Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

[Steptide]

1 hour ago, DaVinci said:

I think we should trade another receiver to KC

What about a generational quarterback that's arguably the best qb to ever play? 😉

[HappyDays]

59 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

The biggest issue this team had was getting to the QB and getting of the field on 3rd down.  

 

Actually the biggest issue we had in the playoffs was throwing the ball downfield. It showed up in the Ravens and Chiefs games. We're asking the offense to execute 10+ play mistake-free drives with multiple 3rd/4th down conversions against extremely well coached defenses. It's too much to ask. Our two easiest TD drives against KC happened because of two big completions to Hollins downfield. We have Josh Allen - that ability should be the identity of our offense, not something we dust off a couple times a game.

 

Beane totally blew it. We were having the exact same conversation at this time last year and all he did was add a gadget/slot WR in FA, and then in a WR heavy draft he took exactly one before wasting his next three picks.

 

We've never made KC punt more than twice in a playoff game. So the standard is set - we need an offense that punts no more than once. We do that, we almost certainly win. Do anything it takes this offseason to have that caliber of offense.

[Mat68]

A WR with one of the second rd picks makes sense to me.  Need multiple dlineman and secondary players.  Curious where they go in rd 1.  Could go multiple ways. Safety, Corner, WR, DT or DE.  I think I go defense with the first 2.  Like a day 1 starter at 2 of the 4 spots.    

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 minutes ago, Pete said:

Keon doesn’t play special teams, cannot separate, and is 4 for 11 in red zone attempts.    I didn’t want to draft him, we are stuck with him, he has potential, but we can get more do much better IMO 

 

He's 21, made some pretty sweet highlight reel plays, is a plus blocker, and seems like a team first guy.  He knows he needs to be better, and is definitely not happy with his performance this season especially in the playoffs. 

 

Considering the rotation samuel/shakir and hollins/cooper/keon worked this year - i do think they know they need more at the position.  I also think they know they need more from kincaid and knox.  They need to figure out how to stretch the field vertically more effectively.  

[SCBills]

The Los Angeles Rams run an Offense that requires their WR's to block and are still able to maintain a vertical passing game with outside separation.

 

If Amari Cooper is not that guy any longer, it makes zero sense to bring him back and we desperately need to find a separator on the outside, given we should absolutely bring Hollins back, but that essentially locks in two big body receivers in Coleman & Hollins on the outside that haven't shown much separation ability. 

 

Maybe Samuel, if he can finally be healthy, can give us that on the outside more next year but it's clearly not something we should be relying on. 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Mat68 said:

A WR with one of the second rd picks makes sense to me.  Need multiple dlineman and secondary players.  Curious where they go in rd 1.  Could go multiple ways. Safety, Corner, WR, DT or DE.  I think I go defense with the first 2.  Like a day 1 starter at 2 of the 4 spots.    

 

Pick #30 is... best player available imo.  If there's a chance to find a stud, you probably should take it.  

[Back2Buff]

47 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

I'm not sure if I agree with that.  I strongly suspect that the offense we've seen under Brady is an adaptation to the lack of talent he has to work with at WR.  

 

He had Stefon Diggs for about half a season and turned him into a screen WR.  The teams literally mantra is everyone eats.  Why are you not believing what your seeing and hearing?  They have highly drafted talent at WR/TE and they aren't used.

[T master]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

So the Bills keep 5 WR's on their roster and to add more means cutting short another position, not likely to happen and for legit reasons.  Shakir and Coleman are pretty certain to be back, would cost a fair amount of cap hit to cut Samuel, so likely he's back.  I think and hope they resign Hollins and think he may take a little less money to return here as seems to like it here.  So unless they don't resign Hollins or cut Samuel, that leaves one roster spot.   Maybe they will decide to abandon the two TE concept and decide to try and trade either Knox or Kincaid which then could open another WR spot, but would be surprised if they do . 

 

For all the talk of how the Bills need WR help the offense was number one two in the league in most overall categories so think this WR need is being over blown.  All season the" Everyone eats" was talked about as a good thing and understand the two things aren't mutually exclusive but also need to be careful of tinkering with what did work. The biggest issue this team had was getting to the QB and getting of the field on 3rd down.  

 

If you look at what they got out of certain players through out this season I would hope they cut bait with Samuel . There was a lot of talk of how he was hurt and all that may be but they never did unleash his speed on deep routes which i didn't get . I fell both of the TE's if used in the scheme correctly are and have shown them selves to be formidable weapons but again they need to be utilized as such .

 

Like you i hope Hollins is back when ever he was called on he was money for this offense and just a great team guy and bring that extra juice in certain situations and i love his presence he gets the guys pumped but keeps them lose at the same time if that makes any kind of sense ? 

 

What they had this year was good enough to beat any team i feel if schemed correctly which is what Reid does he's a master at getting the guy she has in the right place to make a play I can only imagine what Reid could do with what the Bills have on offense and seeing as Brady got taken to the wood shed being his first full season with the Bills as OC i believe he will learn to be better which if you think about it could be scary for other teams .

 

Yes they need a sure handed deep threat in the WR room for sure that is the one piece to complete what we have but the biggest weakness is the defense if they don't get some faster safeties, and a couple of CB's and definitely a elite pass rusher we will be where we are this season . Elam needs to go he's proven time & time again he's not the guy which really sucks because a lot of people say he's got the tangibles but the switch is stuck in the off position .

 

Beane will get more players i'm sure of it and it will be better for the Bills future . GO BILLS !!!! 

[BillsFan2313]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Actually the biggest issue we had in the playoffs was throwing the ball downfield. It showed up in the Ravens and Chiefs games. We're asking the offense to execute 10+ play mistake-free drives with multiple 3rd/4th down conversions against extremely well coached defenses. It's too much to ask. Our two easiest TD drives against KC happened because of two big completions to Hollins downfield. We have Josh Allen - that ability should be the identity of our offense, not something we dust off a couple times a game.

 

Beane totally blew it. We were having the exact same conversation at this time last year and all he did was add a gadget/slot WR in FA, and then in a WR heavy draft he took exactly one before wasting his next three picks.

 

We've never made KC punt more than twice in a playoff game. So the standard is set - we need an offense that punts no more than once. We do that, we almost certainly win. Do anything it takes this offseason to have that caliber of offense.

 

For real, if you aren't going to change a philosophy on D that obviously isn't working, then the goal should be to put up 40 on them and win by 2 scores. That's what aggrevates me about the two bad spots by the refs in the 4th. We were moving the ball with a chance to go up 8. 

Edited yesterday at 03:04 PM by BillsFan2313

[quincy]

Is Cooper Kupp actually available and can we afford and want him?

 

Next year the receivers are returning healthy for Baltimore and KC, Flowers and Rice, they will be postseason difference makers.

 

We got to hit at least two 15-30 yard passes per drive in the playoffs next year when it is needed.

 

You feel that Allen trusts Shakir and Hollins and should he be back next year, Cooper.

 

The front office has to give Coleman the guidance to improve this offseason.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:22 PM by quincy

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Im down for trading Coleman to KC.  Use the pick to get a useful WR who can separate

Maybe they will give us Worthy for him???/ 😆🤣

[HappyDays]

20 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

For real, if you aren't going to change a philosophy on D that obviously isn't working, then the goal should be to put up 40 on them and win by 2 scores.

 

Yeah I've been saying this for two offseasons now. Build an offense that can just steamroll opponents all the way to the Super Bowl. That's the only way we're getting it done. Hopefully everyone can see it now, including the people making decisions for the team.

[Mat68]

29 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Pick #30 is... best player available imo.  If there's a chance to find a stud, you probably should take it.  

Correct.  It’s wide open imo.  I think defense will be the highest available though.   Would be hilarious to draft a Texas Wr at 30.  Golden is certainly someone to keep an eye on. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Beasley was a good slot guy.  But we Jake Kumerow and Isiah McKenzie is not a SuperBowl winning WR crew

Beasley, Diggs and Knox is really enough to win with.  You had 3 guys who, when featured, could be 1000 yard guys.   Most teams don’t have any more than that. 
 

As of right now, there’s not enough talent or at least not enough talent being used.  Kincaid, Coleman and Samuel all need to step up big time.  I think Brady is a major problem in that, but I guess we will see how things play out.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I know this would cost an arm and a leg but Higgins would be the final piece of a Coleman and Shakir trio.

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Correct.  It’s wide open imo.  I think defense will be the highest available though.   Would be hilarious to draft a Texas Wr at 30.  Golden is certainly someone to keep an eye on. 

Golden is whom I think the Bills should target.  Right now I’ve seen Golden project 20-second round. Combine starts Feb 27.  I’m guessing Golden rises up fast, and be around 15-20. I read possibly 18 out of top 50 DT picks.  Bills should be most interested in Golden 

[Mat68]

45 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

He's 21, made some pretty sweet highlight reel plays, is a plus blocker, and seems like a team first guy.  He knows he needs to be better, and is definitely not happy with his performance this season especially in the playoffs. 

 

Considering the rotation samuel/shakir and hollins/cooper/keon worked this year - i do think they know they need more at the position.  I also think they know they need more from kincaid and knox.  They need to figure out how to stretch the field vertically more effectively.  

Put Coleman on the field on early downs in the role Hollins had. Attack the seem and the middle of the field with Coleman.  Can use him outside or inside in condensed sets.  Im look to for them to add some speed outside who can play some x and z.  

[Matt_In_NH]

Maybe then they can break the team record for points per game they set last year.

[Dillenger4]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Bills must get Josh WRs who can catch the ball, who can separate, who can run a route tree, who can win vertically!!!!!!

yes we need DL, CB, DE.  But we have been neglecting Josh and WR his entire career.  4 year agos we desperately needed WR, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, and last year.,  We have ignored Josh's needs.  It is obvious we need WR. For the love of God, get Josh a few talented WRs!

NOT THIS CRAP AGAIN!!! WE NEED DEFENSE!!!!! replacing Amari..ok i understand... but that's it. DEFENSE   DEFENSE    DEFENSE!!!

Just now, Matt_In_NH said:

Maybe then they can break the team record for points per game they set last year.

MIC DROP

[I'mBuff]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

So the Bills keep 5 WR's on their roster and to add more means cutting short another position, not likely to happen and for legit reasons.  Shakir and Coleman are pretty certain to be back, would cost a fair amount of cap hit to cut Samuel, so likely he's back.  I think and hope they resign Hollins and think he may take a little less money to return here as seems to like it here.  So unless they don't resign Hollins or cut Samuel, that leaves one roster spot.   Maybe they will decide to abandon the two TE concept and decide to try and trade either Knox or Kincaid which then could open another WR spot, but would be surprised if they do . 

 

For all the talk of how the Bills need WR help the offense was number one two in the league in most overall categories so think this WR need is being over blown.  All season the" Everyone eats" was talked about as a good thing and understand the two things aren't mutually exclusive but also need to be careful of tinkering with what did work. The biggest issue this team had was getting to the QB and getting of the field on 3rd down.  

And when it matters they don’t get separation. Either it’s poor play desire lack of talent or both.