Gunner's 2025 Mock Draft - v1.0

[Mat68]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As I said to @Bill from NYC above I love Nolen. I'd take him. My reasons for thinking the Bills would go Harmon in this scenario are:

 

1. Length. I know they took Ed Oliver who has shorter arms but generally long arms is something they look for and given they are looking for a guy to pair with Ed I think another shorter armed guy is unlikely to be where they go. Harmon has freakishly long arms. 

 

2. I think Harmon right now is the better player at absorbing double teams and preventing offensive lineman from being able to get to the next level and get hands on a linebacker. The Bills are big on that from their D Tackles.

 

3. I think he is more consistent with his leverage than Nolen who can have issues letting olinemen get under his pad level and becoming a bit upright. Harmon's fundamentals are just a bit more consistent.

It is not as easy as finding a solid DT in college.  It’s who fits best in Buffalo.  With Oliver at 3 tech the need is to play Daquan Jones position. Size length and leverage.  Harmon is on the short list, I would add Walter from Kentucky.  A mountain of human.  I think Size in the interior, athleticism in the secondary and versatility on the edge are the targets for me.  With how deep Dline is I wouldn't be surprised if secondary was the first pick.  Whether that is corner or Safety. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I’d like these picks more if Brandon Beane had an eye for DL talent. 

[wppete]

😂 there is no way Sanders goes #1 overall and not in the top 10z lots of chatter that teams dont have him in the first tound. 

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

So it sounds like he is more plug and play year one, but what about upside? I am not nit picking, just seeking to understand the whole picture. Are their upsides similar?

 

I think Nolen's upside is higher personally. That isn't to say Harmon can't be a really good player, he can. I'm probably a bit higher than the consensus on Nolen at this point but I think teams will like him more than the talking heads.

5 minutes ago, wppete said:

😂 there is no way Sanders goes #1 overall and not in the top 10z lots of chatter that teams dont have him in the first tound. 

 

There will definitely be teams that don't have Sanders as a first round grade. I haven't graded the Quarterbacks yet, but based on what I saw watching Colorado a couple of times the past two years I'd be surprised if I have a 1st on him. But I think he is going top 6 at worst. I'd be amazed if at least two of Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas and New York don't take Quarterbacks

[Bray Wyatt]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Nolen's upside is higher personally. That isn't to say Harmon can't be a really good player, he can. I'm probably a bit higher than the consensus on Nolen at this point but I think teams will like him more than the talking heads.

 

Interesting. I know the common refrain has been Beane doesnt find any studs just solid guys in the draft (I am in that camp). I want him swinging for the fences this draft. It would seem your mock draft is based on Beane's previous line of thinking (which what else would you have to go off of haha) but I want him to change his MO up

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

It is not as easy as finding a solid DT in college.  It’s who fits best in Buffalo.  With Oliver at 3 tech the need is to play Daquan Jones position. Size length and leverage.  Harmon is on the short list, I would add Walter from Kentucky.  A mountain of human.  I think Size in the interior, athleticism in the secondary and versatility on the edge are the targets for me.  With how deep Dline is I wouldn't be surprised if secondary was the first pick.  Whether that is corner or Safety. 

 

Yea that's true and I just think Oliver and Nolen might be too similar for the Bills tastes. I'd be really surprised if they wanted two shorter armed DTs together in the middle. Both Nolen and Harmon played more as 3Ts at the college level but I think Harmon is the safer projection to be a 1T in the NFL. Even though, having said that, Nolen is a beast of a run defender. 

 

I'm less high on Walker from Kentucky. While he is massive I don't love his game. Round 3 earliest for me. 

[julian]

Man, it’s so depressing picking this late in the draft every year, all you can do is cross your fingers and hope you get TJ Watt type of luck with these late picks.

 

 Max Crosby almost seems crucial at this moment, maybe the further away from Sunday’s game we get the more hopeful I’ll become with the upcoming draft.

[Sojourner]

@GunnerBill
 

If we can get Bond at 62?!? Sign me up!!!!

 

to me, I he’s going to shoot up the draft boards after the combine and his pro day unless the injuries well and truly hold him back, which they should. His speed and route running is going to be too palpable for a team in need of that style of WR. 
 

Im hoping one of those guys in the 20s drops down to us. 

Egbuka, Barron, Revel and Stewart all look to be quality players at positions we need. 
Realistically? They won’t. I can see all of them bouncing around boards to the teens and mid 20s. Not to 30 sadly. 
 

If Sawyer is available at 53, make the move up if you can. It shouldn’t cost you much to move up only 4 spots. We can have two Pickering, Ohio boys together in Carter and him lol

[Lothar]

Where does Deone Walker rank among the 1Ts? Supposed to be very large and quick for his size, apparently showing it at the Senior Bowl. (Edit: Sorry, I see your comment that you weren't too impressed - could you elaborate?)

 

Also, I think it's fortunate that DL is a strength in this draft and OL a relative weakness. We should be set on that side of the trench.

Edited yesterday at 04:47 PM by Lothar

[jaybeezee]

Im on board only if we make a trade for a true #1 WR type then. No more projects in any of the first 3 rounds. We need studs, not guys that we hope will develop in 2- years. We already have those types (see Coleman, Groot, Epenesa).

[Mikie2times]

Mason Graham is just an animal 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Lothar said:

Where does Deone Walker rank among the 1Ts? Supposed to be very large and quick for his size, apparently showing it at the Senior Bowl. (Edit: Sorry, I see your comment that you weren't too impressed - could you elaborate?)

 

Also, I think it's fortunate that DL is a strength in this draft and OL a relative weakness. We should be set on that side of the trench.

 

Pad level and hands are the two big concerns I have. His hand technique is sloppy and he plays too upright other than in short yardage when it becomes a point of emphasis and he really focuses on getting in low. I also think the proliferation of outside zone run scheme in the NFL make him pretty easy to attack because once he has to move laterally, it's game off. Agree he is quicker than you'd expect at his size once he is getting up the field. But make him move laterally he struggles big time. 

[RyanC883]

Love the first-round pick for the Bills, but in the 2nd, not going after another Edge who likely underproduces with our 1st pick, and then taking another #2 WR in Bond.  I'm going after Tre Harris with the first second round pick, then taking the DE from BC (Ezeiruaku) with the later 2nd round pick.  

2 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

well done.this draft and maxx crosby would be golden

 

if we get Crosby, no need for another edge, IMO.  Take Amos (CB) at some point, and a WR with the first pick, even if we need to trade up.  

[zow2]

It all looks good except the Bills won’t have a 1st round pick.  They will trade it in the Myles Garrett deal to bring him here.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Love the first-round pick for the Bills, but in the 2nd, not going after another Edge who likely underproduces with our 1st pick, and then taking another #2 WR in Bond.  I'm going after Tre Harris with the first second round pick, then taking the DE from BC (Ezeiruaku) with the later 2nd round pick.  

 

 

 

That would be another way of doing it, sure. My worry a bit on Tre to the Bills is I don't think he has that explosiveness you'd look for. I prefer him as a prospect to Keon Coleman but I think if you are running the two of them out there as your outside receivers you really lack an over the top threat. He is a better route runner than Keon, no doubt, and he can separate. I have a higher grade on him than I did Keon a year ago, I just think he is more possession receiver than an explosive guy. Somehow the Bills need some explosiveness.

 

[SoCal Deek]

It just occurred to me what looks so different about this First Round. Only two guys from Alabama and both are in the bottom third of the round. 

[corta765]

I have really wondered if the Bengals trade down and add more picks. I think Higgins walks but they need an infusion of talent on defense badly and it feels like they try to solve more problems rather then just taking a WR even if Higgins goes. The issue for CIN was not offense and Burrow can raise the floor for younger or lesser FA WR, like BUF this last year they really need to restock the defense if their goal is to get back with BAL.

[Beast]

Ugh….it’s that time again.

 

Nice post. I am still in the corner licking my nuts. I’ll get with it in a couple weeks.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

😂 there is no way Sanders goes #1 overall and not in the top 10z lots of chatter that teams dont have him in the first tound. 

 

if Tenn or the Browns have him in the first he's going top 2.  If not, the Giants will take him.

 

There is no chance he falls out of the top 5 unless there is some bombshell before the draft.

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I have really wondered if the Bengals trade down and add more picks. I think Higgins walks but they need an infusion of talent on defense badly and it feels like they try to solve more problems rather then just taking a WR even if Higgins goes. The issue for CIN was not offense and Burrow can raise the floor for younger or lesser FA WR, like BUF this last year they really need to restock the defense if their goal is to get back with BAL.

 

Cincy traditionally trades very little. I think something like 18 draft day trades since 1990. I would expect them to stay and pick.

37 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It just occurred to me what looks so different about this First Round. Only two guys from Alabama and both are in the bottom third of the round. 

 

Yep. Occured to me putting it together too.