Do Bills players think they can beat the Chiefs?

[FireChans]

There's an image from last weeks' game that I can't get out of my head. It was quick so maybe some folks didn't notice it.

 

But after the failed 4th down attempt late in the game, there was a brief second where Dawkins and Chris Jones were doing their little embrace/stay healthy/see you next year dance.

 

The issue?

 

The Bills had 3 time outs and there was 2 minutes left on the clock.

 

Now the Chiefs kinda had their way in the first half, but the defense did force a couple punts and held the Chiefs to FG just the drive before.

 

So why was Dawkins (who I think is excellent) hugging Chris Jones like the clock struck zero?  The game was still live. Maybe we get the ball back with a minute 30 if they hold them to a three and out on runs?  A tipped pass and maybe we save a TO?

 

This leads me to a larger point. 3 point game, 2 minutes left, 3 TO's and one of our best players is ready to start the offseason.  He didn't think we had a chance (he was right but that's besides the point.)

 

Do these guys think they can win when they step on the field?

[Buffalo716]

Ummm you act like we lost by 35 

 

Yeah the players think they could beat the Chiefs 

 

The players on the Titans think they can beat the Chiefs and they have the number one pick 

 

These are professional athletes they have egos

[Einstein]

This is what I meant by my “playoff drought is better in some ways thread”.

 

Would you have hope if you were a player?

[beebe]

it was a weird exchange indeed, i thought more from chris jones’ side. unless jones was certain he wouldn’t have to take the field again. but the chiefs still needed two first downs from there.

[tigerthelion]

I believe they have serious doubts.  Seems to me that KC knows they will win while the Bills are always just hoping.  Until they beat KC in the playoffs, I think that doubt sticks around.  See how Josh started the game compared to how Mahomes started the game?  One calm and collected, the other looking frantic and out of sorts, like the weight of the world is on his shoulders.  

[Sojourner]

Just got done saying this in another thread. 
 

The clock hitting zero and that happening is one thing. 
 

Embracing a celebrating opponent who’s saying they’ve won the game when it’s still absolutely in play is bizarre. 
 

Schnow excuse for that imo. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This is what I meant by my “playoff drought is better in some ways thread”.

 

Would you have hope if you were a player?

Well I played on a bad division 1 football team and yeah all 125 kids every year came in thinking we could win the division 

 

Of course pros think they can win they have massive egos

Edited 14 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Charles Romes]

1 minute ago, tigerthelion said:

I believe they have serious doubts.  Seems to me that KC knows they will win while the Bills are always just hoping.  Until they beat KC in the playoffs, I think that doubt sticks around.  See how Josh started the game compared to how Mahomes started the game?  One calm and collected, the other looking frantic and out of sorts, like the weight of the world is on his shoulders.  

Marino broke down the first series and concluded those first series throws by Allen resulted from pass rush. 

[quincy]

Chris Jones knew that they had the Samaje Perine play ready to go on that series and Buffalo could not stop it.

 

 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ummm you act like we lost by 35 

Ummm I'm acting like one of our best veteran players and leaders was acting like the game was over with 2 minutes left and 3 TOs on defense.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, FireChans said:

Ummm I'm acting like one of our best veteran players and leaders was acting like the game was over with 2 minutes left and 3 TOs on defense.

That has nothing to do with it Dion dawkins thinks he could win lol

 

These guys have massive egos yeah they think they can win

[BananaB]

I thought that was weird as well. But let’s be honest, no one is really talking about the fact the D had 3 timeouts just like last year. Some teams may have punted in that 4th down situation hoping to pin them on the goal line. With 3 timeouts there is plenty of time to get the stop and get back in FG range, maybe even take a shot at the endzone. Fact that the world just figured the game was over, even some players on the field says a lot about this D. 

[tigerthelion]

8 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Marino broke down the first series and concluded those first series throws by Allen resulted from pass rush. 

Pass rush or not, two of those throws were reckless and you could tell Allen was nerved up to the max.

[T.E.]

Nobody on earth thought that our defense - one of the least clutch units in recent NFL memory - was going to get some big stop there. Absolutely no one, including Dawkins and every other player on the team.

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

I thought that was weird as well. But let’s be honest, no one is really talking about the fact the D had 3 timeouts just like last year. Some teams may have punted in that 4th down situation hoping to pin them on the goal line. With 3 timeouts there is plenty of time to get the stop and get back in FG range, maybe even take a shot at the endzone. Fact that the world just figured the game was over, even some players on the field says a lot about this D. 

The D were the final nail in the coffin but no one even before the game thought they were stopping KC if they needed a FG to win. It had to be a TD on the final drive if any. If they punted and we didn’t stop that’s an even bigger failure than the mess that happened to be punting to begin with. 
 

They played like absolute dog sht that last drive they had. But so did the offense. 
 

Whether we had to score 20, 30 or 40. The offense was how we were winning that game. Collectively, their last drive was just as dog sht as our defense…

[TheBrownBear]

I kind of think Dion probably just lost sense of how much time and opportunity was left there.  As we went to break before the 4th and 5, it felt like that play was the game from a psychological standpoint.  I'm sure he was feeling the same.

[Brand J]

Just now, T.E. said:

Nobody on earth thought that our defense - one of the least clutch units in recent NFL memory - was going to get some big stop there. Absolutely no one, including Dawkins and every other player on the team.

If the shoe was on the other foot, I have my doubts the offense could get 2 first downs to ice the game considering they just went 5 and out needing at the very least a FG to tie. Seems they like the drama. 

[78thealltimegreat]

I think the Bills offense believes they can beat the Chiefs. 
I do not think the Bills defense believes they can stop Mahomes. 

[T.E.]

1 minute ago, Brand J said:

If the shoe was on the other foot, I have my doubts the offense could get 2 first downs to ice the game considering they just went 5 and out needing at the very least a FG to tie. Seems they like the drama. 

They just wilt in big moments because of the general demeanor of our coaching staff. Everything is always frantic from the top down. There is never an actual plan in place...the whole philosophy is based on reacting to what the other team does. An absolute equation for losing against top-tier squads.

[Sojourner]

5 minutes ago, T.E. said:

They just wilt in big moments because of the general demeanor of our coaching staff. Everything is always frantic from the top down. There is never an actual plan in place...the whole philosophy is based on reacting to what the other team does. An absolute equation for losing against top-tier squads.

 

This isn’t coaching staff on this 2nd & 9.

The wilting you see isn’t because of McDermott, Babich or anyone involved with that group. 

Looks to me you have a 5v3 there. Play it better and you win. Good plan if it’s played better. 

Actually 6v3 if the safety plays it better. 

But sure, we’ll roll with it’s all Sean’s fault lol