Mock draft season

[Warriorspikes51]

[SoonerBillsFan]

54 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Meaning what? Bc Elam was a bust the one time Beane drafted a CB in the 1st that means every 1st Round level talent CB prospect from here on out is destined to bust? 

 

You're making Elam and Benford absolutes for what happens when you Draft a CB in their prospective rounds. That's not how the Draft works. And it's literally the opposite of what is more likely.

 

For the record, I'm not trying to pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at CB. But IMO they can't wait until the end of Round 4 to address the position with what's on the roster and who's left on the veteran market. Currently, you need to get one by the end of Round 2.

No you don't.  Football 101, create a pass rush and the DB'S get better.  Benford is allegedly a top 10 CB yes?  Ok then we can do with lesser opposite him if the pass rush is there. 

 

Build the lines first.  The OL is set, DL needs 2 pieces and we can address this with 2 of our first 3 picks.  Now I don't disagree if a guy they like is there in the top 2 rounds at CB you grab him. But say it's a must isn't true.

 

Edited Friday at 07:31 PM by SoonerBillsFan

[Warriorspikes51]

WIN. Our DL overall becomes one of the biggest and most powerful in the league 

Edited Friday at 07:37 PM by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

No you don't.  Football 101, create a pass rush and the DB'S get better.  Benford is allegedly a top 10 CB yes?  Ok then we can do with lesser opposite him if the pass rush is there. 

 

Build the lines first.  The OL is set, DL needs 2 pieces and we can address this with 2 of our first 3 picks.  Now I don't disagree if a guy they like is there in the top 2 rounds at CB you grab him. But say it's a must isn't true.

 

 

I said it in another post, all the DL in the world won't help pass defense if you're rolling out a Day 3 Talent or Jackson opposite Benford with Rapp and Bishop behind them. Just like last year, that ball is going to come out quick and negate pass rush.

 

We might already be in that position now. Relying on a Rookie is not a great spot. But if that's what we're doing, we have to get the one with the highest talent level possible to us.

 

Like I said in my last post, that doesn't mean pigeon hole a 1st Rounder. If the board falls in a way that the Best Available Talent is at another position of need, go there. But you can't wait until the end of Round 4 to address that hole. Going all in on one area of need and neglecting another is a mistake. Both spots need to be addressed with help and with 3 picks in the first two Rounds, can and should be done.

Edited Friday at 09:00 PM by BillsFanForever19

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11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

WIN. Our DL overall becomes one of the biggest and most powerful in the league 

I would love this draft.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I said it in another post, all the DL in the world won't help pass defense if you're rolling out a Day 3 Talent or Jackson opposite Benford with Rapp and Bishop behind them. Just like last year, that ball is coming out quick.

 

We might already be in that position now. Relying on a Rookie is not a great spot. But if that's what we're doing, we have to get the one with the highest talent level possible to us.

 

Like I said in my last post, that doesn't mean pigeon hole a 1st Rounder. If the board falls in a way that the Best Available Talent is at another position of need, go there. But you can't wait until the end of Round 4 to address that hole.

I am with you on BPA for need. DT, CB, DE, WR in that order for me.

 

I do agree, and appreciate, your point on teams getting the ball out fast.  As such I am HUGE on pass rush from the inside out.  Pressure up the middle in a guys face and he has to hold the ball longer

 

 

Btw, I have focused on DT's in the draft.  Who in our first 3 picks at CB do you feel can come in, and say by mid-season, take over CB 2?  I need to study them more.

[LyndonvilleBill]

21 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I am with you on BPA for need. DT, CB, DE, WR in that order for me.

 

I do agree, and appreciate, your point on teams getting the ball out fast.  As such I am HUGE on pass rush from the inside out.  Pressure up the middle in a guys face and he has to hold the ball longer

 

 

Btw, I have focused on DT's in the draft.  Who in our first 3 picks at CB do you feel can come in, and say by mid-season, take over CB 2?  I need to study them more.

I like the idea of Darien Porter. All the physical tools. He is an older prospect,  but maybe a little maturity wouldn't be a bad thing.🤔

[SoonerBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I like the idea of Darien Porter. All the physical tools. He is an older prospect,  but maybe a little maturity wouldn't be a bad thing.🤔

He looks like a solid guy for one of our 2nd round picks

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I like the idea of Darien Porter. All the physical tools. He is an older prospect,  but maybe a little maturity wouldn't be a bad thing.🤔

If they wait until where they sit in round 2, they will be lucky to even get Porter.  They could be looking at worse options at CB by then.  
 

Now, to be clear I’m not excited about trading up in round 2 because I don’t like the idea of trading both 4ths and I very much don’t want to trade next year’s 1 or 2.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

If they wait until where they sit in round 2, they will be lucky to even get Porter.  They could be looking at worse options at CB by then.  
 

Now, to be clear I’m not excited about trading up in round 2 because I don’t like the idea of trading both 4ths and I very much don’t want to trade next year’s 1 or 2.  

I don't either but with where we are picking in round 2 I don't think we'll end up with anyone very impactful this year. jmo gotta find a way to move up with one of the picks somehow someway.

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2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I am with you on BPA for need. DT, CB, DE, WR in that order for me.

 

I do agree, and appreciate, your point on teams getting the ball out fast.  As such I am HUGE on pass rush from the inside out.  Pressure up the middle in a guys face and he has to hold the ball longer

 

 

Btw, I have focused on DT's in the draft.  Who in our first 3 picks at CB do you feel can come in, and say by mid-season, take over CB 2?  I need to study them more.

I'd say Porter at 62 is about right.  Starks can also play outside CB? If we're going DB rd. one, he's the only one if he makes it to us. Could see Emmanwori but

I want Dline first 2 outta 3 picks.

19 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

If they wait until where they sit in round 2, they will be lucky to even get Porter.  They could be looking at worse options at CB by then.  
 

Now, to be clear I’m not excited about trading up in round 2 because I don’t like the idea of trading both 4ths and I very much don’t want to trade next year’s 1 or 2.  

I disagree. Our 2026 1st rd. 29-32 is better ofF spent to maybe not only move us up a bit in the 2nd ,but also get us a 3rd. Great investment IMO. Trading back is just settling for less talent. Giving up both 4ths is stupit.

[BillsFanForever19]

8 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I don't either but with where we are picking in round 2 I don't think we'll end up with anyone very impactful this year. jmo gotta find a way to move up with one of the picks somehow someway.

 

I haven't dove into the Draft as much as other years. I'm a little behind right now. But this mirrors what i've heard, which is if you don't go CB at 30 - it's likely that at 56 you're just going to miss out on a quality 2nd Round pick at the position.

 

I agree that from what i've seen, if we go DL at 30, we should be looking to move up a little bit from 56 to address CB. And thankfully, we have the capital to do that.

Edited Friday at 11:32 PM by BillsFanForever19

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I haven't dove into the Draft as much as other years. I'm a little behind right now. But this mirrors what i've heard, which is if you don't go CB at 30 - it's likely that at 56 you're just going to miss out on a quality 2nd Round pick at the position.

 

I agree that from what i've seen, if we go DL at 30, we should be looking to move up a little bit from 56 to address CB. And thankfully, we have the capital to do that.

Well it's a double actually triple edge sword almost. Whatever position we grab first we risk losing two positions of need in the second round. At least guys who could help this year. jmo

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11 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well it's a double actually triple edge sword almost. Whatever position we grab first we risk losing two positions of need in the second round. At least guys who could help this year. jmo

Unless..we go DT at 30. We can still get starter quality Edge and CB in the 2nd. Trade that 26 1st! move up on one of those 2nds and get us a 3rd.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well it's a double actually triple edge sword almost. Whatever position we grab first we risk losing two positions of need in the second round. At least guys who could help this year. jmo

 

How do you figure? 

 

You take a need at 30. In the case of this discussion, let's say it's DT over CB. And let's say the board is falling in a way that 56 is just a tad low for CB. Well, you could trade 56 and 109 in Round 4 and move up 10 picks to 46. And you'd still have 62 in Round 2 and 132 in Round 4 as well.

 

We have 7 picks on Day 3 and 10 picks in total. 10 players aren't making this roster. You can move up in Round 2 without sacrificing the other pick.

[TheBeaneBandit]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

How do you figure? 

 

You take a need at 30. In the case of this discussion, let's say it's DT over CB. And let's say the board is falling in a way that 56 is just a tad low for CB. Well, you could trade 56 and 109 in Round 4 and move up 10 picks to 46. And you'd still have 62 in Round 2 and 132 in Round 4 as well.

 

We have 7 picks on Day 3 and 10 picks in total. 10 players aren't making this roster. You can move up in Round 2 without sacrificing the other pick.

If we stay pat. I'm actually 100% on board with your plan. I think we need to move up to ensure we get a second guy that can help this year for sure. What I'm saying is the positions we need are gonna fly off the board quick. What we need are the deepest positions in the draft and every team knows this and wants them too. Pick 62 and after are gonna be much lower odds to help our most needed spots. 

[Special K]

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Special K said:

 

Grant, Hairston, and Alexander as first picks makes sense, but Savion Williams is a Chiefs-ish pick that should be dealt with...

[Special K]

22 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Grant, Hairston, and Alexander as first picks makes sense, but Savion Williams is a Chiefs-ish pick that should be dealt with...

 

I would absolutely love those first three picks.

[Richard Noggin]

7 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

I would absolutely love those first three picks.

 

Agreed, but Williams is a Rice-ish pick at WR that doesn't really help the Bills unless they're willing to redesign the offense for a movement WR...