supposed to be but wasn't because he was out-physicalled by a smaller defender.

 

I think the criticism was dead-on.

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I get mad at him sometimes but he's a tremendous leader and good guy. It's hard not to root for him. He is from an internal toughness and character standpoint everything you want in a HC 

 

He is underrated in many respects too. I get mad at him tho 

 

I was really upset for a few days after the AFC championship 

 

What about our loss on Sunday should be pinned mostly on McDermott?

 

I understand he's responsible for everything, including offensive and defensive game plans.  However, he's said throughout the year he's been more hands-off with Brady and Babbich to let them call their plays.

 

So if you thought the Bills shouldn't have gone for all of those 4th downs in the game, I'd put that on McDermott. If you thought we should have gone for them, but should have mixed up the playcalling, I would put that more on Brady.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Loved what McDermott said about James Cook. But how do you have player in the zone, you can see he’s in the zone, but don’t put him in the field in crunch time?

 

These are the decisions that lose games vs the Chiefs. McDermott should’ve been on the radio with Joe Brady and saying to feed Cook.

 

See comment above... McDermott put more faith in his Coordinators this year than years past.  He said it throughout the year.

 

I actually view that as an area of growth on his part.

 

I think Brady is the guy who really needs to spend the offseason working.  He needs to study Andy Reid more for offensive play calling in terms of timing and misdirection especially

[Doc Brown]

33 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Kinda goes to show the pressure that Josh has on him. Without Josh's greatness these guys would all be gone. With Josh's greatness, a team that's 13-4 and firing their coaches looks silly even though there seems to be glaring needs for improvement in a few spots. 

It wouldn't be that crazy.  John Fox was fired after a 12-4 season with the Broncos after winning the division four times in a row and had a Super Bowl appearance.  Broncos won the Super Bowl the next year.  Obviously, McDermott isn't going to get fired this year but if a similar result happens next year then Pegula needs to try a different course.  McDermott can definitely build a grand piano but I'm not sure he can play it.

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He said it was Ty Johnson 2 minute drill, what they do all year. Cook wouldve went in if Johnson got tired.

 

I don’t understand the decision when you feel Cook is in a zone. Make an adjustment on the fly. Put Cook in the game!

I hear you but there's also part of me who's always believed go with what you got you here.  Ty Johnson played in the two minute drill all year and was very good in it as both a blocker and pass catcher.  Thing is though they really didn't have to be in a two minute drill when you had around three and half minutes remaining with all your timeouts. 

[BananaB]

55 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Its a very good point.  Spags is the difference always when we play KC.  Philly brought in Fangio this year and it made a huge difference.

 

Brady is decent IMO, not this greatest thing that he is being portrayed right now.  I do wonder how an experienced OC like Doug Pederson would do.

Difference is Andy is beating McDs D. 

[jaybeezee]

57 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Maybe I'm still bitter about the loss, but the whole "we didn't beat kc but we had a great season" mentality drives me nuts. I know McDermott said repeatedly that they don't get complacent, but it's just the same thing year after year at this point 

Yes it is and I am still bitter. This team is very fortunate that Josh remains relatively healthy throughout each season. That is the definition of LUCK if you ask me. The way Josh plays the QB position, even though he is a big QB, he (we) have been very lucky that he hasnt had to miss any significant amount of time during the season. As he ages, and he will be 29 next season, age catches up to everyone, so we cannot continue to waste his prime years with coaches that are still learning, or JAGS that shouldnt be starters on a SB contending team.

 

From the sounds of the presser, we will pretty much be running it back with the exception of some rookies. That is downright SINFUL!

[rajinka]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

 

The negativity here is exhausting. 

I think there was more positivity during drought years while everyone ragged on jerry Sullivan for being a downer.  

[UKBillFan]

30 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It wouldn't be that crazy.  John Fox was fired after a 12-4 season with the Broncos after winning the division four times in a row and had a Super Bowl appearance.  Broncos won the Super Bowl the next year.  Obviously, McDermott isn't going to get fired this year but if a similar result happens next year then Pegula needs to try a different course.  McDermott can definitely build a grand piano but I'm not sure he can play it.

I hear you but there's also part of me who's always believed go with what you got you here.  Ty Johnson played in the two minute drill all year and was very good in it as both a blocker and pass catcher.  Thing is though they really didn't have to be in a two minute drill when you had around three and half minutes remaining with all your timeouts. 

 

The trouble is, with Pegula's track record elsewhere, he'd probably hire a violinist to replace him.

[jaybeezee]

51 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Really?

 

How many times in the back half of the season was Keon supposed to get on top of the CB but he allowed the defender to get his hands on him and he couldn't get around him?  So many ridiculous wasted passes by Allen where the ball went to a spot Keon was supposed to be but wasn't because he was out-physicalled by a smaller defender.

 

I think the criticism was dead-on.

 

What about our loss on Sunday should be pinned mostly on McDermott?

 

I understand he's responsible for everything, including offensive and defensive game plans.  However, he's said throughout the year he's been more hands-off with Brady and Babbich to let them call their plays.

 

So if you thought the Bills shouldn't have gone for all of those 4th downs in the game, I'd put that on McDermott. If you thought we should have gone for them, but should have mixed up the play calling, I would put that more on Brady.

My question is and has been.... Why do we keep using first time OC's/DC's for a supposed SB contending team with a MVP QB in his prime. I know people are gonna say that Brady was an OC before, but he sucked at his job  with Carolina.

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Maybe I'm still bitter about the loss, but the whole "we didn't beat kc but we had a great season" mentality drives me nuts. I know McDermott said repeatedly that they don't get complacent, but it's just the same thing year after year at this point 

yeah, 15W-4L "year after year after year after year..."

 

gimme me more of that !

 

but seriously, Beane was clear they are trying to keep a roster that will give 17 a legit shot at the title every year of his career.  That was a big statement.  they are not going to try and buy one SB at the expense of their  investment in 17's career.   

 

That position makes one hell of a lot of sense; tells me they are about to give Josh a very long term contract that will be crazy expensive.   Which means they need to get the most out of that investment by being highly competitive EVERY year, not just shoot the moon and do a Rams or Saints and go into multi year cap hell for one title.   Very interesting what he said.   

 

McD 's coaching philosophy sounds like a college coach "forming men" and  "having the guys leave better men", etc.  Not sure that fits in a pro program.   Concerning there.   Glad he has coordinators who actually do the work.  

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by ProcessTruster

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Really?

 

How many times in the back half of the season was Keon supposed to get on top of the CB but he allowed the defender to get his hands on him and he couldn't get around him?  So many ridiculous wasted passes by Allen where the ball went to a spot Keon was supposed to be but wasn't because he was out-physicalled by a smaller defender.

 

I think the criticism was dead-on.

 

I was talking about Kincaid. Beane said he needs to get stronger this offseason to have a bigger impact. And yeah that's fine, it's a physical position, I just think his mental game is where he's really lacking.

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, HOUSE said:

To save money this presser is recorded to be used again next year

 

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I thought it was last years repurposed

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

McDermott sounds like he wants to be active in FA. DE, 1 tech DT, Safety, CB, WR needs to be address. Draft the rest.

So he agrees with me as far as need 👍😋

[Governor]

5 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

 

They are overperforming because we have Josh Allen and have managed to find value in the later rounds, but that's hard to sustain year after year. Later round picks are later round picks for a reason and are harder to hit on.

 

If you keep whiffing on your top draft picks, it's eventually going to catch up to you.

Right, we’re over performing enough to beat most teams but when we face KC the talent gap jumps off the screen at you on the first snap. We’re also undersized. We need top-shelf talent but Beane keeps missing on them or drafts projects that need to gain/shed weight and 3-4 years to develop. No more project players in the first 2 rounds. Epenesa was a god awful pick. 75 percent chance Coleman is out of the league in 3 years.

 

KC is 2-3 years ahead of us on size so we’re not going to close that gap unless we draft absolute monsters with every pick. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Governor

[billrooter]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

See comment above... McDermott put more faith in his Coordinators this year than years past.  He said it throughout the year.

 

I actually view that as an area of growth on his part.

 

I think Brady is the guy who really needs to spend the offseason working.  He needs to study Andy Reid more for offensive play calling in terms of timing and misdirection especially

Brady needs to call better plays no doubt, but our defense has ***** the bed Everytime we've played the Chiefs, the Bengals game, and the Texans game. The defensive scheme unfortunately has so many holes in it and nothing is going to change because it's McDermotts scheme, wish they'd change it up a bit it's the same thing repeatedly in the playoffs.

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

Right, we’re over performing enough to beat most teams but when we face KC the talent gap jumps off the screen at you on the first snap. We’re also undersized. We need top-shelf talent but Beane keeps missing on them or drafts projects that need to gain/shed weight and 3-4 years to develop. No more project players in the first 2 rounds. Epenesa was a god awful pick. 75 percent chance Coleman is out of the league in 3 years.

Comeon Coleman is like 21 years old no way in hell he's out of the league in three years barring illness or injury, get a grip.

[jaybeezee]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I was talking about Kincaid. Beane said he needs to get stronger this offseason to have a bigger impact. And yeah that's fine, it's a physical position, I just think his mental game is where he's really lacking.

Kincaids first year was very promising! I attribute that to two things. 1st- He was a rookie and no team had any type of true film on him. #2- Stefon Diggs,  and this is the biggest reason. Having a true #1 who had a killer first half of the season, takes so much pressure off of everyone else. 

 

"Everyone Eats" Well if that is the case, then both Kincaid and Coleman malnourished.

[ProcessTruster]

Beane was clear they are trying to keep a roster that will give 17 a legit shot at the title every year of his career.  That was a big statement.  they are not going to try and buy one SB at the expense of their  investment in 17's career.   

 

That position makes one hell of a lot of sense; tells me they are about to give Josh a very long term contract that will be crazy expensive.   Which means they need to get the most out of that investment by being highly competitive EVERY year, not just shoot the moon and do a Rams or Saints and go into multi year cap hell for one title.   Very interesting what he said.   

 

McD 's coaching philosophy sounds like a college coach "forming men" and  "having the guys leave better men", etc.  Not sure that fits in a pro program.   Concerning there.   Glad he has coordinators who actually do the work.  

 

 

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

There's not a chasm between the Bills and the Chiefs.  There's absolutely no need to tear it down and anyone who thinks there is should go hide in a Cave until the playoffs next year.

 

Remember the expectations coming into this year?  Remember where we actually ended up?

 

This game was especially frustrating because it's one of the few times I side with the conspiracy theorists and believe the refs were just trying to screw us.

 

There's no need to tear things down.  I'm sure Beane knows he has work to do this offseason, but it's not because we're so far away from the Chiefs... it's because we're so friggin close!!!

 

I hope that we use some of our draft capital to trade for some veteran players rather than using all of them in the draft.  It might be a Pipe dream... but if we can acquire Mad Maxx this offseason that would be a huge difference maker.  Or use them to trade up for a blue Chip player.

 

Pass Rusher, Space Eating DT, CB, WR

 

If we can fill those spots with some good players and a couple blue-chippers I think we should all be happy.

 

Tearing down a 13 win team that made it to the AFC Championship game is just stupid.

 

I'm glad he said it.  That was one of the most frustrating things in the back half of the season.  I was legitimately excited about Keon in the front half of the season.

 

He played small in the back half of the season, yet Allen still kept throwing him the ball and every throw was a waste of a play.

 

I hope Keon really works this offseason.

I am going to stick with my stance. Defense need to tweak the scheme. So offseason , pick up the players to make that work.

 Yes Bills won 13 games and some good games at that. But they struggle to finish. Seems like they are figured out and look it.

 Add players , hope for healthy growth from those mentioned above , and find some near elite players on Defense and that WR ( see bolded above ) that will do what we wanted Cooper to do

 

37 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

My question is and has been.... Why do we keep using first time OC's/DC's for a supposed SB contending team with a MVP QB in his prime. I know people are gonna say that Brady was an OC before, but he sucked at his job  with Carolina.

Babich and perhaps Brady need some mentors on the staff. Old Guys who have seen it all

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, RkFast said:

 

Haha. Again, I get the sentiment but I DO think sometimes the "aw shucks, we will get them next time, we love each other" mentality of this team, while often endearing, is sometimes a detriment. 

We're soft and have psychologically accepted losing to KC every year. Don't keep Hamlin because he's got "the greatest story ever".  Don't keep Von because he was willing to re-adjust his contract. And stop saying we're going to keep kicking the door in.  You're kicking it with your heads 🤬.  Brandon,  you and your buddy better figure out this defense.  You've had 8 years. Stop drafting early round busts. Stop doing business with KC.