Jim Kubiak Analysis in BN-- How Officials Likely Cost the Bills the KC Game

[Coach Tuesday]

Question for those of you who are sure it’s all rigged: do you still bet on games?  If yes, um, are you insane?

 

The NFL will only fix the officiating problem if it keeps bettors on the sideline.  Period.

Edited Thursday at 10:20 PM by Coach Tuesday

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Question for those of you who are sure it’s all rigged: do you still bet on games?  If yes, um, are you insane?

 

The NFL will only fix the officiating problem if it keeps bettors on the sideline.  Period.

We just saw another NBA betting scandal (Terry Rozier) pop off today.  This stuff is just going to get worse and worse with all the legalized gambling going on.  Seriously making me consider whether sports watching is even worth my time at this point.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

We just saw another NBA betting scandal (Terry Rozier) pop off today.  This stuff is just going to get worse and worse with all the legalized gambling going on.  Seriously making me consider whether sports watching is even worth my time at this point.

Gambling will have to be the impetus for change if there ever is any.

[BillytheKid]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

No excuses, Allen had the ball with 2 minutes left and 3 timeouts. Brady needed to call better plays and Allen needed better execution. The ball was in their hands, could have drove it down the field with literally 0 time left.

The Bills scored 29 points. It’s not Allen and the offenses fault. It’s the defenses if you want to blame someone on the team.

 

Don’t make yourself sound so stupid. 

Edited Friday at 12:01 AM by BillytheKid

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

14 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

The Bills scored 29 points. It’s not Allen and the offenses fault. It’s the defenses if you want to blame someone on the team.

 

Don’t make yourself sound so stupid. 

 

I don't think I sound stupid but if you do that's your opinion bud.

 

Did Allen not have the ball with 2 minutes left and 3 timeouts? Did we win the game? That's on Brady as the OC, The Players including Allen imo and clearly you don't agree but how does what I'm saying make me sound stupid? Just curious.

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, Pete said:

lots of plays left on the table, and multiple horrible Ref decisions cost us the game.  There are multiple photos that show Josh got the 4th and 1

There was even an overhead camera view that confirmed that over half the ball crossed the 40.  Not to mention 4-5 embarrassing spots.  I said before the game even started we didn't stand a chance.

[CoudyBills]

10 hours ago, Casey D said:

Sure.  There were multiple calls and non-calls that were wrong.  On the Elam facemask, the receiver had Elam's facemask too.   On the 4th down tush push that failed, on the play before (3rd down) Knox or Dawson(can't remember which) made the line to gain but was marked short.  On the subsequent play Allen clearly made it from multiple angles that he got about 1/3 of the ball over the line to gain but was called short. 

 

Other examples, on a key short yardage Chris Jones was clearly offside-- 2/3 of his head is over the line-- which allowed him to blow up the play.  On the KC punt return, a flagrant block in the back was not called.  The Bishop/Worthy call, clearly the ball hit the ground.  Hollins was called for an illegal formation when he asked the ref if he was OK, the ref said yes, then called a penalty anyway. There were more.

 

He also points out that Allen reverted to hero ball at times, and did not take critical gains he could have gotten on checkdowns.  Also, a key bad throw to Samuel that was a short pass that would have been a huge gainer.  Says Allen makes the pass 999 out of 1000.

Groot being cut while engaged all night 

[quincy]

12 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Groot being cut while engaged all night 

 

If Kincaid makes that catch, we could have/would have overcome everything.

 

The holding, bad spots, the block in the back on the return, the catch that wasn't, the brillance of the Spags blitz, the constantly ineffective tush pushes, failed 2 point conversions, you name it. 

 

We had the clutch plays that we needed, Hollins TD, Cook TD, Milano sack, Phillips sack, Samuel TD, Oliver fumble recovery.

 

Sure there were other plays we didn't make but we were so close yet so far and at the very least those Chiefs fans would have felt a miniscule amount of postseason pain inflicted on them by the Buffalo Bills. 

[billsfan89]

My view is that had the 50/50 or 60/40 calls gone the Bills way they still could have lost. However, when you have a tight margins playoff game, those calls can be a difference when margins are that way. It is disheartening as a fan and very frustrating. 

[Goin Breakdown]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Question for those of you who are sure it’s all rigged: do you still bet on games?  If yes, um, are you insane?

 

The NFL will only fix the officiating problem if it keeps bettors on the sideline.  Period.

Also if you think it's fixed then you also have to believe that ALL the owners are in on it. So yeah. The Pegulas want KC to win. 
 

[SaulGoodman]

12 hours ago, Pete said:

lots of plays left on the table, and multiple horrible Ref decisions cost us the game.  There are multiple photos that show Josh got the 4th and 1

In a few views, it looked like he may have gotten the ball past the line. But if he did, it was by an inch or two. 
 

These guys often have to look at 12 different views of a play in slow motion for 10 minutes to get it right…and sometimes it’s STILL questionable. Yet people expect them to be perfect on a call this close in real time? 
 

If people want to be objective, they should ask why a blatant facemask wasn’t called, which would have set the Chiefs up for a FG try at minimum. Or how they interpreted an obvious Offside as a false start, turning what should have been 3rd and 5 into 3rd and 15. Both calls directly led to KC’s only punts of the game.
 

These were the most blatant missed calls in the game. 
 

 

[Breakout Squad]

12 hours ago, Casey D said:

Sure.  There were multiple calls and non-calls that were wrong.  On the Elam facemask, the receiver had Elam's facemask too.   On the 4th down tush push that failed, on the play before (3rd down) Knox or Dawson(can't remember which) made the line to gain but was marked short.  On the subsequent play Allen clearly made it from multiple angles that he got about 1/3 of the ball over the line to gain but was called short. 

 

Other examples, on a key short yardage Chris Jones was clearly offside-- 2/3 of his head is over the line-- which allowed him to blow up the play.  On the KC punt return, a flagrant block in the back was not called.  The Bishop/Worthy call, clearly the ball hit the ground.  Hollins was called for an illegal formation when he asked the ref if he was OK, the ref said yes, then called a penalty anyway. There were more.

 

He also points out that Allen reverted to hero ball at times, and did not take critical gains he could have gotten on checkdowns.  Also, a key bad throw to Samuel that was a short pass that would have been a huge gainer.  Says Allen makes the pass 999 out of 1000.

On the Bishop/Worthy play I think Bishop had control. It wasn’t an incomplete pass. It was an interception and we got robbed. 

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Here is some salient text from Jim's conclusion:
 

Allen didn’t play his best football game, and neither did the Bills’ offense. The Chiefs overpowered the Bills’ offensive line at times while Allen felt the pressure of needing to do more.

 

There were also numerous times in which Chiefs players appeared to benefit from officiating calls and no-calls.

 

The offensive game plan by Brady was solid – but early in the game, Allen didn’t take what the defense gave him. He pressed. He reached. He tried to make plays rather than reading and reacting and taking the completions that were available to him.

 

Admiringly, Allen has transformed himself into an MVP-level player, and in doing so, he changed the way he plays the game....

 

The evidence tells me that Allen and the Bills franchise will one day bring the Lombardi Trophy to Buffalo. Returning and developing this team, with these coaches, is the very best beginning to that end.

 

I believe Kubiak's final statement strongly, but with 3 straight playoff games vs KC where it was so close that all we needed was a single call (or a single bounce) I'm starting to get a little worried (honestly... terrified) that we're cursed and Allen is going to get the Super Bowl (honestly... multiple) that he deserves.

 

Allen deserves a Lombardi.... even more than long suffering Bills fans

[akinko_kd]

The Hollins scrimmage penalty in that article really surprised me.
I can't believe the refs were making crazy decisions so early in the game.

[Pete]

12 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

In a few views, it looked like he may have gotten the ball past the line. But if he did, it was by an inch or two. 
 

These guys often have to look at 12 different views of a play in slow motion for 10 minutes to get it right…and sometimes it’s STILL questionable. Yet people expect them to be perfect on a call this close in real time? 
 

If people want to be objective, they should ask why a blatant facemask wasn’t called, which would have set the Chiefs up for a FG try at minimum. Or how they interpreted an obvious Offside as a false start, turning what should have been 3rd and 5 into 3rd and 15. Both calls directly led to KC’s only punts of the game.
 

These were the most blatant missed calls in the game. 
 

 

https://x.com/ElvisZerodx/status/1884412575535837497

 

Edited Friday at 02:18 PM by Pete

[SaulGoodman]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

https://x.com/ElvisZerodx/status/1884412575535837497

 

 

Take a look at this Twitter thread.

 

This isn't meant to antagonize...just a little perspective. Not all the calls/missed calls go the Chiefs' way. Not by a long shot. 

 

 

 

[alg]

15 hours ago, quincy said:

 

If Kincaid makes that catch, we could have/would have overcome everything.

 

The holding, bad spots, the block in the back on the return, the catch that wasn't, the brillance of the Spags blitz, the constantly ineffective tush pushes, failed 2 point conversions, you name it. 

 

We had the clutch plays that we needed, Hollins TD, Cook TD, Milano sack, Phillips sack, Samuel TD, Oliver fumble recovery.

 

Sure there were other plays we didn't make but we were so close yet so far and at the very least those Chiefs fans would have felt a miniscule amount of postseason pain inflicted on them by the Buffalo Bills. 

Go back to the broadcast tape - the refs had a penalty flag queued up in case Buffalo converted the 4th. The flag mysteriously disappeared after the incompletion.

 

With the still pending need to score and that much time left on the clock, no way the NFL was letting Buffalo walk away with a victory.

 

Please note - I use the term NFL, not ref. New York is making decisions for THEIR entertainment product. Refs handle the small stuff, like f#cking over Buffalo's spots.

[quincy]

10 minutes ago, alg said:

Go back to the broadcast tape - the refs had a penalty flag queued up in case Buffalo converted the 4th. The flag mysteriously disappeared after the incompletion.

 

With the still pending need to score and that much time left on the clock, no way the NFL was letting Buffalo walk away with a victory.

 

Please note - I use the term NFL, not ref. New York is making decisions for THEIR entertainment product. Refs handle the small stuff, like f#cking over Buffalo's spots.

 

Jim Nantz explains phantom flag call after Bills' final play

 

 

The "flag" is talked about after 3 minutes in the above video.

 

The narrative appears to be changing in the media that the referees/flags talk is somehow demeaning the Chiefs. 

 

 

[ToGoGo]

6 minutes ago, quincy said:

 

Jim Nantz explains phantom flag call after Bills' final play

 

 

The "flag" is talked about after 3 minutes in the above video.

 

The narrative appears to be changing in the media that the referees/flags talk is somehow demeaning the Chiefs. 

 

 

 

That "narrative" is sent to them from the NFL headquarters. That's why every sports show on every channel says the same things and has the same exact arguments at the same exact time. They get talking point memos. 

 

26 minutes ago, alg said:

Go back to the broadcast tape - the refs had a penalty flag queued up in case Buffalo converted the 4th. The flag mysteriously disappeared after the incompletion.

 

With the still pending need to score and that much time left on the clock, no way the NFL was letting Buffalo walk away with a victory.

 

Please note - I use the term NFL, not ref. New York is making decisions for THEIR entertainment product. Refs handle the small stuff, like f#cking over Buffalo's spots.

 

We were driving to win at the beginning of the 4th. It felt just like the Chiefs game earlier this year at Highmark. Up a point or two, ready to go up two scores and put the game away.

 

The team was flowing, we know exactly what to do on short yardage plays. But what do you know..... "Outcoached"

[dgrochester55]

The loss was hard enough, but I despise the Toxic mob conformity from the KC bandwagoners and trolls in many places claiming that we have no right to question the ref while stating, ThEy WoUlD hAvE wOn IfThEy PlAyeD bEtTer". This doesn't cut it for me in either the Bills game or the Texans game the week before.  Essentially, a team must make a game-changing clutch play multiple times and/or play well enough to win by two scores to beat the Chiefs. While it is true that, they did not execute at the end, they each have multiple times in the game where they did execute at a vital time only to have it offset by a call, which replays showed was questionable. In our case, the game isn't over if Buffalo gets that first down, but they are in a great position to win. I have no faith in the refs to the point when I have certainty that other flags would have been thrown at critical times if they did get the first down.

The integrity of the officials is in question whether the NFL likes it or not. Are the bad calls because it is fixed? Maybe not. It could be too many rules, inherent bias towards the stars or Reid and Mahomes knowing how to game the system and find loopholes. Regardless of the cause, we have a right to find out. An investigation from an independent party is critical. A sport that was discovered to fixed would lose all credibility and take decades to recover. The stigma of the legal implications and keeping one of the best quarterbacks of all time and a top-ten coach out of the hall of fame would be an ugly blemish in the sport's history. Baseball is still suffering repercussions of the steroid era(which is less serious than fixed games).

The NFL needs to be proactive and choose to do something instead of waiting until they are forced to.

 

 

Edited Friday at 05:55 PM by dgrochester55