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[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Correct.  It’s wide open imo.  I think defense will be the highest available though.   Would be hilarious to draft a Texas Wr at 30.  Golden is certainly someone to keep an eye on. 

 

I just look at the roster and other than josh.. our best players are

 

Offense:

Dawkins and Brown.  Great to have 2 good tackles because they keep the best player on the team standing up, and make pretty much everything in the offense more effective.

Cook. He's got a lot of the patience of his brother and a really nice 2nd gear to accelerate to the 2nd level.  

Shakir.  Ideal slot WR, plus hands, faster than he looks, and the low center of gravity to break tackles pretty consistently.  

 

Defense:

TJ - Still a great slot defender even if this season wasn't up to his standard

Benford - Emerging player who really took a big step this year

Groot - He had a bad game at KC, and a lot of it was misdirection targeted at him.  I am not going to write off a player from one bad game when there's a ton of film of the guy being our most disruptive player on defense.

Bernard - While i don't think he played nearly as well as last year, and continues to pick up injuries, his leadership is a driver that turned this unit into a better defense than the sum of the parts.

 

Investments at TE and WR the last 2 years haven't fully paid off yet, but i don't think you can write off players in their first 2 seasons either.  

 

The team is going to need a lot more from these players next year:

 

Coleman - the everybody eats philosophy is fine, but he needs to develop a better route tree so he can be more dynamic

Kincaid - the drop heard round the world.  He regressed this year and apparently was injured.  Come back humble and hungry and remind everyone who you are.

Bishop - Athleticism popped, needs to stay healthy and work on communication but i assume he's starting next year

Carter - Played much better before the injury.  Bringing in jefferson and phillips to me seemed to indicate that he wasn't going to be healthy the rest of the way.  

 

I'm not opposed to a WR in the first.. just not sure where the best players are going to lie in this draft and think its important to prioritize adding building blocks and potential pro bowlers.  

Edited yesterday at 03:52 PM by Bleeding Bills Blue

[All_Pro_Bills]

36 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Actually the biggest issue we had in the playoffs was throwing the ball downfield. It showed up in the Ravens and Chiefs games. We're asking the offense to execute 10+ play mistake-free drives with multiple 3rd/4th down conversions against extremely well coached defenses. It's too much to ask. Our two easiest TD drives against KC happened because of two big completions to Hollins downfield. We have Josh Allen - that ability should be the identity of our offense, not something we dust off a couple times a game.

 

Beane totally blew it. We were having the exact same conversation at this time last year and all he did was add a gadget/slot WR in FA, and then in a WR heavy draft he took exactly one before wasting his next three picks.

 

We've never made KC punt more than twice in a playoff game. So the standard is set - we need an offense that punts no more than once. We do that, we almost certainly win. Do anything it takes this offseason to have that caliber of offense.

I think its an unrealistic expectation that you're going to build an offense that is so dominant that it doesn't punt in a conference final playoff game against what is usually the better defenses and coaches.

 

It would be more effective to add a genuine WR1 to the offense and then focus on the defense to add a few difference makers that can pressure the QB, stop the run, actually cover a receiver (or at least be in the TV picture when the receiver catches the ball) to produce a defense that can hold the opposition to around 20 points and force them to punt more than twice. And not give up 19 plays of 10 or more yards in a conference championship game.

 

I'd like to stop watching Bills games and praying in front of the screen that the defense can actually make a big stop or big play against a team like the Chiefs or Ravens without having to depend on a turnover or the other guy screwing something up. This defense is the problem, it has been, and it we'll be the reason this team  fails to advance in the 2025 post season unless Beane and McDermott fix the problem this off season.

 

 

[Dillenger4]

47 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

For real, if you aren't going to change a philosophy on D that obviously isn't working, then the goal should be to put up 40 on them and win by 2 scores. That's what aggrevates me about the two bad spots by the refs in the 4th. We were moving the ball with a chance to go up 8. 

Yep, we were moving the ball all right. By inches every down. BIG inches. LOL  what r u talking about??? They stuffed us like a good D does. We need to do the same and upgrade our D bigtime.

Stud CB

New Safety

2 new stud DL/Edge.

This is what is going down. bank it.

[Pete]

8 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN!!! WE NEED DEFENSE!!!!! replacing Amari..ok i understand... but that's it. DEFENSE   DEFENSE    DEFENSE!!!

MIC DROP

Which unit failed us with over 3 minutes, and 3 time outs, needing only a FG, but 3 minute TD wins the game.  Which unit failed us?

of course we need D too.  I’m just asking for 2 speedy WR.  We have plenty of picks, and we have cap room.

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:57 PM by Pete

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I just look at the roster and other than josh.. our best players are

 

Offense:

Dawkins and Brown.  Great to have 2 good tackles because they keep the best player on the team standing up, and make pretty much everything in the offense more effective.

Cook. He's got a lot of the patience of his brother and a really nice 2nd gear to accelerate to the 2nd level.  

Shakir.  Ideal slot WR, plus hands, faster than he looks, and the low center of gravity to break tackles pretty consistently.  

 

Defense:

TJ - Still a great slot defender even if this season wasn't up to his standard

Benford - Emerging player who really took a big step this year

Groot - He had a bad game at KC, and a lot of it was misdirection targeted at him.  I am not going to write off a player from one bad game when there's a ton of film of the guy being our most disruptive player on defense.

Bernard - While i don't think he played nearly as well as last year, and continues to pick up injuries, his leadership is a driver that turned this unit into a better defense than the sum of the parts.

 

Investments at TE and WR the last 2 years haven't fully paid off yet, but i don't think you can write off players in their first 2 seasons either.  

 

The team is going to need a lot more from these players next year:

 

Coleman - the everybody eats philosophy is fine, but he needs to develop a better route tree so he can be more dynamic

Kincaid - the drop heard round the world.  He regressed this year and apparently was injured.  Come back humble and hungry and remind everyone who you are.

Bishop - Athleticism popped, needs to stay healthy and work on communication but i assume he's starting next year

Carter - Played much better before the injury.  Bringing in jefferson and phillips to me seemed to indicate that he wasn't going to be healthy the rest of the way.  

 

I'm not opposed to a WR in the first.. just not sure where the best players are going to lie in this draft and think its important to prioritize adding building blocks and potential pro bowlers.  

That is the million dollar question.  At the end of the day  find the best players possible. 

[Dillenger4]

11 minutes ago, Pete said:

Which unit failed us with over 3 minutes, and 3 time outs, needing only a FG, but 3 minute TD wins the game.  Which unit failed us?

of course we need D too.  I’m just asking for 2 speedy WR.  We have plenty of picks, and we have cap room.

 

 

 

They scored 29 points! gimme a break. And our O was "off" all night and still scored 29 points.

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

They scored 29 points! gimme a break. And our O was "off" all night and still scored 29 points.

not enough you gimme a break

[BillsFan2313]

19 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Yep, we were moving the ball all right. By inches every down. BIG inches. LOL  what r u talking about??? They stuffed us like a good D does. We need to do the same and upgrade our D bigtime.

Stud CB

New Safety

2 new stud DL/Edge.

This is what is going down. bank it.

 

Where was the ball? On our side of the field or theirs? What are you talking about? Yeah stuffed, Kincaid had the first on 3rd down, it shouldn't have gotten to 4th down. 

 

 

 

[ALLinALLEN]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I’d strongly consider adding Tee.  He is the only stud WR available, and it would allow us to prioritize D in the draft.  I still want to use a high draft pick on WR, even if we signed Tee.  If we don’t add stud WR in FA, we need 2 skilled WRs in this draft imo.

Do we have money for Tee? Like we will have money but I'm not sure we'll have that money. 

[ddaryl]

26 minutes ago, Pete said:

 We have plenty of picks, and we have cap room.

 

 

Please show me all this cap room we have, and then tell me how you plan to fill the voids left by the players we do not resign to gain this cap room. We can restrucutre Allen for a little room but we do not have that much cap room. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space


-2 million on the cap with 5 million in dead cap space... so far

Edited yesterday at 04:21 PM by ddaryl

[Sojourner]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

And how did Cooper perform?

Not enough to warrant that 3rd rounder. 
 

Love the character, loved the few catches he made, certainly don’t love when you total that to the value of a 3rd round pick. 
 

I expected better. Sure he was free but with that trade in the coming season, he wasn’t really. He may have a completely different season if he was here from the jump but he’s going to get what? $5-8m from somebody?! Hopefully not us. 

[Pete]

7 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Please show me all this cap room we have, and then tell me how you plan to fill the voids left by the players we do not resign to gain this cap room. We can restrucutre Allen for a little room but we do not have that much cap room. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space


-2 million on the cap with 5 million in dead cap space... so far

My source is Joe Marino.  We are projected to have $15-30 million in cap room.  There are many ways to add more cap room- some extensions are coming

[uticaclub]

22 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Please show me all this cap room we have, and then tell me how you plan to fill the voids left by the players we do not resign to gain this cap room. We can restrucutre Allen for a little room but we do not have that much cap room. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space


-2 million on the cap with 5 million in dead cap space... so far

Allen might be done restructuring without another long term deal. 

[Fleezoid]

It comes down to the WRs couldn't eat another bite after eating all season. Just plain full.

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

 It's been the same thing the past 5 years .  We always need a WR, Pass rusher, and CB.  Beane is horrible in early round drafting.   Better get proven FA's

[ddaryl]

Just now, Pete said:

My source is Joe Marino.  We are projected to have $15-30 million in cap room.  There are many ways to add more cap room- some extensions are coming

I agree we will have somewhere in this range when it all shakes out. How much of that money will be used to replace the players we let go? How much wil be left after we have a full roster. AND how much are you budegeting for a solid speedy WR because the good ones will not fit in after all is said and done. Unless we trade up we will be stuck with whatever falls to us.

It will be alot like last offseason IMO. We will be dealing with teir 2 FAs

Are we going to resign Cooper or let him go ?? Smauel ?? Hollins ??

Are we going to Upgrade our DL or stick with what we have ??

How about James Cook, do we extend him, and how much do we pay for a RB ?

What about S and CB??? I know we will draft some but we need upgrades here... 



Bottom line that $15 million to $30 million isn't a lot when you are resigning your own, replacing players whose contract expired or let go, and have a few needs as well. I assume this number includes projected extensions and cuts.

I just don't see us being able to fill holes and make an impactful top teir FA acqusition without causing some pain elsewhere.


 

8 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Allen might be done restructuring without another long term deal. 

Extension or restructure it will create space this offseason

[Pete]

Just now, ddaryl said:

I agree we will have somewhere in this range when it all shakes out. How much of that money will be used to replace the players we let go? How much wil be left after we have a full roster. AND how much are you budegeting for a solid speedy WR because the good ones will not fit in after all is said and done. Unless we trade up we will be stuck with whatever falls to us.

It will be alot like last offseason IMO. We will be dealing with teir 2 FAs

Are we going to resign Cooper or let him go ?? Smauel ?? Hollins ??

Are we going to Upgrade our DL or stick with what we have ??

How about James Cook, do we extend him, and how much do we pay for a RB ?

What about S and CB??? I know we will draft some but we need upgrades here... 



Bottom line that $15 million to $30 million isn't a lot when you are resigning your own, replacing players whose contract expired or let go, and have a few needs as well. I assume this number includes projected extensions and cuts.

I just don't see us being able to fill holes and make an impactful top teir FA acqusition without causing some pain elsewhere.


 

 

I rate WR-DL-CB as top priorities.

WR wins, because Josh.

DT!  Oliver is a beast.  But I want at least 2 more 1 tech

Beane has had some success with mid tier FA signings.

Josh deal will free up money.  Id extend Cook.  We can create a good amount

Id love to have Mack and Amari back.  Samuels is under contract.  Im expecting a much better season next year.  Then we only need 1 more WR-vertical threat.

S- Cole Bishop and Rapp is good.  We need depth.

CB-major need.  We need CB 2, and CB 3.  Benford had a serious concussion.  Maybe CB 1 too

[RyanC883]

totally agree.  JA has THE WORST cast around him of any QB in the playoffs.  Go out an get Tee Higgins in FA.  Then draft someone in Rd. 2 who is an elite route runner.  Heck, bring Woods back (he can also block).  Bean is to blame for these playoff losses.  I really don't care about the D.  They suck in the playoffs anyway with McD, so build up the offense.  

[uticaclub]

8 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Extension or restructure it will create space this offseason

What if he says no and wants to honor his existing contract? Beane has mentioned that he doesn't want to restructure Josh's contract every year, but he has done every year. This could be a year where restructuring doesn't take place.

[Sojourner]

9 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 It's been the same thing the past 5 years .  We always need a WR, Pass rusher, and CB.  Beane is horrible in early round drafting.   Better get proven FA's

Which is exactly why I’m opposed to them shelling out the cash for the guys on the team right now. Difference makers when the lights are the brightest, just aren’t there to be relied upon.