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1 minute ago, ghostwriter said:

McD is the more experienced coach. Why would we fire Babich instead of McD? It makes no sense.

McDermott is a great leader and gets the most out of talent. I wish he would acknowledge his shortcomings because I would love him in a Marv Levy type roll. 

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3 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

it is hard to do... especially when your picking these guys up at the lower end of the Draft.   some of them are 6-7th round picks. 

or on the back end of their carrrers.   I would take a long hard look at some of the draft gurus that are on the Bills staff though and see if there

isnt maybe an upgrade out there some where.

I’m so sick of this excuse, the Chiefs draft after everyone every year and have built one of the better D’s in the league.  It’s not where you draft, it’s drafting the right guys when you make the pick.  For example, I wanted Dejean this year, the Eagles got a top flight corner and we got two guys that struggled to get on the field in the first 2 picks.

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1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

I’m so sick of this excuse, the Chiefs draft after everyone every year and have built one of the better D’s in the league.  It’s not where you draft, it’s drafting the right guys when you make the pick.  For example, I wanted Dejean this year, the Eagles got a top flight corner and we got two guys that struggled to get on the field in the first 2 picks.

I mean who really saw a white CB actually panning out? It hasn’t happen since Jason Sehorn.

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Sorry Bud , don't agree here

Babich likely can adjust to whatever and need another year or two really ( continuity fan ) if you can call and coach multiple during the game. I think he can

McD seem to be struggling to shift gears

Better than Frazier ? Sure

 But still

I'm more calling for a scheme change- Whether it is Frazier, McDermott or Babich, this defence crumbles in the playoffs .

 

They aren't going to change the scheme and keep Babich Which is what I'm trying to say- As that would be like having a west coast offensive coach and then asking him to run Erhardt-Perkings. Just wouldn't work

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Posted
17 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Like for the 3rd down defence? No in total for the season they were 29th on 3rd downs 


Great point. The defenses in the top half of the league are all around the better ones for sacks and/or pressures. No coincident there. 
 

What does become weird is that we were middle of the pack in sacks and pressures but in the bottom 5 for 3rd down conversion rates. 
 

We have a coverage issue as much as a defensive line issue if we aspire to have a Super Bowl caliber defense. 

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6 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

McDermott is a great leader and gets the most out of talent. I wish he would acknowledge his shortcomings because I would love him in a Marv Levy type roll. 

Still though, he was a prolific DC for so many years, why does our defense suck? It’s like being a baker but you can’t make a cake.

Posted
12 minutes ago, DCofNC said:


Bernard, Williams, Milano (giving a pass for injury), Miller and quite honestly, the entire line… and 
 

ya know, let’s just do this, Benford and Rapp played well.  Hamlin played to his ability and YET they ran him out there as a starter, that’s nonsense.

I think Williams and Miller did the best that they could.  Miller at the end of his career,  Williams, a marginal linebacker to begin with. I doubt that Hamiln was the projected starter in the original plans,  I think it was edwards and Bishop,  but injuries early in camp killed that. 

 

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1 minute ago, Sojourner said:


Great point. The defenses in the top half of the league are all around the better ones for sacks and/or pressures. No coincident there. 
 

What does become weird is that we were middle of the pack in sacks and pressures but in the bottom 5 for 3rd down conversion rates. 
 

We have a coverage issue as much as a defensive line issue if we aspire to have a Super Bowl caliber defense. 

I 100 percent agree. Especially with the coverage issue.

 

The d line sucks- but sometimes they also have no chance as the ball is out so fast cause WRs are running wide open

Posted
39 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Why do you feel like he's done the best?

 

If you summarize the Bills Defence as a whole, by all accounts they were probably in the 17-20 range

 

Where in years past they have been top 5, and if I'm not mistaken I think we're number 1 in one season. 

 

Tyler Dunn had an article.  In our elimination games we have had

 

40 non-kneeldown drives

22 touchdowns

9 field goals

8 punts

1 missed field goal

2 turnovers

166 points allowed … good for 4.15 points per non-kneeldown drive.

 

On D.

 

That's five games.

 

This doesn't include Baltimore walking on us, or Indy lighting us up, or Skyler what's his name for Miami.

 

This is w Frazier, w him as dc, and with this new loser.

 

We had our top 3 or top 5 ds in some of those years.  We had our all pro safeties and prime tre white.  We had most of our cap and our picks spent on the defensive side of the ball.

 

We had our league leading turnover production (or too 3 or whatever) on these teams.

 

How the hell does anyone think Sean MCD isn't going to ish himself again in a playoff loss?  How can anyone be satisfied with this performance?  This is with Allen literally having the best playoff stats of any QB ever on a team that puts its treasure into the d.

 

So yes I think babbich should be canned, his d sucked out loud, but sadly I don't see how it matters.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I 100 percent agree. Especially with the coverage issue.

 

The d line sucks- but sometimes they also have no chance as the ball is out so fast cause WRs are running wide open


I definitley feel getting better production from all the resources, players and effort we have put into that position group woul help the secondary greatly. That’s in part why I, reluctantly, have no problem with them adding more draft or FA capital too it. 
 

We need better players all around is the sad truth. LB might be the only passable group for SB quality. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

First off... If I were to bet, I would bet saying no he doesn't get fired because it was his 1st year

 

BUT... I think it is at least a discussion worth having, and that he will be on thin ice next season.

 

Some stats that are pretty alarming:

 

29th on 3rd downs

Let up the 4th most first downs in the league. 

23rd in passing yards allowed and 8th most passing TDS allowed. (Insane compared to years in the past)

 

And in the biggest game of the year against KC with two starters out in the secondary, I believe Joe Marino stated they played man around 44 percent of the time...

 

I am trying not to make this a Sean Mcdermott discussion, as we get it as it is his scheme.

 

But inarguably, the Bills defence outside of turnovers? Was pretty much a disaster this season and Bobby B didn't have many answers.

 

What do you think about Babich going forward?


He’s not going to lose his job.  Babich is a year 1 DC and it’s not like he inherited a Super Bowl caliber defense.  There were many flaws with this years and everyone knew it.  

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Posted
Just now, JohnNord said:


He’s not going to lose his job.  Babich is a year 1 DC and it’s not like he inherited a Super Bowl caliber defense.  There were many flaws with this years and everyone knew it.  

Ya I don't think so either. But I do think he will be on thin ice if the defence sucks the first 4-8 games or so next year 

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We won’t change anything on defense. It’s been the same thing from day 1. The names change but the predictable outdated preschool scheme stays the same. That actuality is the problem. In 2017 we snuck up on people. Then from the minute of that offseason forward the book was written. Now every single patient or accurate QB shreds us. And I have said this probably 400x…if we aren’t turning people over, we aren’t stopping them. Luckily our QB is generationally great and still beats most teams almost by himself. The issue is when we face a real one with a good QB. We have zero chance of holding them so on offense we have to score a TD on every drive. Something that is as irrational as it is unrealistic. The coach is responsible for the defense and the defense is our yearly downfall. So I ask. What is the ***** point? How many years of Allen’s prime is this guy going to get? All of them? That’s borderline criminal 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I don't think so either. But I do think he will be on thin ice if the defence sucks the first 4-8 games or so next year 


We’ll see what is said at tomorrow’s press conference but I think he’s safe.  
 

What makes you think he’s on the hot seat?  I don’t get that impression at all as the team is realistic about the lack of talent on that side of the football. 

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Posted
29 minutes ago, ghostwriter said:

Still though, he was a prolific DC for so many years, why does our defense suck? It’s like being a baker but you can’t make a cake.


Maybe in his heart he’s a pastry chef? A chocolatier? Maybe even just a decorator? 

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Posted
47 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I’m so sick of this excuse, the Chiefs draft after everyone every year and have built one of the better D’s in the league.  It’s not where you draft, it’s drafting the right guys when you make the pick.  For example, I wanted Dejean this year, the Eagles got a top flight corner and we got two guys that struggled to get on the field in the first 2 picks.

It is hard,  but that's also why I said they need to re-evaluate their scouts.   I agree they need to be better and it's set the team back.  

Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, JohnNord said:


We’ll see what is said at tomorrow’s press conference but I think he’s safe.  
 

What makes you think he’s on the hot seat?  I don’t get that impression at all as the team is realistic about the lack of talent on that side of the football. 

I just think if the bills add in a bunch of defensive help (which I think they will) and if they continue to struggle in the 1st half of the season, then McDermott will start to get impatient. (Kind of like with Dorsey as he only lasted a year and a half)

 

I'm not saying it's all of babichs fault as there are definitely personnel issues- But the results weren't pretty this year and it needs to get better in a hurry

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