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  On 1/30/2025 at 1:20 AM, GETTOTHE50 said:

Bc the starting secondary did not have many games together due to injury. Plus rasul is older, damar is a second stringer, and Cole is a rookie.

 

Milano didn’t come back till later. 
 

and the defensive line in general is not very good.

 

the defense got turnovers largely bc opposing teams had to play aggressive in order to keep up with JA17 and the offense. 
 

they really weren’t good. 

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Fair- a few posts above I did a comparison from this years talent to last year. I don't think it's that much different to be honest, maybe slightly worse.

 

If you disagree, all good. I just don't think the talent is that much worse than last year, and the drop off was huge in terms of production

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if you subtract the turnovers the defense is bottom 5  Turnovers tend to be fluky especially fumbles  Feels like we were very lucky this season in terms of recoveries of opponent fumbles and our own   

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Time to bring in a defensive guy from outside of the organization, imo.  Get a fresh set of eyes.   Maybe he can also have input on drafting defense because Beane and McDermott are not the best in that regard.   If you believe that McDermott has no say in the draft, you would put all the blame on Beane for the lack of talent.  If you think Sean has input and sway, they both share blame for the lack of talent.  

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  On 1/30/2025 at 1:28 AM, DuckyBoys said:

if you subtract the turnovers the defense is bottom 5  Turnovers tend to be fluky especially fumbles  Feels like we were very lucky this season in terms of recoveries of opponent fumbles and our own   

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  On 1/30/2025 at 1:30 AM, tigerthelion said:

Time to bring in a defensive guy from outside of the organization, imo.  Get a fresh set of eyes.   Maybe he can also have input on drafting defense because Beane and McDermott are not the best in that regard.   If you believe that McDermott has no say in the draft, you would put all the blame on Beane for the lack of talent.  If you think Sean has input and sway, they both share blame for the lack of talent.  

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I agree with both you guys

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  On 1/30/2025 at 1:06 AM, BillsFan130 said:

That's fair- But do you think it was that much worse than last year?

 

D line- Slightly worse this year Cause the loss of Floyd. (But Von had a bit more of an impact)

 

Linebackers- I would say better this year with the return of Milano and Dorian taking a step

 

Corners- Call it a wash. Douglas was worse this year, but benford was better

 

Safeties- slightly worse this year or a wash I would say. Rapp is better than 2023 Hyde/poyer. But 2023 Hyde and poyer were better than Hamlin IMO.

 

You could argue the talent is slightly worse this year than last- But a lot of the numbers this year are way worse, which has to speak to somewhat coaching as well

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defense wasn't great last season either, which is why there was so much turnover. 

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I don't think so? The defense had one horrendous game (The Rams) and a few bad ones (KC playoffs, Lions, and second Fins game) but for the most part the defense was very sound this season. I think the defense just needs a couple of pieces in the secondary and D-line and it will be fine. 

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  On 1/30/2025 at 12:57 AM, klos63 said:

Not enough talent on defense. 

Average safety position, Average dline, below average pass rush , linebackers probably pretty solid with a strong line. 

It's a personnel issue,  mostly. 

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agree...for the most part id say the scheme is a bandaid for players that lack skill/athletisicm

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For the past 5 years that we’ve won the division and been a title contender, the defense has folded like a cheap suit against the chiefs 4 times, Bengals once and 2nd half against the Ravens, providing almost no resistance in those 5 and a half games.  That suggests it’s a scheme problem since most/all the players have turned over during those 5 years.  

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We talked all offseason about how the team would take a step back because of major departures. Well, they did. On the defensive side of the ball. The Bills need more talent, especially in the secondary, but also on the defensive line. I'd be all for blowing up the defensive line and contructing it from scratch, including hiring a new dline coach. I've seen what that group can do, and I'm not impressed.

 

To me, that's the biggest hurdle for Beane to get over. He has invested a lot in the dline and it continues to be below average. He needs to get it right.

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Fact that people think Bobby Babich is the problem is funny. If McD wants perfection out of his scheme maybe he should call the plays himself…. Didn’t he do that and get the same results🤔😂

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I think it's actually pretty simple... we need to be able to attack the QB consistently, a lot of things fall into place after that.

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And the season on the whole, all that turnover on defense, significant change on the line with a new LG and C, WR room significant changes... Beane said this was a transition year, I think if Beane spoke honestly, he would say that at the beginning of the season, they weren't expecting the year to go like it did. We were in the AFC championship game against the 2 time, defending champs, in their stadium, had the ball with 3 minutes and 3 timeouts left to win the game. I think a damn good coaching job by McDermott. One wrong call goes our way and we likely win.  Yes, the defense needs a lot of work, but leave the coaching staff in place.  Brady needs to be better and so does Babich.  Give them a legit WR1 and Edge Rusher , and a solid draft, and we should be great next season.

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  On 1/30/2025 at 1:46 AM, boyst said:

It's McDermotts defense. We have been through too many coordinators at this point not to look at the top of the problem. 

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No disagreement.

 

I would say 2 things:

 

1. Babich did a poor job of running McDermotts defence

 

2. I personally would hire an outside mind. This defence needs a new identify/scheme change

 

 

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I would tend to think not, but he doesn't make a case for good performance so it is possible.  We weren't very good on defense & again crumbled when the going got tough.

A couple of relevant points is how much is this Babich's doing & how much McDermott.  Related, firing him would be a case of do as I say, not as I do.

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There's a lot that drives me nuts about the defense, but nothing more than how often they give up a touchdown on the opening possession with little to no resistance.  They did it in all three playoff games this year and many of the regular season games as well.  I get that those are scripted drives, but it still speaks to having a defensive scheme that is very very predictable, and just frankly a defense that isn't prepared to come out and play from the first snap.  

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  On 1/30/2025 at 12:32 AM, BillsFan2313 said:

McD should forget his scheme and go find his Spags. He can just focus on running the team. 

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I’ve been saying this for months. I kinda see it as McD’s next maturation step in coaching but then he did start to adjust the scheme which I welcomed.

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  On 1/30/2025 at 1:20 AM, GETTOTHE50 said:

Bc the starting secondary did not have many games together due to injury. Plus rasul is older, damar is a second stringer, and Cole is a rookie.

 

Milano didn’t come back till later. 
 

and the defensive line in general is not very good.

 

the defense got turnovers largely bc opposing teams had to play aggressive in order to keep up with JA17 and the offense. 
 

they really weren’t good. 

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In fairness, when virtually EVERYONE under performs, there is reason to question the coaching.

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  On 1/30/2025 at 12:19 AM, BillsFan130 said:

Haha I know, but like I said, I was trying to keep Mcdermott out of it as theres more to it.

 

Babich does call the plays on defence and deserves critcism- Especially with their 3rd down and pass defence falling off a cliff

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Are you looking at one Game here ? Albeit , the most important one

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