Hot Take: Does Bobby Babich Lose His Job?

[tigerthelion]

25 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

agree...for the most part id say the scheme is a bandaid for players that lack skill/athletisicm

Is the Bills brass looking for high end skill and athleticism or are they looking more for game iq?  Seems they value high motor guys over high ceiling guys.

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

In fairness, when virtually EVERYONE under performs, there is reason to question the coaching.

Who underperformed?  Hamlin played probably as good as he can.  He's a nice backup safety. Rapp has been the same player the last 2 seasons.  Makes some great plays, many not so great. Daquan probably got old, his play affects Oliver, Groot was basically the same player as always, the rest of the line are nothing special to begin with. I think most probably played up to their talent level.  We need better personnel. I think it's that clear cut.

[GETTOTHE50]

7 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

In fairness, when virtually EVERYONE under performs, there is reason to question the coaching.

Unless coaching underperforms too then there’s no telling where the shitshow began 

[3rdand12]

28 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

I'm afraid you cannot polish a turd.

 

You can only roll it in glitter (surgical gloves are recommended)

I hate to ask 😂

Edited 20 hours ago by 3rdand12

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Are you looking at one Game here ? Albeit , the most important one

Like for the 3rd down defence? No in total for the season they were 29th on 3rd downs 

[Comebackkid]

6 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Is the Bills brass looking for high end skill and athleticism or are they looking more for game iq?  Seems they value high motor guys over high ceiling guys.

i think last season was a bandaid year for the D...atleast the secondary because they didnt have any money to spend.   

from what ive heard the want football players...not nec elite players..or elite physical traits.   what they need it talent that can stay healthy.

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

The hard truth: the current scheme needs to DIE. We can talk about a coordinator later.

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

First off... If I were to bet, I would bet saying no he doesn't get fired because it was his 1st year

 

BUT... I think it is at least a discussion worth having, and that he will be on thin ice next season.

 

Some stats that are pretty alarming:

 

29th on 3rd downs

Let up the 4th most first downs in the league. 

23rd in passing yards allowed and 8th most passing TDS allowed. (Insane compared to years in the past)

 

And in the biggest game of the year against KC with two starters out in the secondary, I believe Joe Marino stated they played man around 44 percent of the time...

 

I am trying not to make this a Sean Mcdermott discussion, as we get it as it is his scheme.

 

But inarguably, the Bills defence outside of turnovers? Was pretty much a disaster this season and Bobby B didn't have many answers.

 

What do you think about Babich going forward?

What I think happens is this. 

 

Babich obviously returns with the Bills hoping his year will serve as experience to help him get better. Growth mindset. I think not much changes to open the year. McDermott has stated several times he does not want to take over play calling again as it diverts his attention from other things during the game and the week in prep. 

 

But if Babich struggles over the first month, month and a half next year I think Sean would take it back over if/when he felt it was for the good of the team and Babich would then ride out the season and be replaced with a more experienced defensive boss with play calling experience.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Like for the 3rd down defence? No in total for the season they were 29th on 3rd downs 

This stat is so bad …although they struggled all season to get stops and get off the field so not a surprise  …

 

They were able to hide this to some extent given the amount of turnovers they got … but I thought getting those out of Mahomes was going to be difficult ….happy they got the one actually ..

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

The hard truth: the current scheme needs to DIE. We can talk about a coordinator later.

I agree. But the only way the scheme will change is if Babich is fired and McDermott decides to hire from the outside. (Which unfortunately I don't think it will happen. 

[tigerthelion]

2 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

i think last season was a bandaid year for the D...atleast the secondary because they didnt have any money to spend.   

from what ive heard the want football players...not nec elite players..or elite physical traits.   what they need it talent that can stay healthy.

 

That may be a problem then.  Maybe they should be looking for more guys with elite physical traits.  I know, Elam busted, but looking to acquire guys with high athleticism and elite physical traits is usually not a bad thing.  Size and speed are not a bad thing.

[DCofNC]

11 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Who underperformed?  Hamlin played probably as good as he can.  He's a nice backup safety. Rapp has been the same player the last 2 seasons.  Makes some great plays, many not so great. Daquan probably got old, his play affects Oliver, Groot was basically the same player as always, the rest of the line are nothing special to begin with. I think most probably played up to their talent level.  We need better personnel. I think it's that clear cut.

Bernard, Williams, Milano (giving a pass for injury), Miller and quite honestly, the entire line… and 
 

ya know, let’s just do this, Benford and Rapp played well.  Hamlin played to his ability and YET they ran him out there as a starter, that’s nonsense.

Edited 20 hours ago by DCofNC

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

This stat is so bad …although they struggled all season to get stops and get off the field so not a surprise  …

 

They were able to hide this to some extent given the amount of turnovers they got … but I thought getting those out of Mahomes was going to be difficult ….happy they got the one actually ..

Agreed. You know things are bad on defence when we are happy the chiefs went 56 percent on 3rd down this past game haha

[Comebackkid]

i think that in the offseason babbich and mcdermott have a long sit down and review what went wrong and right for the D.

 

I think that next year will be telling beacause after one year Babbich now has a year of playcalling to analyze..I think over all 

that is hard to do within a season.   

I really expect Babbich to be better next year...i have more faith in him than Brady to be honest.

Edited 20 hours ago by Comebackkid

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Like for the 3rd down defence? No in total for the season they were 29th on 3rd downs 

Just felt many of Us have focused on the loss , instead of the sum of the season

But to the points made ? Mentioned elsewhere , Defense needs a kick in the patooty
Some change of scheme , and get the better players to execute said design
McD is too nice about going overboard compensating for weaknesses. God Bless him though. All his players seem to want to do the best they can

Doesnt beat the nasty ole chefs

 its the defense

 fix it McBeanes

[Comebackkid]

1 minute ago, tigerthelion said:

That may be a problem then.  Maybe they should be looking for more guys with elite physical traits.  I know, Elam busted, but looking to acquire guys with high athleticism and elite physical traits is usually not a bad thing.  Size and speed are not a bad thing.

it is hard to do... especially when your picking these guys up at the lower end of the Draft.   some of them are 6-7th round picks. 

or on the back end of their carrrers.   I would take a long hard look at some of the draft gurus that are on the Bills staff though and see if there

isnt maybe an upgrade out there some where.

[Perk71]

NO

[ghostwriter]

McD is the more experienced coach. Why would we fire Babich instead of McD? It makes no sense.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

First off... If I were to bet, I would bet saying no he doesn't get fired because it was his 1st year

 

BUT... I think it is at least a discussion worth having, and that he will be on thin ice next season.

 

Some stats that are pretty alarming:

 

29th on 3rd downs

Let up the 4th most first downs in the league. 

23rd in passing yards allowed and 8th most passing TDS allowed. (Insane compared to years in the past)

 

And in the biggest game of the year against KC with two starters out in the secondary, I believe Joe Marino stated they played man around 44 percent of the time...

 

I am trying not to make this a Sean Mcdermott discussion, as we get it as it is his scheme.

 

But inarguably, the Bills defence outside of turnovers? Was pretty much a disaster this season and Bobby B didn't have many answers.

 

What do you think about Babich going forward?

This entire defense needs a philosophy overhaul. It’s let us down continuously every postseason. Nearly lost the Baltimore game letting them effortlessly drive up the field and getting zero pressure on their last TD throw. I mean idk how you can possibly be any worse? The Bills have a top 5 offense they can lean on while they tweak the defense. They need to get bigger and ditch the nickel. I love Taron Johnson, but they could easily trade him for a good pick or player. Milano & Bernard should be moved to the outside and draft a big Fred Warner type to throw in the middle. Hopefully, Cole Bishop can become that physical hard hitting safety because Damar Hamlin sucks as a starter, I think he is solid depth though. Rapp definitely should be in the future as well. We need a big ass DT also. People keep screaming for WR, but we are still putting up 30 points a game. It’s not a glaring need. Just ask yourself who is responsible for nearly every loss ? It’s the defense. 

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I agree. But the only way the scheme will change is if Babich is fired and McDermott decides to hire from the outside. (Which unfortunately I don't think it will happen. 

Sorry Bud , don't agree here

Babich likely can adjust to whatever and need another year or two really ( continuity fan ) if you can call and coach multiple during the game. I think he can

McD seem to be struggling to shift gears

Better than Frazier ? Sure

 But still