Gunner's 2025 Mock Draft - v1.0

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

I can't find measurements anywhere so maybe won't know until the combine but I keep seeing that Tyliek has short arms. IMO that's the main reason Oliver disappears in big moments, if he doesn't get a great jump he's easily held at bay. Love Tyliek's size but if he's under 32" arm length I might be out. Open to hearing from more people in the know on that though, because he's highly intriguing to me. Almost a perfect fit at #30 otherwise.

 

He is too one dimensional for me to want him in round 1. I think he offers almost zero pass rush. I just don't think that is a round 1 pick even if you need a 1T. I agree arm measurement at the combine matters for his draft stock too. If he was on the board at the end of round two I might be persuadable. But at #30, no way, whether his arms are long or short.

[Bill from NYC]

GB, how much of an impact do you think this game had on Jalen Milroe's draft status? I for one think that even in a weak QB class, his stock went drastically lower. I am not, nor was I ever a fan of his as a quarterback. I have seen him projected as an early first round pick and I just don't get it. I wouldn't take him in the third or even fourth round.

[DJB]

13 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

Just FYI re: the Steelers, earlier today I heard one of the local guys discussing how much time Tomlin was spending with the dline. He was basically leading the drills etc. He thought it stood out enough to consider the dline a highly likely pick for them, possiblyone high and one later. The guy was from steelersnow.com but I didn't see an article about the senior bowl yet. 

 

Found it. https://steelersnow.com/saunders-what-we-learned-about-steelers-offseason-plans-at-senior-bowl/

 

Thanks for that info. Dline in round 2 makes sense for them as they have a desperate need for a WR and likely do that round 1

[quincy]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Personally I am less obsessed with getting a huge guy but they would be the names if you are.

 

 

Thanks, do you believe that our DL as a whole is undersized?

 

Narrative being we are undersized at DL and LB and have no athletes at DB although Bishop has a 9.88 RAS.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, quincy said:

 

Thanks, do you believe that our DL as a whole is undersized?

 

Narrative being we are undersized at DL and LB and have no athletes at DB although Bishop has a 9.88 RAS.

 

No, I don't. But I don't think it has, Ed excepted, the explosiveness I would want as a trade off for being on the smaller side. I think if you are going smaller you want to trade off to be explosion and speed and right now it isn't - neither at DL or at LB - and that is the issue. In the secondary Benford and Bishop are both decent athletes, less so Rapp, Douglas and Hamlin. The problem for Bishop is he can't cover a stationary object at this point and so he needs a lot of work to be ready to be a full time starter. Maybe the game slows down for him this offseason and he can come out and look like a different player. But right now the only use for him is as a full time "big nickel" or dime look box safety. 

31 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

GB, how much of an impact do you think this game had on Jalen Milroe's draft status? I for one think that even in a weak QB class, his stock went drastically lower. I am not, nor was I ever a fan of his as a quarterback. I have seen him projected as an early first round pick and I just don't get it. I wouldn't take him in the third or even fourth round.

 

I haven't watched the Senior Bowl yet. Finished the Shrine Bowl last night and about to write it up, will get to the Senior Bowl at some point this week. I know you have never been a Milroe guy. I really don't have a strong opinion on him, these days with the Bills not needing one I do the Quarterbacks last in my e v a l process, but my instinct from watching a few 'Bama games the past couple of years is he is a mid-round pick. The problem is, as you say, this is a really thin QB class. I think it might be a year where true draftable grades it will be like 5 or 6 guys at best. And there are lots of teams who need one.....

[Bill from NYC]

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No, I don't. But I don't think it has, Ed excepted, the explosiveness I would want as a trade off for being on the smaller side. I think if you are going smaller you want to trade off to be explosion and speed and right now it isn't - neither at DL or at LB - and that is the issue. In the secondary Benford and Bishop are both decent athletes, less so Rapp, Douglas and Hamlin. The problem for Bishop is he can't cover a stationary object at this point and so he needs a lot of work to be ready to be a full time starter. Maybe the game slows down for him this offseason and he can come out and look like a different player. But right now the only use for him is as a full time "big nickel" or dime look box safety. 

 

I haven't watched the Senior Bowl yet. Finished the Shrine Bowl last night and about to write it up, will get to the Senior Bowl at some point this week. I know you have never been a Milroe guy. I really don't have a strong opinion on him, these days with the Bills not needing one I do the Quarterbacks last in my e v a l process, but my instinct from watching a few 'Bama games the past couple of years is he is a mid-round pick. The problem is, as you say, this is a really thin QB class. I think it might be a year where true draftable grades it will be like 5 or 6 guys at best. And there are lots of teams who need one.....

I'm no expert but I think that this is one of the worst drafts I have seen in a very long time. There does however seem to be plenty of tight ends, and the Bills don't have a need at that position. 

 

Btw where do you see Jaxon Dart going? I think that he will be a good QB in the NFL.  

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm no expert but I think that this is one of the worst drafts I have seen in a very long time. There does however seem to be plenty of tight ends, and the Bills don't have a need at that position. 

 

Btw where do you see Jaxon Dart going? I think that he will be a good QB in the NFL.  

 

It is one of the worst QB drafts I think that is for sure. Defensive tackle is where the strength of this draft is and there is a good edge rush group too. 

 

Think it is weak all around on offense. Worst receiver class in a very long time (maybe back to the Laquan Tredwell, Corey Coleman draft whenever that was?). There are a handful of good offensive linemen early but not a lot of NFL left tackles among them and the deoth drops off quickly. I think quite a few college left tackles who you will have to try and make guards or right tackles in the pros. Running back classes are all much of a muchness in recent years. Yea there are 3 or 4 decent tight ends - haven't got into the depth of that group yet.

 

EDIT: on Dart I will have to reserve my opinion on that one too at this stage. He is one of the 5 or 6 I think are draftable based on tv viewing. Possibly day 2, maybe day 3 but that is a gut reaction more than a considered view.

Edited Sunday at 01:06 PM by GunnerBill

[4BillsintheBurgh]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

Thanks for that info. Dline in round 2 makes sense for them as they have a desperate need for a WR and likely do that round 1

I think you're assuming something happens with Pickens. I think the Steelers track record is to see if the he get it headed in the right direction by camp and if not they find a trade partner at some point. Tomiln talked about him needing to mature, etc after the season. One of the reasons it's so tough to do mocks at this point.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

GB, how much of an impact do you think this game had on Jalen Milroe's draft status? I for one think that even in a weak QB class, his stock went drastically lower. I am not, nor was I ever a fan of his as a quarterback. I have seen him projected as an early first round pick and I just don't get it. I wouldn't take him in the third or even fourth round.

Yeah, I think he was getting overhyped in bad qb class. I’m sure some is trying to talk themselves into if they can harass his talents, he could be a poor mans Hurts. He had some decent moments at Bama but I don’t see it. Plus, I think he has tiny hands. He won’t be drafted until at least the 3rd. 
 

 

[OldTimer1960]

Thank you Gunner for the thorough and detailed analysis and projections.  I love reading your insights.  Preface my comments with I am not anywhere near as good at understanding what I see on game cut-ups as you and a few others here.

 

Harmon seems to be getting a lot of buzz and I think DT is a big need.
 

 I totally agree that a DE is a huge need and I expect they will take one with one of their first 3 picks.  My mental picture of Tuimoloau is a good run defending edge - does he offer enough pass rush ability (developed or even upside) to be more than just a body in their rotation?  How does JT compare to AJ Epenesa before the Bills made Epenesa drop a bunch of weight?

 

I admit that I am just down overall on the WR class (and maybe without reason).  With Isaiah Bond, I really wonder why he didn’t produce more with Ewers and Manning at QB.  Whenever I tuned in to a Texas game to see him, he seemed to be in hiding.  For his speed and quickness with a good team, 34 catches leaves me a little worried especially given he totaled 2 catches for 30 yards in his last 4 games (Texas A&M, Georgia, Arizona State, Ohio State).  Late 2nd seems ok, I guess.

[Magox]

11 hours ago, colin said:

 

The way that guy looked in those drills reminded me of Terrell Owens.

 

TO was unique in that he ran all his routes full speed.  Helmet would go over his eyes, head leaning way forward over his front foot, most coaches think of that as a mistake, but he made it work.

 

TO also had real hands issues early, lots of drops often from the in a hurry way he always played.

 

This guy might amount to jack, but that's who he reminds me of

For me his comp is Tyreek Hill.   His explosiveness and speed will be right at the top in the league, his game day speed matches his timed and track speed.

 

He has the ability to run some routes very well and I could envision him his rookie year not just being some guy who primarily runs go sort of routes but he could be used in the screen game.   
 

He attacks defenses with violence and if he gets through one seam or breaks a tackle siyonara, he’s off to the races.

 

Bills like to play a lot of the 4 X 1 formations, more so than any team in the league I believe and Amari would be the 1 isolated on the outside.

 

This usually on man to man coverages forces either a 1 on 1 with the DB or draws a safety to help with the over the top passes, he’s the sort of guy that could excel on those sort of plays.

 

Tyreek Hill was very raw and had drop issues himself coming out of college.

 

A guy with this sort of ability would not be around with a top pick if he didn’t have drop issues.   It’s a bit of a gamble but I think the potential upside justifies it.

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm no expert but I think that this is one of the worst drafts I have seen in a very long time. There does however seem to be plenty of tight ends, and the Bills don't have a need at that position. 

 

Btw where do you see Jaxon Dart going? I think that he will be a good QB in the NFL.  

I think Dart makes a pre-draft rise similar to Bo Nix last year.

Edited Sunday at 03:18 PM by Coach Tuesday

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

maybe back to the Laquan Tredwell, Corey Coleman draft whenever that was

Excuse me.

 

we call that the Shaq Lawson, Reggie Ragland, Adolphus Washington draft around these parts.

The REXIT draft.

[Einstein]

Sanders is the most polarizing player I can remember. 

Ive seen people say he is going #1 overall (like this mock), and others say he may fall out of the 1st round altogether (like one recent NFL executive said).

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Sanders is the most polarizing player I can remember. 

Ive seen people say he is going #1 overall (like this mock), and others say he may fall out of the 1st round altogether (like one recent NFL executive said).

As Gunner pointed out, this draft isn’t great for QBs and neither is Sanders imo. 
 

He’s a decent player but serious questions whether his game can be at a high level in the pros. Especially for a guy you need to turn around a franchise. 
 

His awareness is terrible at times and when you couple that with average arm strength, poor decision making and poor anticipation on throws, I wonder if he will even work. 
 

Not saying he won’t but he has a huge uphill battle to get things right. The Sanders name and the spotlight he brought to Colorado moved him to the conversation. He’s as much of a project as the other guys after Cam Ward. 
 

In essence, you’re buying the name and hoping he’s like his father and shines in the biggest moment. Don’t see it personally but for whoever drafts him, I hope myself and the many others who see it that way are wrong. 

[MikePJ76]

Great Job GunnerBill.

 

Count me in on all the defensive lineman we can get.  Dane Brugler had Kenneth Grant going 32 to KC in his first mock.  If He fell to Buffalo they would surely take him right?

 

Also my friends son is on the Oregon staff.  I will ask her to ask him about derrick harmon and see what feedback I get.

Edited Sunday at 06:15 PM by MikePJ76

[Sojourner]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

Great Job GunnerBill.

 

Count me in on all the defensive lineman we can get.  Dane Brugler had Kenneth Grant going 32 to KC in his first mock.  If He fell to Buffalo they would surely take him right?

As of right now, they better sprint to the podium if he’s @ 30. He was dominant in college. 

[Einstein]

19 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

 

In essence, you’re buying the name and hoping he’s like his father and shines in the biggest moment. Don’t see it personally but for whoever drafts him, I hope myself and the many others who see it that way are wrong. 

True.

You'd also be buying the headache too.
 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Defensive tackle is where the strength of this draft is and there is a good edge rush group too. 

 

Think it is weak all around on offense. Worst receiver class in a very long time (maybe back to the Laquan Tredwell, Corey Coleman draft whenever that was?).

 

Then perhaps we should do the opposite of what we did in 2020. Everyone wants us to trade for Maxx Crosby. Wouldn't the wiser move be to stay put and draft from the strength of the class? Maybe if we had done that in 2020 we'd have Justin Jefferson right now. If WR is the weakness of this draft then that's where we should make our splash FA or trade move.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Then perhaps we should do the opposite of what we did in 2020. Everyone wants us to trade for Maxx Crosby. Wouldn't the wiser move be to stay put and draft from the strength of the class? Maybe if we had done that in 2020 we'd have Justin Jefferson right now. If WR is the weakness of this draft then that's where we should make our splash FA or trade move.

 

Maybe. I am up for making a splash move at both to be honest.