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[HappyDays]

Just now, FireChans said:

Trade the whole draft and Kincaid for DK + Garrett and go win it all. 

 

Remove the Garrett part of it and I'm in. Whatever we'd spend on him, use it on more offense. I've gone fully in that direction at this point. On defense I'd re-sign Benford, let Rousseau play out his 5th year option before deciding if he's worth an extension, and fill in holes with mid and late round draft picks. Score 40 PPG and it won't matter.

[Figster]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah seeing how we came up 4pts short I’d say scoring was a problem. Especially that last drive when it mattered most. 

Don't you think making decisions on where we need help the most should be determined by the body of work throughout the season?

 

Other teams D makes plays. KC stopped the drive with good Defense.

 

You get that right?

[Lost]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Trade the whole draft and Kincaid for DK + Garrett and go win it all. 

 

I like where you're going with this 👍😂

Edited yesterday at 08:10 PM by Lost

[hjnick]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Bills must get Josh WRs who can catch the ball, who can separate, who can run a route tree, who can win vertically!!!!!!

yes we need DL, CB, DE.  But we have been neglecting Josh and WR his entire career.  4 year agos we desperately needed WR, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, and last year.,  We have ignored Josh's needs.  It is obvious we need WR. For the love of God, get Josh a few talented WRs!

 

Personally, I'm tired of seeing our defense get torched on the backend every year by KC.

 

I also think our offense was good enough this year to win it all... the defense, uh no.

 

Spend all your draft picks on defense EXCEPT for 1 receiver in the 2nd or third round...  We need CBs, safeties, a DE that can actually pass rush...

[BullBuchanan]

I hope you like running backs and special teams, because that's what you're going to get.

[colin]

the more breakdowns i watch of the bills d vs baltimore and kc in the playoffs, the more certain i am that our biggest talent hole is in the defensive secondary.

 

mahomes got rid of the ball in 1.7 seconds on average when we played man, and barely over 2 when we played zone.  no pass rush is gonna change that consistently.

 

now, obviously i fade our coaches hard, but in the interest of what i think will work best for the team given who will be calling the shots, i agree with OP that the one impact that will give us our best chance is a top flight outside weapon.  hollins had two back breaking catches on high leverage downs, one was a td one was like 3 yards shy.  if a scrub like that is our best passing weapon vs the champs, then you have to think adding an actual player on the outside will pay dividends.  im thinking trade for dk metcalf, sign higgens, or whoever else is a top flight guy we might be able to get.

 

id' also look to add pass rush and dbs, specifically corner.  I'd be happy to trade picks for a real impact guy at either position.  after that, just fill in the roster with draft picks, we have a bunch of them, and start like 6 or 7 rookies on d if we need to (i don't think it comes to that, we have at least 2 DL, both LBs, one CB and one S on the team, so i could see 4 rookies and one vet).  it's not like we aren't already giving mahomes his highest epa game of the season and his highest success rate of his career after dumping tons of cap and oodles of high picks into our DL and defense in general, and we are already dealthy afraid of losing johson, bernard, milano, von (when he didn't suck), oliver, jones, bernard, and both of our safeties, all of whom have been out with injuries multiple times, so build on strenght and get allen a monster.

 

in short, our d sucks balls even after all the over investment, so let's stop doing that like morons and make the O in a class by itself and just throw bodies at the D so we don't have hamlin and elam and whatever street free agent we usually have in high leverage downs on DL.

[90sBills]

8 minutes ago, Figster said:

Don't you think making decisions on where we need help the most should be determined by the body of work throughout the season?

 

Other teams D makes plays. KC stopped the drive with good Defense.

 

You get that right?

The defense made a phenomenal stop at the 3min mark to give the offense a chance to win. Then the offense that supposedly have no problem scoring couldn’t even get past midfield. You get this right?

 

There is no defense in the world that could shut down a great offense with a great quarterback. All you can hope to do is stop them at the end with a chance for your own great offense and great quarterback to go win the game. It’s about opportunities and we had that opportunity.

[Mark Vader]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

ALL22.  He added one WR diva.  Bills keep 6 WR.  I don't want Diggs and 5 JAGS

John Brown, Cole Beasley & Emmanuel Sanders were JAGS?

[Returntoglory]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Bills must get Josh WRs who can catch the ball, who can separate, who can run a route tree, who can win vertically!!!!!!

yes we need DL, CB, DE.  But we have been neglecting Josh and WR his entire career.  4 year agos we desperately needed WR, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, and last year.,  We have ignored Josh's needs.  It is obvious we need WR. For the love of God, get Josh a few talented WRs!

I feel the main issue we have at receiver is Everyone eats. No one is getting fat!

 

We also need a speed burner. Tyreek Hill type speed. With Josh's arm...

[jkeerie]

5 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

He had Stefon Diggs for about half a season and turned him into a screen WR.  The teams literally mantra is everyone eats.  Why are you not believing what your seeing and hearing?  They have highly drafted talent at WR/TE and they aren't used.

Brady had JaMar Chase and Justin Jefferson at LSU, so I'm certain he is capable of producing more in the passing game with the right players.  I think between the newness and the injuries, the Bills really didn't know what they had this year and were discovering things as the season played on.   Fortunately, the offense is set at every position except WR...so that's where they should focus attention offensively in the draft.  Defensively they need to focus on D line and secondary.

[All_Pro_Bills]

11 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah seeing how we came up 4pts short I’d say scoring was a problem. Especially that last drive when it mattered most. 

Well, when you lose any game by definition you come up short on scoring.  Its just as valid to point out they gave up 4 points too many.

 

What it comes down to is this. They can focus on marginally improving the offense to get another 20 or 30 yards a game and maybe 3 or 5 points a game during the regular season. But with a defense that sucks in the playoffs you're not sniffing the Super Bowl regardless of expending a lot of resources "bullet proofing" the offense. And we'll all be having the exact same conversation next January about how the Chiefs, or the Ravens, or maybe the Texans, beat the Bills by 4 points, something like 35 to 31 because the offense didn't score enough.

 

Here's a fun fact: By my count, if KC's opponents would have scored 29 points in every game during the regular season they would have finished the season at 3-14.

 

 

[Figster]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

The defense made a phenomenal stop at the 3min mark to give the offense a chance to win. Then the offense that supposedly have no problem scoring couldn’t even get past midfield. You get this right?

 

There is no defense in the world that could shut down a great offense with a great quarterback. All you can hope to do is stop them at the end with a chance for your own great offense and great quarterback to go win the game. It’s about opportunities and we had that opportunity.

We hold them to 3 points on their last scoring drive. KC D prevents Buffalo from scoring again. The better D wins the game.

 

Comprende?

[BuffaL0L0k0]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

They also had Beasley who was a great slot WR.  Just admit you exaggerated.  Now, do they need to add to the room this offseason?  Sure.  But then again, I heard a very interesting comment about the Chiefs the other day, about how having Mahomes and his ability to lift the performance of otherwise average WRs they have been able to add a lot to their defense.  Now they of course have Kelce too, but it's an interesting take.  I anticipate we go after a stud WR either in trade, FA, or draft, but it's also true that guys like Kincaid and Coleman need to continue to improve.

Who is Kelce...??? 🙃

[Back2Buff]

4 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Brady had JaMar Chase and Justin Jefferson at LSU, so I'm certain he is capable of producing more in the passing game with the right players.  I think between the newness and the injuries, the Bills really didn't know what they had this year and were discovering things as the season played on.   Fortunately, the offense is set at every position except WR...so that's where they should focus attention offensively in the draft.  Defensively they need to focus on D line and secondary.

 

Brady was not the OC at LSU.  He didnt call plays so he had no bearing on what players were used and not used throughout a game.

[The Frankish Reich]

7 hours ago, Pete said:

Bills must get Josh WRs who can catch the ball, who can separate, who can run a route tree, who can win vertically!!!!!!

yes we need DL, CB, DE.  But we have been neglecting Josh and WR his entire career.  4 year agos we desperately needed WR, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, and last year.,  We have ignored Josh's needs.  It is obvious we need WR. For the love of God, get Josh a few talented WRs!

I can't tell from this ... are you o.k. with quietly improving?

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

We hold them to 3 points on their last scoring drive. KC D prevents Buffalo from scoring again. The better D wins the game.

 

Comprende?

Yeah. The D did its job by holding them to a fg instead of a TD so our elite qb could have a chance to cement his legacy with a winning drive. 
 

I guess it’s hard for some people to see this. But sure poor more resources in the defense and have future playoff games end exactly the same way. Apparently 0-4 is not enough to see this yet.

[jkeerie]

3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Brady was not the OC at LSU.  He didnt call plays so he had no bearing on what players were used and not used throughout a game.

He was the passing game coordinator and WR coach, and even though Ensminger was the OC, Brady was the one credited for developing LSU's high powered offense.  He even won the award for the best college assistant coach.

[Figster]

19 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah. The D did its job by holding them to a fg instead of a TD so our elite qb could have a chance to cement his legacy with a winning drive. 
 

I guess it’s hard for some people to see this. But sure poor more resources in the defense and have future playoff games end exactly the same way. Apparently 0-4 is not enough to see this yet.

I appreciate the discussion. Normally I'm all about drafting good targets for Josh. Overall with the addition of Cooper I view Allens supporting cast, WR's TE's RB's  to be very good. One that will only get better season 2 for Cooper and hopefully Keon Coleman IMO.

 

The Bills need more help on D then O in my humble opinion.

Edited yesterday at 08:55 PM by Figster

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[Brianmoorman4jesus]

6 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

I mean you're not wrong, but the counterpoint is that Beane/McD are incapable of building a championship defense.  I dont know if it's scheme or personnel but Im leaning towards scheme.  They continually spend draft picks and FA cash on D and keep getting the same results.  Our stars on D go missing in the biggest games

We have the players. The answer is remove McDermott from the defense entirely. You are now the HC. A guy like Mike Petrine (example) Is the DC. You can oversee generally but this scheme will not be the horseshit you run. It’s over. That’s the answer. It’s a 25 min conversation and fix