Hot Take: Does Bobby Babich Lose His Job?

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Are you the kind of fan who counts winning quarters?

 

Bottom line, our offense had the chance to win. The defense gave Josh the ball with enough time to win the game. You can run away from that fact all you want. It doesn't change reality.

 

Refs, injuries, Tay Tay, it's always something with us.

Let me also give you a hypothetical scenario: let's say each team got 7 drives.

 

KC on the 7 drives got 5 TDS and 2 FGs . So 41 points

 

Bills on the first 6 drives got 5 TDs and a FG. So 38 points.

But on the 7th drive, they didn't get any points and ended up losing.

Who you blaming more: The offence or defence?

[DCofNC]

22 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I mean who really saw a white CB actually panning out? It hasn’t happen since Jason Sehorn.

Oh I forgot we evaluate on race these days.  That’s got to be the lamest excuse I’ve heard.  I suppose to counter, a white safety was better. 🙄

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Oh I forgot we evaluate on race these days.  That’s got to be the lamest excuse I’ve heard.  I suppose to counter, a white safety was better. 🙄

Sarcasm is a lost art these days.

[Charles Romes]

Should have hired Lou

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Let me also give you a hypothetical scenario: let's say each team got 7 drives.

 

KC on the 7 drives got 5 TDS and 2 FGs . So 41 points

 

Bills on the first 6 drives got 5 TDs and a FG. So 38 points.

But on the 7th drive, they didn't get any points and ended up losing.

Who you blaming more: The offence or defence?

Defense for giving up points on 85% of the drives

[nedboy7]

I don’t think anyone is getting fired.  They overachieved with the roster they had.  They deserve their share of legit criticism.  Like being awful on thirds down D. But a lot these takes are emotional and silly.  

Edited Friday at 01:54 AM by nedboy7

[ProcessTruster]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Lol where in my post did you see me say: "I want Bobby Babich fired".. ?

 

I listed a few stats that showed his defence had a poor year, and opened a discussion whether there is a chance he might get fired before or during the 2025 season. 

 

With all due respect, not sure why that is so irritiating to you as never once did I say "fire him"- As  it is purely a discussion

apologies, I guess I was, in general, addressing all of those on this who randomly call for this coach or that coach to be fired

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, ProcessTruster said:

apologies, I guess I was, in general, addressing all of those on this who randomly call for this coach or that coach to be fired

No worries buddy, I hear you and totally get your stance 

[ProcessTruster]

5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I don’t think anyone is getting fired.  They overachieved with the roster they had.  They deserve their share of legit criticism.  Like being awful on thirds down D. But a lot these takes are emotional and silly.  

agreed.  IMHO, no NFL team is taking down the Chiefs anytime soon, barring a rash of injuries on that team.   they have it all going on from top to bottom .   they're just better than anyone else.  

[billrooter]

On 1/29/2025 at 7:32 PM, BillsFan2313 said:

McD should forget his scheme and go find his Spags. He can just focus on running the team. 

I wish they'd change the scheme, it has cost us in every playoff loss, so sick of seeing receivers running wide open in a zone.

[Jimmy Harris 69]

No way. He is viewed as a mensch of extraordinary power with players. He overachieved as linebackers coach and as safeties coach before that. This was just his first year. He could make his bones by creating a fearsome defense. He needs a few new starters: a safety, a tackle and a def end and a corner. Time to wake up Beane  nap time is over.

[nosejob]

15 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Has anyone been demoted from Coordinator to a lesser role after one season ?

Better thing to do is bring in a Senior Defensive "advisor"

Mentor Babich into a new and changed Defense.

I i was his operation manager , I would get him more tools to succeed. 

 Hey I am not on the inside , sitting in meetings here so have no idea if he is struggling ( dont guess so )
 

Defense needs to switch up how they scheme for the season. Multiples is hard to do. But if you want to definitively change out from the McDermott Frazier Defense ?

 Bring in an expert to lead the way behind the scenes

But much higher on my list ? Is a few more elite players.

Imagine if we had Benford and a shut down quality corner.

Two Edge rushers that each needed extra attention?

Wouldn't that be funner ? ☺️

I sure as f didn't. Ken was a freak show after the "Scene in the Booth". lol

and his lack of depth setting up plays for the next play etc

I know you're right, but I don't have a lot of hope.

12 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

agreed.  IMHO, no NFL team is taking down the Chiefs anytime soon, barring a rash of injuries on that team.   they have it all going on from top to bottom .   they're just better than anyone else.  

Philly's gonna beat the Hell out them.

[Dillenger4]

11 hours ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said:

No way. He is viewed as a mensch of extraordinary power with players. He overachieved as linebackers coach and as safeties coach before that. This was just his first year. He could make his bones by creating a fearsome defense. He needs a few new starters: a safety, a tackle and a def end and a corner. Time to wake up Beane  nap time is over.

This^^^^

Go get us some studs on D. We begged for it last off season while most fans were clamoring on about the loss of Diggs and "we need a WR or 2". Get with it. It's always been our D.

[BuffaloRebound]

19 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

This^^^^

Go get us some studs on D. We begged for it last off season while most fans were clamoring on about the loss of Diggs and "we need a WR or 2". Get with it. It's always been our D.

Not even sure we need studs on D, just more violence and nastiness.  That said, I’d love a guy like Simmons from Tennessee because he’s a stud and plays with an edge.  Our offense plays with way more violence than our defense does.  We need some Mack Hollins’s on defense.  It’s also why I love Dorian.  I’ll live with some of his coverage mistakes because he plays with an edge and brings the wood when he hits you.  

Edited Friday at 02:42 PM by BuffaloRebound

[The 9 Isles]

On 1/29/2025 at 7:32 PM, BillsFan2313 said:

McD should forget his scheme and go find his Spags. He can just focus on running the team. 

they have been knocked out of the playoffs every year because the defence can never stop anyone when it counts. 
 

game on the line this defence folds every time 

[3rdand12]

20 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

agreed.  IMHO, no NFL team is taking down the Chiefs anytime soon, barring a rash of injuries on that team.   they have it all going on from top to bottom .   they're just better than anyone else.  

Lets see what the Eagles think about that ?

That should be a helluva a game. Not going to watch , but still. Both of them deserve to represent their conferences.

Consider The Bills might be the better team next year though. As long as they continue to improve ,and they will it all facets 👍

 Need player upgrades , and use the knowledge of what they learned this year all season long and the KC game.

Some seem to miss the point how close we were to going on to the SB this season. Closest yet. Each year improved.

and yes to the rest of you {lol} I know we lost and that all that matters in the sum of Things.

No major coaching changes please. Maybe add Eric Moulds to the full time list of Coaches ? 

19 hours ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said:

No way. He is viewed as a mensch of extraordinary power with players. He overachieved as linebackers coach and as safeties coach before that. This was just his first year. He could make his bones by creating a fearsome defense. He needs a few new starters: a safety, a tackle and a def end and a corner. Time to wake up Beane  nap time is over.

awesome clip

[Doc Brown]

On 1/29/2025 at 8:28 PM, DuckyBoys said:

if you subtract the turnovers the defense is bottom 5  Turnovers tend to be fluky especially fumbles  Feels like we were very lucky this season in terms of recoveries of opponent fumbles and our own   

That's coaching too.  I remember all the conspiracies about the Patriots not fumbling because their was less air in the ball.  No.  It's coaching.  It might regress slightly to the mean next year but not to the point where we'll even flirt with being in the negative territory with turnovers.  Bills have perfected that peanut punch more than any other team.

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, nosejob said:

I know you're right, but I don't have a lot of hope.

Philly's gonna beat the Hell out them.

I really want you to work on it with me 
 

Go Birds ! Gonna be a Game for sure !!

[Big Blitz]

17 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

That's coaching too.  I remember all the conspiracies about the Patriots not fumbling because their was less air in the ball.  No.  It's coaching.  It might regress slightly to the mean next year but not to the point where we'll even flirt with being in the negative territory with turnovers.  Bills have perfected that peanut punch more than any other team.

 

Which is why I don’t understand all the WGR hand ringing over our success with taking the ball away and not turning it over.  
 

Then it’s luck.  We will regress.  
 

No I think we just don’t turn the ball over AT ALL if Josh keeps INTs in single digits.  

 

Of course punting is a stat to or not converting 4th down.   
 

But we’re pretty well coached regarding discipline.  Yea we take some penalties pre snap.  Every team does.  And with new WRs all over the place this season it was to be expected a little bit.  
 

The refs sure seemed to get on Anderson a lot the last month.  Almost like teams were telling them to look out for him - he’s not so clear on reporting or something like that bc that’s what it looked like.  

[Sojourner]

On 1/30/2025 at 7:22 PM, BillsFan130 said:

Let me also give you a hypothetical scenario: let's say each team got 7 drives.

 

KC on the 7 drives got 5 TDS and 2 FGs . So 41 points

 

Bills on the first 6 drives got 5 TDs and a FG. So 38 points.

But on the 7th drive, they didn't get any points and ended up losing.

Who you blaming more: The offence or defence?

Seems like everyone is in divided camps as to who to blame. Some guys at work think offense, the others think defense. 
 

Im in the offense camp. This may be a repeated but simplified post, the defense doesn’t get it done for this team. It’s usually 8/9 out of 10 the offense and Josh who’s winning us a game. The expectation of a low standard was met and exceeded in some way by what fans believed/wanted going into that game. 
 

The offense didn’t. They let a lot of their usually quality execution missed and on the field. 
 

Is it unfair to rely on the offense/josh to do so much? Yes. 
Is it unfair to not make the buck stop at the defense in the bigger picture? Yes. 
 

There’s no game changer on defense. That’s not an excuse but the talent is somewhat lacking, even with Benford in that unit. That’s a front office problem. 
 

There’s definitely one, at least 2 if you count his (Cook) performance in the AFCC and a top end OLine on the offense. Defense is a huge problem but, by season standards, coaching and execution on the offense lost us the game. 
 

 

The offense are the butter for our bread, the hand that feeds, the life-raft on a sinking ship. 
 

Edited Saturday at 05:42 PM by Sojourner