Hot Take: Does Bobby Babich Lose His Job?

[BillsFan130]

7 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Seems like everyone is in divided camps as to who to blame. Some guys at work think offense, the others think defense. 
 

Im in the offense camp. This may be a repeated but simplified post, the defense doesn’t get it done for this team. It’s usually 9 out of 10 the offense and Josh who’s winning us a game. The expectation of a low standard was met and exceeded in some way by what fans believed/wanted going into that game. 
 

The offense didn’t. They let a lot of their usually quality execution missed and on the field. 
 

Is it unfair to rely on the offense/josh to do so much? Yes. 
Is it unfair to not make the buck stop at the defense in the bigger picture? Yes. 
 

There’s no game changer on defense. That’s not an excuse but the talent is somewhat lacking, even with Benford in that unit. That’s a front office problem. 
 

There’s definitely one, at least 2 if you count his (Cook) performance in the AFCC and a top end OLine on the offense. Defense is a huge problem but, by season standards, coaching and execution on the offense lost us the game. 
 

 

The offense are the butter for our bread, the hand that feeds, the life-raft on a sinking ship. 

I guess it depends on your expectations.

 

If someone told you before the game that the bills got almost 400 yards of offence and 29 points - On the road against a Spags defence , would you have taken it? For me the answer is yes in a heart beat

 

If someone told you before the game the chiefs got 32 points- Would you have taken it? For me the answer is easily no.

 

That's personally what it comes down to for me

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

I guess it depends on your expectations.

 

If someone told you before the game that the bills got almost 400 yards of offence and 29 points - On the road against a Spags defence , would you have taken it? For me the answer is yes in a heart beat

 

If someone told you before the game the chiefs got 32 points- Would you have taken it? For me the answer is easily no.

 

That's personally what it comes down to for me

And that’s fair. Not saying anyone is wrong and it’s something there’s validity to people who agree offense or agree defense. 
 

This is the question I say to a lot of people though who are so abhorrently against it being the offense. Not saying you’re not btw. 
 

If this falls on the defense then how many games did they win or lose in the regular season?

Conversely, how many games did the offense win or lose?

 

It’s a team sport. You know our weakness. The defense should be better. I will never deny that. But it absolutely comes down to expectations. I went through the game week thread for the AFCC. The vast majority of fans were essentially saying “we just need them to get a couple of stops or turnovers”. 
 

That was many expectations. By that standard request/hope, they did that in the second half. But then the yard stick is moved even further cause they want to blame it entirely on one unit. 
 

Our offense wasn’t great to start the first half but gets a pass. The offense left lots of points on the field by repeatedly forcing a scenario that KC had essentially already dictated wasn’t going to work. The play calling in the final drive involves leaving our best skill position on the sideline when there was plenty of time for him to be a focal point, couple that with two poor throws by Josh and a dropped pass on a blown protection change into a miracle heave. 
 

We need better players on defense or at least the ones we have to show up when it matters. We also needed better offensive play calling and execution and we win that game. 
 

Blame falls on both for the loss imo but offense is the better unit. 

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[BillsFan130]

12 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

And that’s fair. Not saying anyone is wrong and it’s something there’s validity to people who agree offense or agree defense. 
 

This is the question I say to a lot of people though who are so abhorrently against it being the offense. Not saying you’re not btw. 
 

If this falls on the defense then how many games did they win or lose in the regular season?

Conversely, how many games did the offense win or lose?

 

It’s a team sport. You know our weakness. The defense should be better. I will never deny that. But it absolutely comes down to expectations. I went through the game week thread for the AFCC. The vast majority of fans were essentially saying “we just need them to get a couple of stops or turnovers”. 
 

That was many expectations. By that standard request/hope, they did that in the second half. But then the yard stick is moved even further cause they want to blame it entirely on one unit. 
 

Our offense wasn’t great to start the first half but gets a pass. The offense left lots of points on the field by repeatedly forcing a scenario that KC had essentially already dictated wasn’t going to work. The play calling in the final drive involves leaving our best skill position on the sideline when there was plenty of time for him to be a focal point, couple that with two poor throws by Josh and a dropped pass on a blown protection change into a miracle heave. 
 

We need better players on defense or at least the ones we have to show up when it matters. We also needed better offensive play calling and execution and we win that game. 
 

Blame falls on both for the loss imo but offense is the better unit. 

That's fair and I see your points. I'm not absolving the offence as they had a chance to score at the end and didn't.

 

But you did mention the bills strength of their team is the offence. I agree.

 

But the chiefs strength? Is their defence. That's a top 3 unit in the league, and at home.  If it was an average defence or below average, then I would fully agree with you.

 

In regulation time, these are the points the chiefs have given up their last 5 playoff Games

 

14, 19, 10, 24, (bills Game last year) and 7 

 

I think asking 30 plus points in arrowhead is a lot. If you're gonna beat KC, you have to hold them to 24 points or under IMO. As the strength of their team is no longer the offence, it's the defence

Edited Saturday at 06:07 PM by BillsFan130

[Sojourner]

18 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's fair and I see your points. I'm not absolving the offence as they had a chance to score at the end and didn't.

 

But you did mention the bills strength of their team is the offence. I agree.

 

But the chiefs strength? Is their defence. That's a top 3 unit in the league, and at home.  If it was an average defence or below average, then I would fully agree with you.

 

In regulation time, these are the points the chiefs have given up their last 5 playoff Games

 

14, 19, 10, 24, (bills Game last year) and 7 

 

I think asking 30 plus points in arrowhead is a lot. If you're gonna beat KC, you have to hold them to 24 points or under IMO. As the strength of their team is no longer the offence, it's the defence

 

I’m not disagreeing with you or anyone. At all. It’s just we seem to be absolving the offense of failings that actually lost us the game and deciding to lump the whole outcome as a defensive failure. It was a team failure. 
 

Pre-AFCC hypotheticals:
 

Strength for strength. Their defense vs. our offense. Who would you take?

 

Go weakness for weakness. Their offense vs. our defense. Who would you take?

 

 

Again, us losing games more often than not is indicative of our defense. They are out biggest let down. Will never argue against that but you’re talking about a seasoned team that just got fully healthy the final weeks of the season. They can put up points, just hadn’t done 30. If you saw that unit they fielded for the whole year, I’d bank on it happening at least one or two out of the 17. 
 

Put it in baseball terms if we won games on the basis of pinch hitters and closing pitchers all year but they lay a dud in the championship series, it’s acceptable?

 

Basketball, down 1 need a bucket. Our best player that can penetrate or hit a quick jump shot is also a 95%+ FT shooter on the year. We draw up a play that has him drive low elbow for a quick pop. Lane is open and the better opportunity arises. Fouled from behind with no conversion on the attempt. He goes to the line. 0-2. Is it acceptable?

 

It’s a team sport. Our strength in the bigger picture blinked. 

 

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51 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Is it unfair to rely on the offense/josh to do so much? Yes. 

Is it unfair to not make the buck stop at the defense in the bigger picture? Yes. 
 

There’s definitely one, at least 2 if you count his (Cook) performance in the AFCC and a top end OLine on the offense. Defense is a huge problem but, by season standards, coaching and execution on the offense lost us the game. 
 

 

The offense are the butter for our bread, the hand that feeds, the life-raft on a sinking ship. 
 

 

Edited Saturday at 06:26 PM by Sojourner

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